Dave Meltzer
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Nobody has ran their mouth here. People act like the guy stood up and shit on a picture of Iwata-san. He just found it humerous people would think Unreal Engine 4 would be on Wii U.
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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Nobody has ran their mouth here. People act like the guy stood up and shit on a picture of Iwata-san. He just found it humerous people would think Unreal Engine 4 would be on Wii U.
JordanN
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I already covered this.
It's not the industry's fault Nintendo didn't want to play ball.
Hot Coldman
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Haha, no, I mean I can't hate him for being successful. I don't think any of Epic's success is owed to his nature, so it's not like it matters much in the end.
Besides, I've read other comments from him where he seems nice enough.
This thread is only as bad as you want it to be.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Laughing at it and having his buddies/audience all slap their knees and his back is neogaf behavior, not something from a Vice President of a company in the videogame industry.
This guy has a track record too of being an obnoxious asshole.
This is not an isolated incident.
I'm kinda finding it hard to justify buying the next Xbox ever and the PS4 at launch since I have a PC and I don't really care ofr any of the exclusives announced so far.
Its probably going to be 3 or 4 depending on what approach they decide to go with next next.
It really feels like you just post to get Nintendo fans to react to you at times lol.
I severely doubt that, but I suppose if we continue to talk about it this way, we will continue to think that Nintendo is making the wrong decision for not abandoning the Wii U as you seem to suggest.
This is all so messed up, and not in the way most are probably thinking.
Penguins&PolarBears
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Nintendo better have some incredibly innovative outside of the box games at E3.
I don't understand what happened to Nintendo in the last few years. They were doing a great job courting non-traditional gamers with innovative titles and hardware, but in the last few years it's like they've regressed back to the old Gamecube-era Nintendo. I see way too much focus and reliance on their core IP titles on both DS and Wii systems. What happened to Blue Ocean strategy? They seemingly threw Wii U onto the market without any genuinely exciting ideas of how to use the tech. They're focusing way too much on how to catch up with 360/PS3 instead of focusing on how to go after a completely different audience. It really annoys me that they didn't even try to advance their motion control tech in any way.
If Nintendo was successfully recapturing the Wii/DS audience then not having UE4 support wouldn't even matter. Where is the next Brain Training, Wii Fit, Wii Sports? If all they deliver is new Mario/Metroid/Zelda/Pikmin/Smash then they'll only do as well as Gamecube did.
I don't understand what happened to Nintendo in the last few years. They were doing a great job courting non-traditional gamers with innovative titles and hardware, but in the last few years it's like they've regressed back to the old Gamecube-era Nintendo. I see way too much focus and reliance on their core IP titles on both DS and Wii systems. What happened to Blue Ocean strategy? They seemingly threw Wii U onto the market without any genuinely exciting ideas of how to use the tech. They're focusing way too much on how to catch up with 360/PS3 instead of focusing on how to go after a completely different audience. It really annoys me that they didn't even try to advance their motion control tech in any way.
If Nintendo was successfully recapturing the Wii/DS audience then not having UE4 support wouldn't even matter. Where is the next Brain Training, Wii Fit, Wii Sports? If all they deliver is new Mario/Metroid/Zelda/Pikmin/Smash then they'll only do as well as Gamecube did.
epic are entitled to their opinions. their business goals are completely different from nintendo's so there's no surprise their engine doesn't support nintendo's current console.
philosophies are completely different. don't see the controversy here.
what i do find completely immature is the hooliganism in this thread and cheering for epic to 'stick it' to nintendo.
seriously, why are so many people invested in seeing them fail? will you sleep better if they're gone for good?
i prefer to have variety in my gaming. sony, microsoft and nintendo are integral to the health of the industry and i hate to see any of them in any trouble that may impact their decision to remain a major player.
philosophies are completely different. don't see the controversy here.
what i do find completely immature is the hooliganism in this thread and cheering for epic to 'stick it' to nintendo.
seriously, why are so many people invested in seeing them fail? will you sleep better if they're gone for good?
i prefer to have variety in my gaming. sony, microsoft and nintendo are integral to the health of the industry and i hate to see any of them in any trouble that may impact their decision to remain a major player.
Thunder Monkey
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I have faith in you to be a better poster than you have been. To learn, grow, gain humility, train your eye, and temper your hostility.
Don't let me down.
Gonzo The Great
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I hope you realize I was being sarcastic.
