way to just shut everyone else down
Iwata's Broken Promises (NotEnoughShaders article)
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way to just shut everyone else down
What? The Wii had a bunch of games during that first year+ on the market. At launch there was Zelda, Excite Truck, Wii Sports, Trauma Center, etc. 2007 brought Metroid, Strikers Charged, Super Paper Mario, Zack and Wiki, Resident Evil, Wario Ware, Batallion Wars 2, Mario Party 8, Manhunt 2, Fire Emblem, Rabbids, Super Mario Galaxy, etc. And No More Heroes hit in January 08. Software was relatively prolific during the early stages of the Wii, especially from Nintendo themselves. I think you are way off in this regard. I would say its the outlier to the poor launches of the DS, the 3DS and the WiiU. The Wii rocketing out of the gate in sales was definitely thanks in part to Nintendo getting games on the system in a pretty timely manner after launch.
Ollie Pooch
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Would the name really have made a difference to the third party relations? I'm not the type of guy who believe that 3rd parties hate Nintendo. Its just, at least up until now Nintendo have always gone about it differently. Its like complaining the OUYA doesn't have AAA games when that's not what its about. Nintendo haven't been in parity with its competitors for a long time and even when they were the industry was a lot different and even then it was still quirky and odd and silly with mistakes and odd choices in hardware.
I don't know, its always going to be a strange mystery but the great thing is if you want a down to earth system there are two available right now, with a third being your PC.
Dave Meltzer
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I'd never downplay the appeal of the touch screen in 2004. My point was just that the actual second screen has never really been all that good for games except for extreme cases. If it hadn't been a touch screen, it would have offered next to nothing. So a second screen essentially being the main selling point of the Wii U is flawed.
Thank you for the article, now it makes a lot more sense.
It always seemed like nintendo missed something (and not just Rare) since after the gamecube launch. No wonder now.
Reggie's NOA is a sad joke.
sakipon
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Seems you're pointing out Western third party games though. There's been some nice stuff from Japanese devs.
I dunno I think the Gamecube did have pretty good 3rd party support. They secured a number of Japanese exclusives, and it would have been even better if Capcom hadn't bailed on those other games. The Gamecube was probably the best supported system of the 3d era considering it was getting a good deal of the multiplats as well.
TreasureHunterG
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I really got excited at the 3DS annoucement at E3 2010. Assassin's Creed, Saint's Row and Metal Gear Solid for 3DS? Fucking awesome! I though at last Nintendo was going after the western audience and was targeting more M-Rated games for it's platforms. In the end, AC and SR got canned and MGS didn't had the Snake Eater Sample graphics they presented. Western third-parties pretty much ignored 3DS ever since.
he always will. saying they won't get it is such a terrible idea and it'd also be a lie.
-Pyromaniac-
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When is the last time Iwata commented on the wii u in general, and its support? The silence seems to say it all.
I agree that they should operate under the assumption that the 3rd party support won't be there. Not saying ignore it, not saying don't try to develop relationships, but operate your own company as if it's not happening. You built up a warchest....use it. They seem to be operating in a bubble but now it has popped prematurely.
I agree that they should operate under the assumption that the 3rd party support won't be there. Not saying ignore it, not saying don't try to develop relationships, but operate your own company as if it's not happening. You built up a warchest....use it. They seem to be operating in a bubble but now it has popped prematurely.
Interceptor
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So many angry people in this thread. Iwata really pissed some people of. Or maybe it's the same people like always with another excuse to hate Nintendo. Who knows.
Dave Meltzer
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Your interpretation.of criticism as anger is curious.
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Jotamide
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Nintendo really needs a Western head, it seems that NOJ has no clue about today's gaming landscape.
IrishNinja
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excellent argument, would read again
the hyperbole train is now at the station, choo choo
man Tobor part of me actually wishes he would step down, just so you'd have something else to talk about in nintendo threads for once
JordanN
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Oh, the name wasn't about third parties. My earlier post covered my problem was both developers and consumers. But if it wasn't relevant you can ignore it.
Ouya and Nintendo are in 2 separate leagues in both history and influence.
It's not a strange mystery more than it's unnecessary weight. Again, this is stuff Nintendo doesn't have to do that affects their game output. And people defending these actions is what I find most annoying.
Forget PC gaming or Microsoft and Sony for a second and focus on Nintendo as a business acting weird.
