Unreal is popular, but I don't think it has more than a plurarily. It's also not unreasonable to think that Unreal 3 might persist into the PS4/Durango era longer than Unreal 2.5 did for the HD twins, simply because it's a more capable, scalable engine that's already confirmed to be used on some next-gen/cross-gen titles. (Star Wars 1313, Thief 4) Being left behind with Unreal 3 is bad, but not nearly as bad as the Wii's predicament of having to recycle PS2/PSP games.
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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Unreal is popular, but I don't think it has more than a plurarily. It's also not unreasonable to think that Unreal 3 might persist into the PS4/Durango era longer than Unreal 2.5 did for the HD twins, simply because it's a more capable, scalable engine that's already confirmed to be used on some next-gen/cross-gen titles. (Star Wars 1313, Thief 4) Being left behind with Unreal 3 is bad, but not nearly as bad as the Wii's predicament of having to recycle PS2/PSP games.
Holy shit
Uno Venova
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I edited, I just want know know if this is actually the amount of people that showed up, or is it before the event.
dacuk
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Maybe the "trolliness" is an innate trait of being a "hardcore" gamer?..
As for me, this generation will be a repeat of the last one, when one have to have another console (or gaming PC) besides the current Nintendo console to have all bases covered.
Can somebody give Iwata a GAF membership? Maybe he will be able to steer the ship to clearer waters that way, just by reading the opinions here.
Boss Man
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Is there some context to this? Like, was this before or after the meeting took place or something? That is extremely saddening to see.
metalslimer
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Probably everyone in the room laughing at wiiu
BossLackey
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Never understood what Nintendo was doing with the Wii U. You drop your "hardcore" audience almost altogether with the Wii. They all get 360s and PS3s. Then, when those consoles are at the end of their cycles, they give us a system thats designed for "hardcore" users. They burned two bridges in a row and now have no place. What the fuck did they expect? Not to mention the fact that the specs are laughable. Graphics aren't everything, but to think that technology doesn't directly relate to improved games is foolish.
We don't exactly know, but it's the photo which Game Watch placed next to a block of text lamenting about the lack of developer interest in Nintendo's panel this year in their coverage of the Miiverse panel.
GiantBreadbug
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Trolling? I mean, Nintendo is at fault for a lot of this, but these threads run on troll octane.
ChosenPredator
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Holy shit that pic.
Reminds me of
someone should put Iwata face on there
it's nintendo's miiverse conference update thing. because that's important.
Doc Holliday
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Why the hell would 3rd parties give a shit about the Wii U when it's debatable that Nintendo themselves give a shit about their own console.
DragonSworne
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For starters, they could built hardware that actually has high performance. They need to refocus away from low TPD and concentrate on image qaulitym
Once they do that, they can compete against the big name engine developers like Epic and Crytek and undercut them in their market by offering the Nintendo engine free out of the box to all licensed developers.
Foster a familiar development environment and there will be no reason to use unreal or others.
Seems pretty obvious stuff to do.
I think they've finally realized the situation they're in, that their operational philosophy and the loss-averse nature of the company is fundamentally incompatible with how the rest of the gaming industry operates, particular in the West. The way in which they build eclectic hardware to fit their software doesn't jive with developers who desire easy to work with and powerful systems.
In some ways, it's a good thing to have this definite break. They don't have to waste further resources trying to court companies who want nothing to do with them. They can and are working to rectify the problem with restructuring and internal expansion, along with the removal of barriers for indie developers. I think they'll be fine in the long haul, but they really should have seen the writing on the wall when the Wii fell off a cliff and the 3DS came out to a tepid launch.
what, you don't like confused nintendo game compilations 1 and 2, another nsmb, and a remake of the worst 3d zelda?
polyh3dron
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What, you think the Wii U is suddenly going to catch on like wild fire?
Gonzo The Great
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Considering a bunch of onstage seats are empty, no shit. Was the press conference so boring that even Nintendo's own employees didn't show up?
This is the most embarrassing thread I've seen in a long time.
