[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
- Thread starter Hoo-doo
- Start date
I prefer the Xbox over the Playstation. Those negatives you mention really aren't that bad for me.
nelsonroyale
Member
Gears should be on a permanent break, just like God of War. New IP please.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Haha, wow.
YodaGoneMad
Banned
He is talking about actual facts not sensationalist journalism and rumor-mongering.
I'm not sure what that means. All I've found out about Kinect from owning one is that it is terrible for virtually every genre it touches, except dance games and mini-game compilations, which are abominations already and so any incremental improvement to the shit didn't seem like a big deal.
Save the money videogame companies, abandon this junk tech and put some research into shit that might be viable for more than 80% of all genres.
GoofsterStud
Member
In all honestly all but my kids 360 are dead, so I'd buy a $99 Xbox360 that doesn't require internet connection/subscription in heart beat. If the rumors are anything to go buy I would not buy a 720....
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
What if Xbox kicked your dog and ran over your mailbox? Or vice versa.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Have you considered that there might be no good news?
I prefer Playstation but believe me, if next xbox will offer free online, better specs/exclusive & allow used games over playstation brand, I don't care about sony. I don't find a logic to prefer something which damage my interests.
It was pretty much the same deal with the 360 early on and probably the original XBox if I understand correctly. Still have to be a certified publisher on the platform though, which is simple enough if you promise to put out three retail releases at 50,000 copies each in the US. Also still have to conform to system requirements, so mouse/keyboard games are out.
MS, like Sony up until very recently, is too busy telling devs no to be a real threat to PC gaming.
What the fuck are you on about?
GoofsterStud
Member
So he's talking about the system that doesn't exist?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
At this point I must suspect Microsoft believes the power of Xbox Live as a brand is massive and that they can rely on heavy subscription rates.
They may not be wrong. Therefore, I would entirely buy that a "reasonably priced" nextbox would be $300 with a 2 or 3 year subscription lock-in, and the true raw price would be at least $500 if they're going to force Kinect integration.
The thing GDDR5 or not, Sony is not laboring under the cost of Kinect. I seriously wonder if we could see a layout like this:
- Xbox 720 raw price = $500
-PS4 raw price = $400
- Xbox 720 + XBL Gold subscription = $300
- PS4 + PSplus subscription = $300
Thing is PSplus seems set up to potentially offer more value than Xbox Live as it currently stands. If Sony doesn't begin charging for basic PSN service with online play, it means they would have:
- Comparable or better hardware that undercuts 720 at the raw buy-in and doesn't require a sub for online play
- Same price subscription subsidized package with more service features out of the gate like instant game library and PSplus sales.
They may not be wrong. Therefore, I would entirely buy that a "reasonably priced" nextbox would be $300 with a 2 or 3 year subscription lock-in, and the true raw price would be at least $500 if they're going to force Kinect integration.
The thing GDDR5 or not, Sony is not laboring under the cost of Kinect. I seriously wonder if we could see a layout like this:
- Xbox 720 raw price = $500
-PS4 raw price = $400
- Xbox 720 + XBL Gold subscription = $300
- PS4 + PSplus subscription = $300
Thing is PSplus seems set up to potentially offer more value than Xbox Live as it currently stands. If Sony doesn't begin charging for basic PSN service with online play, it means they would have:
- Comparable or better hardware that undercuts 720 at the raw buy-in and doesn't require a sub for online play
- Same price subscription subsidized package with more service features out of the gate like instant game library and PSplus sales.
Because?
EDIT: okay I read your replies, it's only a case of: I like A more than B so A has to sell more, nothing to see here.
YodaGoneMad
Banned
I agree completely, my console is already always online and I buy a vast majority of my games on platforms like Steam that already do not allow used games. The changes don't concern me at all.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
That you come across as a fanboy.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Tell the PS3 that.
I think he means it's a great interface option for everything but games.