Interceptor
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Criticism? Many people act if Nintendo has slaughtered their firstborn. I don't have so much time for gaming anymore but I always enjoy it to see how Nintendo pisses some people of by doing something totally different and sometimes stupid. What's great about this is the fact that Nintendo could do this for a looong time. All this people praying for Nintendo to fail and it just won't happen. Very entertaining to watch. ^^
PdotMichael
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I don't understand why Nintendo couldn't do the same as Sony. Sony improved its software output in the last 7 years in an impressive way but Nintendo did nothing or it was very Japan centric like a few deals with japanese developers (Fatal Frame, Monster Hunter or Bayonetta).
I thought we attack positions and not people on Neogaf?
I thought we attack positions and not people on Neogaf?
This is what bothers me. The inability to learn from past mistakes and expecting
that 3rd parties will jump on board because of hardware. And having hardware that will be technically obsolete in the console market by 2014.
Dave Meltzer
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You're projecting things that haven't been said in this thread.
Interceptor
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Actually Nintendo increased its software output a lot during the last years. But i guess the games had not enough guns in them to be recognised.
A western CEO would make me worry. They need a more western minded Japanese CEO.
Why did you start with this stupid console fan wars shit?
I was actually under the impression that the 3DS had been doing well after a poor launch.
PdotMichael
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That would be the best case for Nitnendo if the biggest problem is just that they don't develope enough games with guns.
But we all know that's not the problem of Nintendo.
Pretty sure it has been. The price cut and all the games helped a lot.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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What do you want me to do riot NCL? With what money lol
DICKS AHOY
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I'm pretty sure he's also made the same "You will say 'wow' when you see these graphics" comment about every generation and almost immediately after the system's released (this obviously isn't applicable for the GCN when he wasn't CEO) comes out with a "Well we're getting to the point where you can't really tell the difference with all these different levels of graphical output" quip.
I like the guy but especially given the Wii U his time's definitely up. They need someone who at the very least can rebuild and strengthen those 3rd party relationships. As cool as it is they're funding Bayonetta 2, business wise Platinum couldn't have been that difficult to score an exclusivity contract with given how mixed their sales usually are.
I like the guy but especially given the Wii U his time's definitely up. They need someone who at the very least can rebuild and strengthen those 3rd party relationships. As cool as it is they're funding Bayonetta 2, business wise Platinum couldn't have been that difficult to score an exclusivity contract with given how mixed their sales usually are.
There's quite a bit of evidence in that article of double speak and contradictions, and also sitting back and not being proactive enough in looking for solutions to game droughts. There's more than enough to discuss whether Iwata is capable of rectifying the situation without having to be a hater.
Perhaps it's time for some outside influence at the top.
I think it's less to do with weird and more to do with being foreign. Nintendo at heart and in all it's actions exude a Japanese like mythology. And I think that's it really. People don't forgive Nintendo for being weird but instead accept it as an inherent trait. Kinda like a relative from another country. They might act a bit weird but you just accept them for who they truly are.
It's not like Nintendo couldn't change I guess. But I don't even think it's Iwata. I'm betting the whole company work the same way and think the same way. I wouldn't be surprised if all of Nintendo's developers were mini Iwata's lol.
In a weird way I see Nintendo as a Japanese company exporting it's stuff to the rest of the world. It's no wonder they preform better at home.
Comparatively speaking, Sony did(and is still doing) jack shit with its portable support and they were forced to expand massively to meet the requirements for HD development. Lets not forget that the PS3 was a mess for much of its early life, and Sony was kind of bailed out by their western teams getting games out on time compared to the Japanese teams that failed miserably at doing so. Nintendo puts top teams on portable software development, but has failed to expand quickly enough to meet demands on both fronts.
I really have no idea why they are simply sitting on so much cash too. For a company that operates in such a focused and competitive market they should have really been going all out with expansion to get software and marketing ready for their new systems. I mean the 3DS has largely been saved, but that first year was awful. The WiiU has a dreadful software outlook, one of the worst I've ever seen honestly. Outside of a couple known Nintendo games there is basically nothing on the horizon. Obviously this will change, but its pretty bizarre. At least with the 3DS there were titles in the far off distance from the get go.
It's not like we know much about people working at Nintendo.
This is more a perceived idea than something actually happening, the WiiU hardware, while not on par with the PS4 or the the rumored specs of the next Xbox, is more than capable, ahead of PS3 and 360 and far from obsolete. The problem here is a very custom architecture and Nintendo's own rush into this gen which fail to pull out something with a little bit more visual fanfare, and I'm not talking about power itself, but presentation. Mario WiiU might be a great game, but it simply looks the same as the old one to anyone not obsessed about graphics.