Oh I see. I thought I was enjoying my time with my 3DS and Wii U, but I guess you know better. Anyway, let's not make this thread about you or me. Don't want to get banned again.
jajajaja, o wow
maabus1999
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To point out how serious this is, look at this link, and scroll through the UE3 section:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games
Notice all the developers( among the numerous AAA titles) who are now comfortable with the Unreal Engine tool kit and most likely will naturally move to UE4 for future development.
Now realize that the Wii U may never see any titles on this list starting in 2014 and beyond (if not now with recent news).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games
Notice all the developers( among the numerous AAA titles) who are now comfortable with the Unreal Engine tool kit and most likely will naturally move to UE4 for future development.
Now realize that the Wii U may never see any titles on this list starting in 2014 and beyond (if not now with recent news).
This is different than when he said Wii was 2 GCNs duct-taped together and people had a laugh?
-Pyromaniac-
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Just saw this topic, LOLLLL at "hahaha. no.".
Ice cold but pretty damn hilarious.
Ice cold but pretty damn hilarious.
Well at the pace they're going now they might very well break 1 million wii u's in america this year.
polyh3dron
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You think there is some kind of uniform, monolithic "Nintendo Engine"? They don't use middleware to make their games.
The more interviews / things like these happen, the more I think Nintendo will seriously need to release a "homeled" next gen, an hybrid home and portable device, especially considering that, indipendently from Wii U, Rein, Nintendo, etc.etc. I can't think the "AAA or nothing!" model can be sustained in the long run, and many tears of blood will be shred from developers and publishers.
1. twilight princess
2. majora's mask
3. skyward sword
4. ocarina of time
5. the wind waker
'tis the way of things.
Isn't that what happened with the 3DS though? They were in pretty dire straits with that thing at first.
"Cranky. Very cranky.
Rather sarcastic to boot."
R_thanatos
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I checked my dates and i got confused between the annonce dates(e3) and the western dates when they did take that much time for the jap release.
super obvious
That's what they are probably planning and it would be a good move. The console market is a dead end street anyway.
Dave Meltzer
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What do you mean by "aren't going anywhere"?
If you mean they're not going to go bankrupt anytime soon, I agree. That isn't the issue. The issue is they're not going anywhere in terms of market progression, the market is completely changing and they're being left behind. The era of consoles and dedicated portables is coming to an end, and Nintendo are the worst positioned to be able to make the move. This isn't "lol they're gonna go bankrupt this year", it's rather the long term future of the company is at risk because they're not forward thinking enough.
Iwata is still clinging to a dying business model.
D3RANG3D
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They are remaking SS?
It's silly to think you know another person's preferences and priorities well enough to declare that they must be fooling themselves. I mean, hell, I can get pretty Goddamn negative about "dudebro" games, but I know better than to tell people that they're not really having fun.
Hero of Legend
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Replace Nintendo with Sega and that actually WAS in their plans.
I believe MS was responsible for the Dreamcast's OS, as well as the online, at one point MS wanted to allow DC compatibility with the Xbox.
I don't remember if MS wanted to officially buy Sega, but either way, things didn't go smoothly/Sega wasn't as good as a potential partner as MS thought, so they parted ways on that end.
Where did you read I wrote this? I just wait and see, if it really hurts bad Nintendo or not...
metalslimer
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The situations are not comparable unless Nintendo is lobbing 150 dollars off the wiiu price, and Sony and MS completely fail.
*Developers laugh as the industry burns around them, proclaiming the joy of developing games only twice as expensive* That should be the article title.
But seriously Nintendo needs to just move on from this current group of 3rd parties. It's obvious they are aligned elsewhere for their business needs/wants and nothing Nintendo can do will change it.
Time for them to starting finding the next generation of developers and building their relationship with them, and getting some of those PC exclusive developers to make games for them. I am sure they can be had for a lot cheaper.
But seriously Nintendo needs to just move on from this current group of 3rd parties. It's obvious they are aligned elsewhere for their business needs/wants and nothing Nintendo can do will change it.
Time for them to starting finding the next generation of developers and building their relationship with them, and getting some of those PC exclusive developers to make games for them. I am sure they can be had for a lot cheaper.
Kazuma Kiryu
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that list is all kinds of fucked up.
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