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Bel_Air_Jeff
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that nintendo save CREATED the video game market as we know it.
Revisionist History?
velvet_nitemare
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shinobi602
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Huh? So we all have to just treat Nintendo based off what they did like 30 years ago? No, you live in the present.
TheNatural
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Nintendo really has this major problem of conditioning itself to when it's consoles have serious issues, they say they're going to address them, and improve the next one by a little bit and expect everyone to jump on board. But at the same time they completely ignore the fact that there are competitors and they've done nothing to even get on even ground, much less mitigate, that competitive advantage.
Gamecube was the "answer" to N64's cartridge problem. But with a weird ass mini disc system that had capacity issues as well, and made the system in a purple lunchbox with a controller missing a trigger button.
Wii was the "answer" to Gamecube's lack of online, capacity issues, and weird ass aesthetics - but totally ignored the online userbase with weird ass friend codes and no centralized system.
360 has been out 7 years and PS3 just as long. You have people tied into social groups online or offline with their gamer tags and Live or PSN. They're not going to run out and buy a Wii U and not play online with their friends in their ecosystem. Those people are GONE. That's a huge competitive advantage Nintendo did nothing to mitigate it.
This sort of stuff builds up cross generation, it doesn't start from day one of a launch of a new system and say "oh its a little better now consumers and developers, jump on board." It's too late for that, and that's why you get low third party sales and the cycle repeats itself.
Gamecube was the "answer" to N64's cartridge problem. But with a weird ass mini disc system that had capacity issues as well, and made the system in a purple lunchbox with a controller missing a trigger button.
Wii was the "answer" to Gamecube's lack of online, capacity issues, and weird ass aesthetics - but totally ignored the online userbase with weird ass friend codes and no centralized system.
360 has been out 7 years and PS3 just as long. You have people tied into social groups online or offline with their gamer tags and Live or PSN. They're not going to run out and buy a Wii U and not play online with their friends in their ecosystem. Those people are GONE. That's a huge competitive advantage Nintendo did nothing to mitigate it.
This sort of stuff builds up cross generation, it doesn't start from day one of a launch of a new system and say "oh its a little better now consumers and developers, jump on board." It's too late for that, and that's why you get low third party sales and the cycle repeats itself.
Bel_Air_Jeff
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i don't know if i agree with this.
Paul McCartney is still a member of the Beatles no matter how long time passes.
Nintendo is still Nintendo.
velvet_nitemare
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Jesus fucking christ
Unless somehow John Lennon and George Harrison rise from the grave....
shinobi602
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You can't be apologetic just because they saved the industry decades ago. If your best friend screws you over royally one day, do you treat him the exact same simply because of the good times you both had in your youth?
Nah, dude, they're like totally out to get Nintendo. They hate them with a burning passion that could power the suns of 20 solar systems.
They "saved" it nearly 30 years ago. Times have changed, and Nintendo doesn't seem to be changing with them.
JordanN
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I am losing happiness.
Again, why isn't the whole industry not making 8-bit games anymore? Why isn't everything being made on 2mb cartridges?
These technologies are old. They're limiting. They present an obstacle for wanting to be immersed in a game or art or imagination.
No one should play old graphics when technology for better exists.Box said:
This is not being a graphics whore, this is called progress.
When you justify the actions that don't embrace new technology, you are halting every benefit that stems from it.
Ninja Scooter
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gutter_trash
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Ah, you are one of those who's first game as a child is Mario 64 and nothing in the past prior ever mattered, am right?
velvet_nitemare
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Out of curiosity, did Nintendo request any input from western 3rd parties when creating the Wii U? Because they certainly failed to create a system that caters to them, so no surprises that western support is abysmal. Hell japanese support is still up in the air.
It seems Sony requested dev input when creating the PS4, so no surprises they're getting the support. Plus Sony has far better dev relations than Nintendo for a start, so there's that.
It seems Sony requested dev input when creating the PS4, so no surprises they're getting the support. Plus Sony has far better dev relations than Nintendo for a start, so there's that.
I'm pretty sure they did request dev input but I don't that had much to do with anything since the only reason they probably didn't go with power was the price.
Sounds like EA lol
JordanN
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Mega Man 9 was suppose to look like a NES game.
If capcom tried to do that with atari 2600 graphics, it would miss that message.
Dave Meltzer
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NES = Revolver
SNES = White Album
N64 = McCartney I
Gamecube = Band On The Run
Wii = Give My Regards to Broad Street
Wii U = Kisses On The Bottom
SNES = White Album
N64 = McCartney I
Gamecube = Band On The Run
Wii = Give My Regards to Broad Street
Wii U = Kisses On The Bottom
Your point? You said that if the technology for better graphics existed no one should play games that has old graphics.
