SuperSonic1305
Member
They want us to get used to this so that when it happens we are not surprised. Hoping that by the time the console launches nobody will care anymore.
Kotaku: Next Xbox will require online connection to start games
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Yeah, that's not that far from how it is now. 50% of your game requires Xbox Live already. Now it would be 100%.
I think you will find that Hardcore gamers play those games as well, in fact COD players probably game as much as anyone unless the definition of a 'Hardcore Gamer' is someone who only plays Japanese RPG's or WOW or something.
I think that even IF this becomes true, it won't be as big of a problem for MS as we might think. That is because most consumers are bitch-made with no resolve; they will eventually buckle at the knees and bend over to get their software fill.
I just don't think it'll play out for MS as we think it might if this ends up being true at all.
I just don't think it'll play out for MS as we think it might if this ends up being true at all.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Assuming this is true, that would be reason enough for me to completely ignore the console. It's not as if Microsoft has any exclusive titles I'm interested in anyway.
I'm partially joking, as I'd buy it if it had games I want ... but for fucks sake, what idiot thought this would be a good idea?
I'm partially joking, as I'd buy it if it had games I want ... but for fucks sake, what idiot thought this would be a good idea?
What good besides just for the "shits n giggles" can come out of this? If anything we should hope that all three systems will be as good as they can get and be successful, after all competition is a good thing for us consumers first.
Back on topic if the rumor is true then I'll probably get a used Durango for 80e at 2020 and just play the games I missed, no way I'm supporting such a thing.
Kun Aguero
Member
KIN hell, if this is true.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
You could have posted that as well when they made the HDD and an Ethernet port mandatory to play online in the first xbox. Look how that turned out.
BRocknRolla
Member
Well, I think the argument is that there would be more pure profit from these connected customers as the conversion makes up for any lost profit. You can't force the conversion if you leave the not-connected option available, and while unfortunate, that does mean cutting off a potential revenue stream.
But yes, we certainly agree that whether such a gamble pays off is completely up in the air. I make no judgement about its worth, only that there is an economic sense.
I think you misunderstood my point.
I wasn't expecting anyone to. What I find saddening is that some people won't care about issues and problems unless they affect them directly, and I think that's just wrong. People dropping by this thread and posting something like "I have a super-fast, always-on internet connection" are failing to see the big picture and failing to empathise about people who aren't as fortunate. Just because something doesn't concern you directly doesn't mean you should automatically disregard it and not care about those affected.
That doesn't mean you should boycott any product, but don't act like there is no problem with it just because you have no problem with it. Still, that's just my opinion.
If i remember right, only 20% of Xbox owners went online and that was the figure from right at the end so it didn't go that well really!.
No used media and online requirements worked out so well for DIVX.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
TwiztidElf
Member
If this BS is true, it's our duty as early adopters to tell our family and friends.
"If your internet goes down, you can't play!"
That's all it will take. Even the idiot sheep will be horrified.
/this is coming from an xbox fan btw.
It'd honestly be AMAZING if they not only made the console always online but require a subscription. I'd hope it either failed or at least become Microsoft's own special niche while mainstream and a good chunk of niche support went to PS4/WiiU/PC/anything portable instead, with any possibility to REALLY lead the industry lost.
Come on.
What am I reading? The first Xbox included a HDD and Ethernet port by default, you couldn't even physically separate the two. This allowed for online play and didn't force anything on the user. Mandatory parts for online were mandatory for the entire console, and the HDD was extremely useful for all users not just for online games.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
It's fine, they will be the very first people raging about how they can't play any of the game they've bought on these forums the very first time Xbox Live goes down for routine maintenance.
Then the karmic wheel will let them know how that feels when they just get trolled hard by everyone who didn't buy into it with dealwithit.gif etc
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Practically NO one had Ethernet internet back then and look how it payed off for them.
Now fast forward to now and tell me, how many times are you seriously on your computer, phone or console and you're not connected online. Like seriously. Are you people on fucking crack or what?
I can count on one hand the number of times my internet was down in the passed 5 years. Jesus Christ.
Your post is crumbling, falling apart since the first word. You're seriously bolstering your acceptance to always online and all you can come up with is this weak ass nonsensical reply? Cmon son!
MaddenNFL64
Member
Welp, im done. Hello PS4. Maybe. Unless it does the same shit.
Then Hello pc!
Then Hello pc!
rudieboy77
Member
Is it irony that folks are posting online about how they will not use a console that requires it to be online?
backbreaker65
Banned
what if the always online is for used games.
you buy the game and you have to pay a $10 license fee in order to use it. basically a $10 activation fee.
you buy the game and you have to pay a $10 license fee in order to use it. basically a $10 activation fee.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Kaz should just recreate their 1995 E3.
"Sony Playstation 4. No on-line required." *drops mic*
"Sony Playstation 4. No on-line required." *drops mic*
ArisenDragon
Member
PS4 isn't doing this they already said it will play used games and doesn't have to always be online.
WiiU is going to get a big boost this Christmas -
"Mum can i get that new Xbox for Christmas?"
"Well we will see what we can do if you're good"
"But....er....Mum you need to have the internet to play it......"
"What?....to play a games machine?, thats ridiculous. We are not paying that much for a new console then also paying an extra $20 per month just to use it!!!...........you can have a WiiU and be thankful for that!"
".....Fuck you mum"
I have been a huge Xbox supporter for 13 years now. I still remember the article I read about the original Xbox in EGM in, I believe October of 2000. It had Twisted Metal Black on the cover, and a short article on why how the Xbox would change the gaming landscape.
