frankie_baby
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When the state (or housing assocuations) does it vastly cheaper and with far better service, whats the problem
Margaret Thatcher has died
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When the state (or housing assocuations) does it vastly cheaper and with far better service, whats the problem
CHEEZMO™;53120577 said:
Fucking perfect.
As expected, the Thatcher love in on the rolling news channels is sickening. Whatever you think of her, you have to admit that Thatcher was divisive, that a lot of people really, truly hate her. You would never know any of that watching the news, she is being painted as some sort of saint for fucks sake.
Arsenal2022
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Did you see the article posted above about social housing which is now controlled by private landlords?
Britain's housing market is inflated, and cannot function, particularly in London and the South East of England without social housing - indeed one of London's greatest characteristics is the fact that rich and poor do live side by side.
Remove that and you end up with the cleansing of the poor from our cities (which is happening now to some extent given the benefit caps) and the resulting loss of social mobility because of that.
Had Thatcher not sold off so much of the housing stock, the crisis regarding housing would be nowhere near as bad.
North Korea has nothing to do with it, social housing is vital as a free market, particular in this increasingly global economy, would price even the middle classes out of the cities where their jobs are.
What? I'm confused. Who wants what imposed by Jupiter?
Davey Cakes
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Death seems to bring out the "culture of nice" on the news.
CyclopsRock
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NekoFever
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They only thought they could get away with it because Thatcher's government was reducing the size of the Royal Navy, including withdrawing from the south Atlantic.
He works......
Also, if all the income you receive is from the state, who is paying your bills?
CyclopsRock
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As a trend you are almost certainly right, but those upper-class North Koreans would - rightly - be told that they are letting their personal experience cloud a more objective look at the situation. If you think she's a witch, fine, but being from X place doesn't a) act as a justification in itself nor does it b) lend any weight to the opinion. If anything, it detracts from it, as per your example of the North Korean privileged family.
captainnapalm
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Where are the true voices of the left to echo those opinions, though? Not in politics, not on TV, not in the media.
The Guardian may have a piece.
Just checked on what was said on the end of the last 'normal' Bugle (March 22nd):
"And in fact for the next two weeks we're going to be off for Easter and for John to go to Australia"
Looks like it's back this Friday. Excellent timing.
They then go on to promise an Australian special. I suspect that might be put back a week.
"And in fact for the next two weeks we're going to be off for Easter and for John to go to Australia"
Looks like it's back this Friday. Excellent timing.
They then go on to promise an Australian special. I suspect that might be put back a week.
I was not talking about any specific person merely the assertion the gov paid your bills.
I'm against right wing misinformation about the benefits system. One of my faults.
Why are you so insistent that people be dishonest about their opinions? She wasn't well respected by some folks. Why should they pretend otherwise because she's dead?
The media will produce a non-stop flow of hagiography and historical revisionism on her behalf. Great politicians will fete her in long winded eulogies. Given that, what exactly is wrong with people expressing their honest opinions regarding what sort of person she was?
CHEEZMO
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Grauniad's full of wanky liberals.
Probably correct but her response was true leadership. When weaker men were fretting around she stood firm.
She got the poll tax wrong though, my god did she get the poll tax wrong
That was a shame. Poor poor people.And the people voted for Thatcher repeatedly
PJV3
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The wacky 'freedom from the state' thing belongs in US politics, there's a section of the right who like to pretend its the enemy.
North Korean council estates.
captainnapalm
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CHEEZMO;53123331 said:
The best of a bad bunch.
If all the income you receive is from the state, who is paying your bills?
Hardly special, the current RN is half the size it was after the Falklands thanks to fairly brutal budget cuts.
We are now down to 6 destroyers. woop.
Probably correct but her response was true leadership. When weaker men were fretting around she stood firm.
She got the poll tax wrong though, my god did she get the poll tax wrong
Yup.
She did.
Trying to defend against a sea based invasion is probably the least of our worries though?
Oh you edited. Often noone and if you want to go down that rabbit hole if someone has ever contributed to the system they are getting back their money from the social security system.
I'm sure you'll now wheel out the absurd low percentage of people who have never worked.
I'm not even British and yet I know Thatcher but have never heard of Cher until this. Is something wrong with me or am I functionning correctly?
kurtrussell
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Probably correct but her response was true leadership. When weaker men were fretting around she stood firm.