Nintendo's image as a company that "doesn't care about graphics" is what hurts them the most with some prominent western developers, and they don't do much to reverse that situation.
metalslimer
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You know this article points to a lot of incompetence not just from Iwata. The entire corporate at Nintendo is fucked in so many ways.
Allan Holdsworth
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Except the DS/3DS didn't have droughts, except for the post-launch period which is true for pretty much every console.
metalslimer
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And that's exactly what he said theyd prevent. *cue them losing a shit ton because of the pricedrop and no software*
Kajima put it well, but the wiiu disaster is the result of every problem nintendo has had colliding at once with no mass market wiimote to save them
Great points in the article I think. I've been saying for a while that Nintendo have been saying one thing and doing the other wrt their "droughts". I have lost almost all respect for Iwata and feel like he has become a seriously disingenuous person.
As I think a lot of people have been saying, the Wii U whilst cool just sits in this weird middle ground where it's neither mainstream catching nor hardcore hardon inducing, all the while Nintendo is telling us it's a console for everyone. Which of course has seen it starting to become a console for "noone". Add in the complete lack of software from not only Nintendo but most third parties (Either current or next gen) and the system is looking to be full of hot air.
I agree that in order for Nintendo to get that western core gamer audience they needed to have forgone the #1 aim of low power if it was holding them back from achieving something that was a significant step above 360/PS3. It didn't need to be PS4 level but it needed to be of the level that the big publishers got excited and felt it was bringing something new for their audience, which is the core gamer. I wonder if Nintendo really believed the GamePad would satiate those developers?
That said, I'm not entirely sure that Nintendo really wanted them in the first place. I think they maybe just wanted it to be the minimum level to get a good number of ports of PS4/720 to broaden their offerings while still being mainly a Nintendo console and I'm also wonder if they were caught out by the massive jump that the PS4 (And presumably the 720) are making.
As I think a lot of people have been saying, the Wii U whilst cool just sits in this weird middle ground where it's neither mainstream catching nor hardcore hardon inducing, all the while Nintendo is telling us it's a console for everyone. Which of course has seen it starting to become a console for "noone". Add in the complete lack of software from not only Nintendo but most third parties (Either current or next gen) and the system is looking to be full of hot air.
I agree that in order for Nintendo to get that western core gamer audience they needed to have forgone the #1 aim of low power if it was holding them back from achieving something that was a significant step above 360/PS3. It didn't need to be PS4 level but it needed to be of the level that the big publishers got excited and felt it was bringing something new for their audience, which is the core gamer. I wonder if Nintendo really believed the GamePad would satiate those developers?
That said, I'm not entirely sure that Nintendo really wanted them in the first place. I think they maybe just wanted it to be the minimum level to get a good number of ports of PS4/720 to broaden their offerings while still being mainly a Nintendo console and I'm also wonder if they were caught out by the massive jump that the PS4 (And presumably the 720) are making.
I have nothing against Iwata. He's a good guy, I think. However, Nintendo needs a shakeup and soon. Not just in Japan, but in the States as well. It's like these guys simply lost touch with gamers somewhere down the line and it would be nice to see someone come in and make some real changes, while keeping their identity. It's a shame that it seems like their third party relations have gotten worse...not better and continue to make that slide. They can't even get EA on board? Damn, you know something is wrong there.
JordanN
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I refuse to believe it's a by-product of their society. Nintendo being adamant to everyone, including themselves, seems to be their own self inflicted wound. We've had at least 2 other Japanese companies manufacture hardware and their behaviour can hardly if possibly be compared to Nintendo's own.
The problem with Iwata is he's the one spearheading these things. There needs to be a CEO with a bigger sense of responsibility, even if the company is all like him.
metalslimer
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I think the most etherish part of this article is that Iwata and co are complete hypocrites for saying they would simplify gaming input and then creating the most expensive controller ever showing that the Wii was never a grand new direction for nintendo, but expendable consumers they would drop in a second. It's no wonder casuals didn't come back if even nintendo didnt believe the hype
Yes, the Wii U is chock full of games right now.
I won't lie, the whole think kinda pissed me off a little. I do use the Wiipad for surfing the net quite often, but it wasn't necessary at all. The fact that they pumped so much money into it is just depressing to me.
I guess we'll have to sit back and see. Shouldn't be long from now with the fiscal report and all that and E3 being the chance for redemption. I do like Iwata however and love his silliness and don't feel it affects the games, but like I said let's see.