Chie Satonaka
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You're talking about a game not an engine. The engine doesn't require any certain amount of brute force or level or visuals, as long as the hardware supports the features the engine supports then nothing needs to be changed. The performance of the console only effects what you can achieve with the engine.
Also no its not good, I didn't say it was, what I said was this was said several months ago already by the same guy..
Hahaha. Have you even worked with UDK before? Let's deconstruct each of your delusions.
Who said it was going to be easy? That doesn't change the fact that UE4 requires a certain baseline of hardware that Wii U doesn't have.
Yes, and that's exactly why the Wii U won't get it. UE4's toolchain requires a baseline hardware. Live Kismet debugging and Instant preview require a certain amount of RAM to function that is far in excess of what the Wii U has.
I love this line of thinking. Let's come back in two years and see if there is a single UE4 game on the Wii U. Not a single developer in the right mind would do it because the cost of modifying UE4 to work with it would be immense.
"very likely possible". No it's not. Not a single developer in the right mind would ever do it. It is relevant, because the Wii U is similar in power to a 360, even if you want to believe hard that it isn't.
Yes it does. Seriously? According to this logic you can port UE4 to run on PS2 and it would function as long as you tone down the visuals.
Toolchains do not function properly on hardware that it below a minimum specfication. It took years for Crytek to port CE3 down to fit on the Xbox 360 and PS3, and in doing so they had to modify their entire toolchain to allow it to work within 512mb of RAM. No developer would do this with the Wii U, the same reason they wouldn't do it with Xbox 360.
Thunder Monkey
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My brain works faster than my fingers can keep up.
You're just lucky I left out a few words. Otherwise this could have been awkward.
yep, this is pretty much what happened. it's not as simple as 'the casual market moved on!' because if they were actually focused on getting that market back, they would have tried making software to bring them back.
metalslimer
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I'm a big Nintendo game fan. The constant conspiracy theories that have developed from many Nintendo fans that the industry hates Nintendo or wants them to die is what is terrible for discourse because how can you have a discussion when people have decided what is going on based on nothing. If Nintendo wants to not be openly mocked they need to change their future. Nintendo controls their destiny and have had 16 years to repair their image and they have not done nearly enough. Now yes some have people being hyperbolically hateul, but Nintendo needs to take control of heir fate
And I don't find that to be a remotely compelling reason why the situation was what it was. "Because it's portable" sure wasn't helping any PSP game outside of Monster Hunter at that point.
I apologize. You did a good job walking that fine line. XD
Hot Coldman
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Is that Wii Fit U even still coming out? I kinda hope not, I don't think they'll get far with that one.
its ok,e3 is coming.....
(with every media in the world running to cover ps4/xboxnext)
Dave Meltzer
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I don't think he did anything obnoxious here. It's all in how it's reported.
The other side isn't much better, in some cases.
not_so_special
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also the price affects the console,but its still a good gamepad with some problems ( battery life)etc
It's one the the Q2 games that they're pushing right now.
metalslimer
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The break even for that game is probably less than 200000. Why not release it?
Hot Coldman
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Eh, well, more power to 'em. I guess it might have some appeal left in it.
True, true. I was thinking it'd need a new Balance Board or something, but I guess the old ones would work if it's anything like a Wii Remote.
Still, shutting down others' observations on the justification that it is 'Nintendo fan crap' is not helpful either. I don't mean to scold or act superior, and I'm sorry if my post isn't helpful either. However, this is the kind of stuff I'm observing, and I am worried.
yeah it's still coming out. i think the wii fit franchise has ended, although plus did really well for itself (even as a bundle), so who knows. nintendo may try to position that and pikmin 3 as part of a relaunch this summer.
The "I don't care about power" and "company x makes bad games anyway, I nevee would've bought it if it came out on the Wii U" arguments by Nintendo fans are ridiculous. Going by what some people on here say, the only good games are the games that come out on the Wii U.
It's also the only Q2 game that has solid details right now, too, complete with a box art and being bundled with a repainted Pokewalker!
If they make exciting features and push the game it could be decent for them. They'll probably have multiple SKUs as well to try and move.
You mean games like Nintendoland, the upcoming Wii Fit U or all these games like Brain Training, Style Savvy, Art Academy etc. that are bombing on the 3DS?
metalslimer
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Or Wiiu sports and wiiu party. Nintendo wants the market back, they have seemingly run out of ideas for new ip for that market though
Nintendo really needs to come out swinging at E3 with all their heavy hitters.
It better come out, I plan on using it. I was hoping it be out sooner.
Your not really helping at all either...