She got the poll tax wrong though, my god did she get the poll tax wrong
Wasn't the poll tax inherently fairer than the council tax though?
8 adults living in a house on poll tax each paid their fair share. 8 adults in a house on council tax just pay 1/8th of the council tax.
A single adult living in a house on poll tax paid exactly the same as each of the 8 adults on poll tax. However, a single adult living in a house on council tax pays 3/4 of the council tax as opposed to the 1/8th paid by one of the 8 adults.
Left wing idealists prevented the poll tax and ended up with something far worse IMHO.
CHEEZMO
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True, I guess.
From Facebook:
I should note that - as far as *my* feed's concerned - the only other post on the subject is extremely calm and measured (observing that she's going to be debated for years to come, which is perfectly fair). This is the most vitriolic post on it.
Thatcher, one of the very few great British PMs dead.Unsurprisingly, the shameless oafs of the 'respectful' 'tolerant' left are out in force on FB and elsewhere dancing on her grave. One of my favourite of her one liners, "it's not the creation of wealth that is wrong, but the love of money for its own sake". RIP.
I should note that - as far as *my* feed's concerned - the only other post on the subject is extremely calm and measured (observing that she's going to be debated for years to come, which is perfectly fair). This is the most vitriolic post on it.
PJV3
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It's not like people are lobbing rocks at her family home. She would prefer people were honest, that's the only thing "good" I can say about her. she loved a fight and played hard.
It was you that claimed something wrong but cool I don't enjoy conversing and navigating your ad homs. Also claiming something is a straw man doesn't make it so.
I'll be back the next time you spread misinformation.
Good day Sir.
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For those unaware, she's the Reagan of Britain. Except the majority of Brits don't like her for what she has done, whereas its the exact opposite with Reagan in the US.
True enough. They were both pretty bad solutions. The bad thing about the poll tax was it directly impacted the poor.
One idea she put into practice that I thought had a lot of merit was the enterprise allowance. Not sure how well it did in practice but it was a good idea.
CHEEZMO;53121825 said:
What I don't get is, how did this happen? I was under the impression that RTB discounts were dependent on the prospective purchaser having resided in the property for a number of years. In essence, to own 5 ex-council houses, you'd need to either live in 5 council houses for a number of years, or persuade recent purchasers to sell on their property at the reduced rate, leaving them with the burden of repaying the discount. How did private landlords acquire large portfolios of ex-council properties?
I'm wondering if that will change in 20-30 years.
He works. (In case you forgot.)
How long did the repayment of discounts apply?
We had a massive property price boom around 97-99 which stuff literally tripled in price over a short space of time, I would imagine a lot cashed in to the buy to let guys who were buying houses on 110% mortgages and cashing in further...... I bought a place around 98 for £35k which I sold in 2005 for £110,000.
It was my first house and I was very lucky I guess, obviously the new place I bought was also exponentially higher, but I had a large deposit (On paper.) which meant I could get a better mortgage rate which I still have. 1.25% is the rate I'm currently paying thanks to my lifetime tracker mortgage.
-Plasma Reus-
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A lot of this has to do with the image of the Britain that has to be portrayed to the rest of the world. Britain can't look divisive, even if it means revisionist history is implemented as a resort. But take solace in the fact that enough people feel like they have been screwed over. There are enough people who will never forget to remind their children and young ones of the fact.
For Britain or the US?
Never spoke on a specific individual. Even if I did you'd still be spreading non facts regarding bills paid.
But please continue. I won't be replying to your nonsense anymore on this subject.
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The discount only had to be repaid until the minimum period of 5 years had elapsed, then it could be sold at market rate and a healthy profit so over the years the houses got sold as the buyers and their descendants cashed in. Since you're talking about an Act put in place in the 1980 and not significantly changed until 1997 (when Labour significantly reduced the discount which led to a bit of a housing bubble but that's a different story), that's 17 years of the housing stock getting depleted moving into private hands, and 33 years of houses bought on the cheap moving into the private market.
We were talking specifically about the guy who claimed he had £53 per week to live on to Ian Duncan Smith and he challenged him to live on the same?
What on earth are you on about?
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