10101
Gold Member
That's a lot of money, even if it does well in the US and possibly over here in the UK I can't see it doing gangbusters elsewhere in the world.
If this is all true then 3rd console curse is heading Microsoft's way IMO. Dam I have a stupidly fast 120Mb stable internet connection because I work from home but always online is a no no for me. There is just no need for such shit, if I want to go offline or hide from the world I should be able to.
If this is all true then 3rd console curse is heading Microsoft's way IMO. Dam I have a stupidly fast 120Mb stable internet connection because I work from home but always online is a no no for me. There is just no need for such shit, if I want to go offline or hide from the world I should be able to.
alexandros
Banned
It has Windows 8 inside!
Haven't businesses learned by now? You can destroy your entire customer base that you spent years getting through good service and goodwill very quickly.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
My biggest potential problem with this is that I don't expect the Xbox 3 or PS4 to sell much in their first couple years if they're $500 with no BC. I would expect publishers to probably expect the same thing so then what publisher would be crazy enough to spend a lot of money on the new IP that usually does better at the beginning of the generation? Would EA really spend $40-60 million on a new IP for 2015 for systems that might have very small userbases at that point?
I'm the least fanboy in this thread son. You have people insulting gamers for buying Live, for playing Halo and I'm the fanboy? I'm merely stating my preferences.
Can Crusher
Banned
With place I meant games. It would be better suited to non gaming things
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I don't get how don't have negative feelings about at least some of Durango's rumored "features".
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
He said good.
I'm crossposting this from the other Paul Thurrott thread because I don't think enough people are considering how far Microsoft could possibly be taking their subscription based approach;
Just thought of something interesting, what if Microsoft is taking the whole subscription model to the max.
What if they looked at services like PS+, Gamefly, Netflix, Spotify, etc and are building their xbox completely around the same idea.
Is all of this always on stuff still going to be a problem if Microsoft will offer us free unlimited games (like a spotify or netflix) for a fixed monthly subscription payment, polling user data to determine payouts to publishers?
This would explain the whole Online Only/No-Second-Hand attitude as we'd basically be renting a service and not actually owning games.
Just thought of something interesting, what if Microsoft is taking the whole subscription model to the max.
What if they looked at services like PS+, Gamefly, Netflix, Spotify, etc and are building their xbox completely around the same idea.
Is all of this always on stuff still going to be a problem if Microsoft will offer us free unlimited games (like a spotify or netflix) for a fixed monthly subscription payment, polling user data to determine payouts to publishers?
This would explain the whole Online Only/No-Second-Hand attitude as we'd basically be renting a service and not actually owning games.
Never would've guessed.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
My PS3 has BC.
I hope people like you are just a few minority because I'm starting to be worried. I don't like what MS tryng to do (from the lastest rumours), is something just unacceptable from my mind & furthermore not sound good for my pocket.
Come on son.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Because brand loyalty lol
Chaos Theory
Banned
i honestly think no one has a clue what is the next xbox is aside from developers that arent saying anything.
i dont think the durango is weaker than the ps4. and i dont believe this price point. but i also dont find a 500$ an expensive for a next gen console too. if the ps4 is a 500$, then sure as hell i am buying it. hell i am buying it for 600$ just like how i bought my first ps3.
honestly the price isnt my issue. my issue is the stupid always online thing. and no used games.
if both came true. i am bailing out on this pos. period. i will not support any company that makes my games i bought from the store useless with no trade or sell value. and cant even play the damn games my self if my MS decided to shut down the durango server when the new xbox comes out, just like how they did with xbox 1. fuck that . and fuck it hard.
i dont think the durango is weaker than the ps4. and i dont believe this price point. but i also dont find a 500$ an expensive for a next gen console too. if the ps4 is a 500$, then sure as hell i am buying it. hell i am buying it for 600$ just like how i bought my first ps3.
honestly the price isnt my issue. my issue is the stupid always online thing. and no used games.
if both came true. i am bailing out on this pos. period. i will not support any company that makes my games i bought from the store useless with no trade or sell value. and cant even play the damn games my self if my MS decided to shut down the durango server when the new xbox comes out, just like how they did with xbox 1. fuck that . and fuck it hard.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
There is preference and then there is hoping a console sells more even though said console would be the most anticinsumer and closed in history.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I doubt we will see Halo 5 until at least late 2014. The numbered games are usually spread out between at least a couple of years.
