I'm going to assume a fair few gamers know. The story spread everywhere, even to NBC, Yahoo, Huffington Post etc.
[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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I'm going to assume a fair few gamers know. The story spread everywhere, even to NBC, Yahoo, Huffington Post etc.
Microsoft throwing a billion dollars into a carpet-bombing ad campaign will make the masses forget, and maybe even some of the hardcore who would comprise the early adopters.
Yeah, after reading it again I thougth it was a mute point, hence I removed it...
SquiddyCracker
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Sorry, didn't notice the edit in time.
It's actually difficult to tell who's trolling and who's being serious anymore.
Frankfurter
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To be fair the 7 continents count is just as arbitrary as any other one and afaik depending on how you "count" any number from 4 to 7 continents is possible (with N/S America sometimes counting as one, sometimes as two, Europe/Asia/Africa sometimes one, sometimes two, sometimes three, Antarctica sometimes one, sometimes not at all etc.).
I'd say the only thing that everybody agrees with is that Australia/Oceania is a continent on its own.
grimshawish
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This has failed time and time again though. Marketing money doesn't create sales.
Truespeed
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They threw a Billion+ at marketing Windows 8 too.
Why this thread suddenly became about teaching basic geography to someone who thinks Africa is in Europe. What :lol
@shinra: From what I've gathered, he's very reliable on Microsoft stuff, but creamhackered (supposudely Tom Warren from Verge) said that he said wrong things about Stingray's infos and pricing. At first I thought the pricing part was referring to Durango, but now I wonder if he were referring still to Stingray, actually.
@shinra: From what I've gathered, he's very reliable on Microsoft stuff, but creamhackered (supposudely Tom Warren from Verge) said that he said wrong things about Stingray's infos and pricing. At first I thought the pricing part was referring to Durango, but now I wonder if he were referring still to Stingray, actually.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I like you. Although most won't get the reference.
CouldBeWorse
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Please do explain. I was not aware of that.
And they threw 500 million at Kinect, which was a success.
The Xbox is a powerful brand. Microsoft and Windows may no longer be, but that really isn't indicative of what the Xbox - which they have very carefully guarded from the rest of Microsoft's branding and image - can do.
I'm not saying I personally believe that, but that's probably what Microsoft is betting on.
Word of mouth is still the best marketing. Don't have positive reinforcement from people you know, which is likely enthusiasts too, your product isn't moving.
I thought this seemed right. But I just investigated this "Germany" you keep bringing up.
The two most famous animals from that "country" are Knut the polar bear and Paul the octopus.
Those don't live in Europe. One of them doesn't even live on a continent. It lives in the part that isn't a continent!
You tried to pull a fast one on me but I saw through your shenanigans.
grimshawish
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The idea was a seller, the tech was broken. The idea behind the next Xbox appears to be Kinect 2.0 and Always Online.
Kinect stopped selling a year after release. 1.0 is dead.
You sure about this?
Besides, it's not like they're going to be selling the 720 on the idea of "ANTI-CONSUMER FEATURES!"
It's just that they're going to downplay those and emphasize the "ideas"/features the masses want - Halo, CoD, and Kinect shit - and bombard you with that for months, so that even people with reservations go over the tipping point into becoming buyers.
CouldBeWorse
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Enthusiasts have much less power than they think. See Wii. See Kinect.
WrenchNinja
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shinra-bansho
Member
Interesting.
Either Kinect 2.0 is very expensive, there really are two APUs in the box (lol), or some amount of the above and they're also simply trying to gouge early adopters for profit.
I guess if you can only make a few million units to sell worldwide at launch anyway, and you think that you can still sell them at ~$500 you may as well.
Psychoward
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Thanks for reaffirming my decision to upgrade my PC or go PS4 next gen Microsoft.
yeah, 2.5" SCSI 10K drive isnt going anywhere near mass market device. Not even sure if anyone does 2.5" SCSI drives anymore? They are used in servers and some old school Macs long time ago. It is not something you put into gaming consoles.
Read up on your technology.
If any good comes from this, it'll be Balmer finally being fired, so there's that.
Xbox 360 is still topping the NPD chart every month and has done since Kinect launched. It is no coincidence, even if the standalone Kinect isn't selling anymore.
I agree, my 72 year old mother told me about getting a Kinect without even knowing if I had an Xbox at home...
She doesn't have a clue about windows, xbox, or anything... but she's the kind of demographic that gets caught in that kind of marketing...
When I was young she hatted videogames (and to some extent, she still does), and now she tells me what to buy? I'd say that's a very compelling marketing campaign...
Iacobellis
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$500 for the 720 doesn't seem unreasonable. We are talking about the same company that sells Windows 8 for $200 (OS X is $20).
$100m on Bing when it was re-branded/launched as well.