I kept the lime green "Xbox Unveiled" issue of EGM for like 10 years, and read the article that unveiled the console and controller design probably a thousand times. It was pretty much the only thing I read during "silent reading" in school for the year leading up to launch.
I preordered the original Xbox and kept a countdown calendar to it's original November 8th launch date and waited outside a Circuit City for like 18 hours to get a 360 when it came out.
I really hope this isn't the direction they are going. I won't be able to support it if they do. If this is strictly an anti-piracy measure, there has to be a better way, right?
I kept the lime green "Xbox Unveiled" issue of EGM for like 10 years, and read the article that unveiled the console and controller design probably a thousand times. It was pretty much the only thing I read during "silent reading" in school for the year leading up to launch.
I preordered the original Xbox and kept a countdown calendar to it's original November 8th launch date and waited outside a Circuit City for like 18 hours to get a 360 when it came out.
I really hope this isn't the direction they are going. I won't be able to support it if they do. If this is strictly an anti-piracy measure, there has to be a better way, right?
I think you need to backup and check your premises. The context of this discussion is around a rumor that suggests app/game functionality would be shut down on the Xbox Next if it cannot establish acceptable network connectivity within any given three minute window, whether the currently running app/game actually needs it or not. This is a _restriction_, not enhancement.
Obviously a game or app that requires a network connection to deliver some of its features will establish the availability of that connection itself and obviously someone who opts to play/use such a game/app will have to be aware of the need to enable the software to connect online. There's no reason why the console itself has to further police that for software or the user, certainly not for the sake of games that don't even need an online connection to be played properly.
These systems do not need to be "always" online to get the benefits of online and the simple reality is that progress is not achieved by becoming less resilient to adversity like you're basically proposing through total intolerance to offline use.
Yeah..this is kind of a dumb move. And I dont necessarily think its because people dont have internet, most of us do especially anyone who would buy a 720. I just think this sounds really bad, this type of news generates horrible PR and word of mouth.
Flatline
Banned
Uno Venova
Banned
No there isn't.
It really isn't ironic at all once you dissect the reasons why people are opposed to an always online console.
The Albatross
Member
Really just want to see what the benefit is to the user. With many other bad decisions this gen and in the past, they could be justified with some tangential benefit to the user; sure there shit DLC and on-disc DLC, but there was also good DLC; sure patches are annoying, but there have also been some good patches.
If this is true ...
I just don't see what benefit this has over this generation of consoles. I have one of the best home internet services in the country... 100MB up/down, but my internet still goes out. Beyond that, my router screws up, or my network switch loses it, or my roommate is tinkering with something and accidentally unplugs the internet.
I just don't see any benefit to the player, in any way.
Hoping MS leaked that on purpose to gage the Gaf reaction and then make their decision based on that reaction. I know that this isn't true, but hoping for it.
If this is true ...
I just don't see what benefit this has over this generation of consoles. I have one of the best home internet services in the country... 100MB up/down, but my internet still goes out. Beyond that, my router screws up, or my network switch loses it, or my roommate is tinkering with something and accidentally unplugs the internet.
I just don't see any benefit to the player, in any way.
Hoping MS leaked that on purpose to gage the Gaf reaction and then make their decision based on that reaction. I know that this isn't true, but hoping for it.
Glorified G
Member
It was the dumbest post in the thread by far. Why would the fact that you need and hdd to go online in the first place be a problem if every single one was mandatory in the first place?
Terrible spin. Corporate apologist is not even appropriate in this case. I think "Deluded fanboy who can't even defend this dumb practice properly" is better.
The Albatross
Member
No, not at all.
Not irony in the slightest.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Gamers: Fuck off with your online Kinection-required console, Microsoft!
Microsoft at E3: "We've purchased the Call of Duty, Madden, and FIFA franchises!"
Gamers:
Microsoft is successful in part because of their money so it wouldn't be a shock.
Would ruin the industry.
Too many sources have reported this for it to be shaken off as BS, including EDGE who have been dead on with PS4 information.
Yeesh, I hope none of this is true. These nasty Durango rumors just won't die, and we keep hearing from "sources" that say this is all real.
I sure as hell hope not. Always online DRM is a disaster, but having a console that requires an online connection to even allow you to play games? Hell no. And I say that as someone living in a major metropolitan area that still experiences hours of no internet access on a regular basis.
I sure as hell hope not. Always online DRM is a disaster, but having a console that requires an online connection to even allow you to play games? Hell no. And I say that as someone living in a major metropolitan area that still experiences hours of no internet access on a regular basis.
krypt0nian
Banned
It's possible you should review how irony works.
Too many equally valid developer sources also exist that don't appear to possess knowledge of where the always online bit came from. And one that has proven himself more valid than all the others ever; SuperDAE, who says it's nonsense. Also EDGE being dead on with PS4 information doesn't suddenly mean they're dead on for Durango information.
Yeah I hate to say it but with so many different sources saying the same shit its probably true. At this point Im expecting Kinect always on, no used games and internet connection required to play games.
I just threw up a little.
NullPointer
Member
I don't get you. Why would an ethernet port and a HDD be a bad thing for multiplayer?
What would be stupid is if internet access was required for single player games.
test_account
XP-39C²
Didnt all Xboxes have a harddisk and an ethernet port?
EDIT: I'm wondering if you mean the PS2 instead.