phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I've gathered as many quotes as I can. Might have missed some. Have edited most to make this shorter.
Mostly at the time we had no way of knowing what their people wanted, there not being elections (or at least sensible elections) and suchlike. That tended to make international relations very much a matter of support whoever is in power now because that's all you've got. Anything else and you're immediately faced with charges of colonialism. It wasn't easy.
Don't know if you remember what it was like in the '70s. Getting a loan for anything was impossible without a somewhat formal interview with a scary bank manager, who typically wouldn't lend you anything unless you had enough income/proof of credit record etc. Dammit, it was even hard to open a bank account even if you had an income. Deregulation was needed, the competition we have now is a huge improvement (though sure it has its downsides), but there's a big old difference between deregulation up to 1997, and almost total lack of regulation post 1997. Usually I'm reluctant to pin changes on a change of government (everything is way more complicated than that) but this one was the flagship day 1 New Labour thing and it went horribly wrong.
Not that old. I think it was Harold Wilson. But then, in his time, a week was a long time in politics (and I think the average time between governments was only a year or two).
Ah, thanks. Must go check up on that - would explain a lot if true. I'll have to dig around a bit and will get back.
Yeah, but that isn't the same as "she supported apartheid" which is what I was questioning. I don't think it is necessarily shameful either, since we only know (if we know, and I don't) that sanctions were decisive in hindsight. I do remember the Basil D'Oliviera episode though.
And Rab Butler.
Mostly at the time we had no way of knowing what their people wanted, there not being elections (or at least sensible elections) and suchlike. That tended to make international relations very much a matter of support whoever is in power now because that's all you've got. Anything else and you're immediately faced with charges of colonialism. It wasn't easy.
Don't know if you remember what it was like in the '70s. Getting a loan for anything was impossible without a somewhat formal interview with a scary bank manager, who typically wouldn't lend you anything unless you had enough income/proof of credit record etc. Dammit, it was even hard to open a bank account even if you had an income. Deregulation was needed, the competition we have now is a huge improvement (though sure it has its downsides), but there's a big old difference between deregulation up to 1997, and almost total lack of regulation post 1997. Usually I'm reluctant to pin changes on a change of government (everything is way more complicated than that) but this one was the flagship day 1 New Labour thing and it went horribly wrong.
Not that old. I think it was Harold Wilson. But then, in his time, a week was a long time in politics (and I think the average time between governments was only a year or two).
Ah, thanks. Must go check up on that - would explain a lot if true. I'll have to dig around a bit and will get back.
Yeah, but that isn't the same as "she supported apartheid" which is what I was questioning. I don't think it is necessarily shameful either, since we only know (if we know, and I don't) that sanctions were decisive in hindsight. I do remember the Basil D'Oliviera episode though.
And Rab Butler.