Ergo by your logic no one should have played Megaman 9 cause better graphics existed.
JordanN
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There was nothing better than Mega Man 9's graphics. It's suppose to be NES.
Again, if Capcom did that with the Atari 2600 visuals, it would miss its mark. You would not be playing NES Mega Man.
The fact that people still play, create, and enjoy 8-bit and 8-bit styled games is consistent with the idea that old graphics are not an insurmountable obstacle to enjoying a game.
I can see why someone would call you a graphics whore if you're defining progress as graphical advancement.
I'd like to think you aren't this thick. There are other things that might come into play. I gave the suggestion that a game with older graphics would be better than no game at all, but you said that that wasn't so because it would be degrading to play something like that.
And I thought it sounded ridiculous that that was your actual point, but you said that was really how you felt.
I was just making a point that they saved the industry. That means nothing in regard to what happens today.
ClovingWestbrook
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As much as I am a fan of Nintendo IPs please stop. There is no defense for their handling of online infrastructure, their refusal to build hardware THIS gen that is at least significantly more powerful than the 360/PS3, their terrible launch. Don't try to protect Nintendo from justifiable criticism.
Dave Meltzer
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JordanN
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If you're creating games where the intent and art is 8-bit, you are defending my principles.
You need technology to bring about such art. If there where no 8-bit graphics, there would be no games that target them. Period.
It is. Super Nintendo games got better than NES ones. N64 got better than SNES. Gamecube got better than N64.Box said:
Every time you bring huge leaps in horsepower, the more developers could create games with better immersion.
If Super Mario 64 had no polygons to work with, Mario would never be available to explore the Mushroom Kingdom.
megabytecr
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If Nintendo succeds every 3rd party would need to react to that, but they are not willing to do that as they are putting all their eggs in one next gen basket.
I own other consoles and will own a next gen PC.
Nintendo even if they wanted to go high graphics would not be able to compete against 3rd partys as they dont have the know how. That is why they try to innovate with the gamepad and motion controls so they can compete.
I was literally just about to post this exact post in different wording, and then I refreshed the thread, haha.
But yeah, the reason Mega Man 9 looks that way and is acceptable is because it's trying to hit the player's nostalgia nerves. Also, the game only cost $10 and wasn't a retail product.
Kazuma Kiryu
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my god, you could have at least read up about the industry on wikipedia or something, that's just an ignorant post.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Apparently, Nintendo moved from 3DS-style analogue sliders to clickable sticks due to dev input.
My point was to argue the way he phrased his argument.
Uncle0wnage
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Even if the Wii U was on par with PS4, very few western devs would develop for it anyways. And people still wouldn't buy it. It would've been $450+ which would completely cut off any casual fans from the wii jumping on board. I'd rather have the wii u be the gamecube 2 than the virtual boy 2.
AZ Greg
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Then you'd better hope they get things sorted out and fast.
JordanN
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Who is supporting the Wii U?!!?!?!?
Gamecube got Rogue Squadron 2, Beyond Good and Evil and other games.
Seriously, comparing Wii U to the Gamecube is an insult.
Okay, okay, hold it.
Is this what you're so upset about?
You think the Wii U is standing in the way of technological progress?
Because it really isn't.
Graphics are still advancing all the time, even on Nintendo systems. I'm sure I pointed this out at least twice.
And besides, it's not like Nintendo's choices are halting hardware advancements on other platforms like the PC.
There are lot of weaker computing devices that can't run advanced video games. That doesn't stop people from making them on hardware that can.
Team Ninja Says Wii U Is Very Easy To Develop For, Plus Wii U Hardware Is Changing Constantly
According to Team Ninja Nintendo was listening to everything they said, so either Nintendo wasn't able to meet Western pubs demands, or Nintendo made all the Japanese pubs happy with the Wii U design.
According to Team Ninja Nintendo was listening to everything they said, so either Nintendo wasn't able to meet Western pubs demands, or Nintendo made all the Japanese pubs happy with the Wii U design.
Its basically impossible for the Wii U to be the Virtual Boy 2 at this point.
January 31st, 2012.
Didn't NG3 have frame rate issues? lol.
If you're trying to say that enjoying an 8 bit game is less meaningful than enjoying a game with better graphics, then I think you're wrong.
It's just enjoyment. There's no objectivity. It's what you make of it.
I...I posted that because people were speculating if Nintendo went to talk to third party's about how the Wii U should be designed and Team Ninja is evidence that they did.
Dave Meltzer
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Didn't Nintendo publish Ninja Gaiden?
Of course they're not gonna say anything even remotely negative about Nintendo.
No they're not. The progression of technology exists in parallel of Nintendo's console choices. Nintendo being slower doesn't make everyone else slower.
So that must mean they're lying now or what?
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