Just shows that throwing money at a product that's clearly, obviously inferior to its main competitor doesn't guarantee market-share or success. In Bing's case, it's Google, with Win 8, it's main rival is Win 7. With the Xbox, they're going to have a real fight against (by all account) the more powerful, more attractive, more open PS4.
grimshawish
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Yes. It sold fucking loads very quickly but hasn't sold much at all since.
Success by all means but the idea/device just didn't hold peoples attention long term.
10101
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Hmmm dya not think hat might have been sarcasm? Perhaps? No?
Lactose_Intolerant
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More likely die on stage from dehydration from sweating so much.
Square Triangle
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Has there been a single positive rumor regarding the next Xbox?
grimshawish
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Wii died and 360 is the go to for third parties for the NA audience.
SlipperySlope
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Third console curse?
Let's see here...
Nintendo... N64. Yeah, many mistakes.
Sony.... PS3. Many mistakes.
Atari... 7200? Didn't the 5400 screw them first? Or whatever it was called?
Sega... Saturn. Agree here. People say the Dreamcast killed Sega. It was the Saturn. Such a clusterfuck for them.
Possible PGR5 and maybe Crackdown 3, that's all I can think of... :-/
Coulomb_Barrier
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I don't think so RE PS4 price. You have to remember we are talking about a launch in six months time, not tomorrow.
I think there is credence to the opinion that the Xbox Next will be the more expensive of the two. In the box you have:
Kinect 2.0
Windows 8
1 TB hard-drive
Xbox 3.0 with full DVR capabilities.
And just look at the cost of the Surface Pro to get an idea of a comparable price of a system that runs a full Windows 8 os = $900 iirc.
Not so hard to see the Xbox Next premium going for $499.
KingJ2002
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I really dont care much about disc-based backwards compatibility because i really dont play older titles outside of the xbox live marketplace.
with that said... microsoft might have just lost me as a customer if the following occurs:
- No compatibility with marketplace content on the newer system
- Needs to constantly be online to function... even with regular single player titles
- Weaker than the PS4.. launch lineup is full of "been there done that" titles.
- Priced at 499.99
with that said... microsoft might have just lost me as a customer if the following occurs:
- No compatibility with marketplace content on the newer system
- Needs to constantly be online to function... even with regular single player titles
- Weaker than the PS4.. launch lineup is full of "been there done that" titles.
- Priced at 499.99
Eh, I don't know what your criteria is for a brand to be "powerful" but Microsoft still pulled in $56 billion in gross profit last year. Seems kinda powerful to me.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=MSFT+Income+Statement&annual
(Granted, Xbox division is included in these profits)
Windows 8 may have been a blunder in the home market, but just about every business PC is running a windows OS.
YodaGoneMad
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The short version is that Microsoft is trying to make a Wii-like move with Durango. They are hoping the nifty stuff with Kinect 2.0 in every box will get them major media coverage. For example a UI that can run off the camera, or the ability to control movies and such without a remote. All the coverage you mentioned is website stuff, combined I doubt it all has more than a million views. If Microsoft catches major media attention with their whole augmented reality no controller required stuff they can end up on all the major nightly news, morning news, and afternoon talk programs. That could net them exposure and mind share that is basically unheard of. It is that sort of coverage that drove Wii sales, and that is basically what Microsoft wants. They don't want the normal paltry launch year numbers, they want to be the next iPad.
Maybe everybody is right.
From universetoday:
How Many Continents Are There?
The current tectonic plates.
Not everyone on this planet is in agreement as with regards to the total number of continents. So how many continents are there then, according to the disagreeing parties?
Well, in Russia, Eastern Europe and Japan, the people there consider the continents of Europe and Asia as one, known as Eurasia. In other places in the world, North and South America are combined as one American continent while separating Europe and Asia instead. Thus, according to these two views, there should only be 6 continents.
There are even geographical views that prefer the presence of both a Eurasian as well as one American continent. These geographers therefore contend that there should only be 5 continents.
And if you thought that would be the lowest number, think again. There are others still who are more comfortable with a 4-continent view.
Where I come from there are five continents:
America
Asia
Africa
Australia
Europe
So you all ar smart people.
Ol No Bones
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Can't wait for the announcement. It's this and ps4 or ps4 and maxwell gpu 2014. I would like to wait for Volta if I can.
I'm pretty sure Kinect sold over 20 million. I'll post the accurate numberafter a bit of Googling. It is by no means a failure.
Diablohead
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super cheap 360 is interesting to me, depends on it's size, hdd, noise and heat but I can see myself buying one.
Sold well, but how often is it used by the people who bought it? I received mine as a gift and just today got a free Child of Eden code from a fellow Gaffer and now I need to actually figure out which box it has been in this past 13 months.