Hot Coldman
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Oh fuck, I totally forgot about that! Hahaha. Man, I want someone to take that thing apart and get it working with HGSS again.
It'll probably sell better than Pikmin 3, so I suppose their priorities are correct.
Wickerbasket
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It happens to some gaming fans when their console is doing poorly, they try and justify why it's doing bad. Other posters are right to point out when their excuses don't hold any weight.
I don't mind people making reasonable posts about the subject, but when the post only contains 'Third parties hate Nintendo, it's not Nintendo's fault' then I roll my eyes.
I had one of those once. I believe if you leave it alone long enough, Pikachu will leave. :lol
clay_ghost
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Wanders brothers?
wii U is screwed at 3rd parties, hope it will be like gamecube with some great games coming out......
When you think about it, third-parties have very little interest in supporting the Wii U.
Would third-parties have been better off if the Wii didn't exist or failed miserably? Yes, because out of the 80 million Wii owners, at least some would buy a 360 or PS3 instead, and third-party games perform much better on these platforms.
The next Xbox and PS4 are going to be similar technically and developers are going to support them rather equally, at least at first. So making a Wii U game means:
1) Investing resources into scaling a game down to Wii U hardware.
2) Investing more resources to support the gamepad.
3) Having to compete with Nintendo first-party titles which dominate sales on the platform.
In summary, developers have every reason to want the next systems from Microsoft and Sony succeed at the expense of Wii U, and very little reason to support it.
Would third-parties have been better off if the Wii didn't exist or failed miserably? Yes, because out of the 80 million Wii owners, at least some would buy a 360 or PS3 instead, and third-party games perform much better on these platforms.
The next Xbox and PS4 are going to be similar technically and developers are going to support them rather equally, at least at first. So making a Wii U game means:
1) Investing resources into scaling a game down to Wii U hardware.
2) Investing more resources to support the gamepad.
3) Having to compete with Nintendo first-party titles which dominate sales on the platform.
In summary, developers have every reason to want the next systems from Microsoft and Sony succeed at the expense of Wii U, and very little reason to support it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I'm probably in the minority but all this "bad news" makes me even more excited about their E3 showing because unlike in the past, they HAVE to bring everything they have.
Other people are skeptical but I'm calling it now:
This will be THE best or second best E3 ever for the company.
I don't believe in only bad news, I believe something will go down that while not erasing anything that has happened up to this point...it will cast a different light on the system and those that own it will be more excited than letdown.
The amount of quality they could show at this E3 is staggering.
Now if their big guns are just "good", it'll be a disaster.
no, i mean titles that would be different from the games that no longer interest casual gamers on the wii, and games that they currently enjoy on facebook and mobile devices. they basically made a tablet because tablets are popular and expected people to flock to it because tablets are popular. there's no real outside-the-box thinking when it comes to nintendoland. if there was, they wouldn't feel compelled to coat each minigame in franchise paint.
this wasn't the generation for outside-the-box thinking anyway. they had disrupted the market, and it was up to them to carry the torch into next gen with renewed ip strength and more in the bank. instead of refining motion controls and getting a system comparable to next gen consoles, they tried to do the thinking-outside-the-box stuff that made the wii so popular, without any thinking outside the box.
It is all just business. They'll shut each other down without batting an eye. Nintendo is getting an uneven share of the profit and not working with us - shut them down. Do it better than them, use our market leverage. I don't see why this line of thinking shouldn't be default as you and anyone else would probably apply that to every other form of business, instead you treat the video game industry as humans who need to get along with each other.
Reducing the opinion of an entire fan base down to a few vocal people that you can't get along with is ridiculous as well.
JordanN
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Whether or not it's compelling, my point still stands.
metalslimer
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People have lost they damn minds. I thought Wii owners didnt buy 3rd party games? Which is it?
Dave Meltzer
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Epic don't see Nintendo as competition. If they did Unreal 3 wouldn't work on it.
They see them as irrelevant to the kind of market they're going for, and unworthy of much of their attention.
Is it really a conspiracy when we get 2-3 articles a day where developers mock/laugh/abandon Wii U? I understand business decisions need to be made, but everyone seems to take to the airwaves and internet to openly bash Nintendo and the Wii U.
C'mon now. The reason why certain arguments are ignored is because every thread that's about a game or company not supporting the Nintendo platform, there will inevitably be the "this company sucks anyway" type of comments. There is a segment of the Nintendo fan population that will downplay and denigrate anything that doesn't come out on the Nintendo platform and people get tired of seeing that all the time.
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