Yeah, Windows 8.
The one game developers are hating on because it's trying to close up the PC so MS is the gatekeeper.
The one that's got a slower adoption rate than any Windows (even Vista).
The one that contributed to MS tablet sales missing sales projections by 90%.
The one that kept Windows phone 8 in 4th place or less in the market.
The one crowned as a failed product by Motley Fool last week (http://beta.fool.com/joekurtz/2013/04/06/microsofts-windows-8-has-failed-now-what/29367/)
So good luck finding that pot of gold full of Windows 8 games that will run on Nextbox that aren't fart simulators or the like.
If even half the leaks about nextbox are true, next Gen is stacked heavily in Sony's favor (streaming BC is really the only solid negative in their spec). It's their game to lose at this point. I love XBOX Live, but really have to wonder what is happening internally to crank out a product with the specs that are rumored.
Neuromancer
Member
This shit gets grimmer and grimmer every day. The reveal can't come soon enough.
YodaGoneMad
Banned
??? No he is talking about a system that does exist and he has some factual insider knowledge about, rather than the sensationalist crap all the media has been foisting. As he said, no one except a very few insiders have actually seen the new Xbox. All the people that have seen it, from developers to Gamestop, say it is an extremely good system. The only people who hate it are those with no real information.
They could have just put a focus group in a room with a bunch of 720s, then turned their internet access off. Then have another focus group watch the first group. That would be a lot easier and less messy.
This is hilarious.
Okay so the rumors are that the next xbox will cost more money, require kinect to play, require online connection, and it won't be able to play used games?
Seriously, I find this shit impossible to believe. How would any of this help Microsoft gain more marketshare and/or increase revenue? Blocking used games would bring more money in but less people will buy it for that reason; not to mention that it would kill half their marketshare. If it always online considering almost 50 percent of the people who own xbox's dont connect them to live and most of the one's who do are not always connected to the internet. Kinect is getting less and less focus from MS, it will not be required especially since a lot of people could not use it because of space requirements. Finally, $500 launch price? After they saw how terribly PS3 Sold after it first came out? Not gonna happen.
MS like Sony and Nintendo are in this to make money and gain marketshare, these rumors can't be true for the simple fact that it would reverse all that they have done in the last 8 years. I know people here like to think MS is stupid but if they were they would not be worth 200 Billion Dollars.
Seriously, I find this shit impossible to believe. How would any of this help Microsoft gain more marketshare and/or increase revenue? Blocking used games would bring more money in but less people will buy it for that reason; not to mention that it would kill half their marketshare. If it always online considering almost 50 percent of the people who own xbox's dont connect them to live and most of the one's who do are not always connected to the internet. Kinect is getting less and less focus from MS, it will not be required especially since a lot of people could not use it because of space requirements. Finally, $500 launch price? After they saw how terribly PS3 Sold after it first came out? Not gonna happen.
MS like Sony and Nintendo are in this to make money and gain marketshare, these rumors can't be true for the simple fact that it would reverse all that they have done in the last 8 years. I know people here like to think MS is stupid but if they were they would not be worth 200 Billion Dollars.
I think the Kinect, or something like it, can be revolutionary for sports titles. The bowling in Kinect Sports is a small window of what could be. Years from now, I would love to see a game where we can actually fight Ali or Tyson. Golf, Tennis, Baseball could be replicated almost exactly. I don't think we're too far from that. That's why I don't mind giving technology like this a chance.
And yet he is contributing to the same gossip mill.