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[Takuya]

I think it'll work with existing 360s too.

The solution is essentially 'keep your 360 plugged in and use that' But it unifies the user interface between the two systems so there's less to juggle to use your old system and new system.

Through which port exactly?

Won't work via USB, can't use LAN since that can be used for internet connection for the 360 (which you cannot pass through HDMI), etc.

They're going to milk every user like they've been milking them this whole generation:
- Want online? Pay
- Want BC? Pay

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Have some doubt on LAN capability.

Because the LAN will not only need at least 10MB/s (based on 16x DVD drive throughput), but also keep stable 3~4 MB/s for 360 video /audio being streamed back.

Everything should be well sync-ed. Therefore I think HDMI input will be there for Durango.

gigabit ethernet ports would solve that problem wouldn't they?

 

[Reiko]

Thurott did say there will be two Xboxes...

 

[iceatcs]

LOL, how is this different than just keeping your 360 side by side with a Durango?

Not much, but maybe they will overlay new OS on 360 game, so that you can have later OS features.

 

[Haunted Tank]

LOL, how is this different than just keeping your 360 side by side with a Durango?

The addon thing is probably a lot smaller, plus you can access everything from the Durango unit.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit

That sounds weird. The cheaper Xbox unit requires a high quality always-on internet connection (which costs much in some areas)? And why would there be always-on for some old games for which most people won't care much? I do understand the need for an internet connection when there is no optical drive, but not always-on. And I don't think the BC capability will use a real network (ethernet or wlan)... they would have to stream the data from the disc to the BC unit and (probably) back, I guess it will have a dedicated port to connect both units.

 

[Mascot]

TWO pieces of hardware? How utterly preposterous.

 

[gofreak]

It's why I think Durango will have HDMI input, then all 360 SKU can be the media extender to Durango

The rumours are that it will have a HDMI-in, but that it's for connecting a cable box or whatever. I don't know if they'll want to encourage you to use this for 360 if that's the case.

Through which port exactly?

Won't work via USB, can't use LAN since that can be used for internet connection for the 360

I'm not sure I follow. It should be perfectly feasible to establish a connection between a 360 and Durango on the same local network (while each also being connected to the internet if you want etc).

I think the problem in the network connection scenario is whether an existing 360 will be able to serve a game stream to a Durango - i.e. if that can be squeezed into existing OS resources, or would require something more than existing 360's can provide.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Stop projecting dude

You need to calm down, replying everyone with opposing ideas as you must take a toll. Your logic is twisted and you are not making any sense as has been pointed out by many in this thread

Oh lord. Nothing about logic is twisted. Perhaps your outlook is too far blinkered to actually see what I'm talking about. I've made my position clear, I simply couldn't make it clearer.

If you have an issue with it, eh. You've said nothing that brings my position into question, all you've done is make it clear that you hadn't actually read the OP and generally acting passive aggressive that someone who can see the benefits in this approach.

As I said, you need to calm down.

 

[enzo_gt]

Updated thread title is still wrong. It's not an add-on, it's through a mini 360 SKU. Also should mention plays used games.

 

[XtremeXpider]

That sounds weird. The cheaper Xbox unit requires a high quality always-on internet connection (which costs much in some areas)? And why would there be always-on for some old games for which most people won't care much? I do understand the need for an internet connection when there is no optical drive, but not always-on.

Current Xbox 360 need online connection if DRM "per console" is absent.

 

[DragonSworne]

Updated thread title is still wrong. It's not an add-on, it's through a mini 360 SKU. Also should mention plays used games.

Where does it say it's not an add on?

 

[BigDug13]

I'm most excited because the continued focus on the 360 generation and at least adding the ability to bring that generation's content forward means that they won't shut down the content in the LIVE store so quickly. I was worried that once my 360 died in a few years, that redownloading Rock Band songs and other DLC content would become impossible due to their removal from the store. Carrying this generation's content forward better ensures that it won't happen...at least not very soon.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

Don't forget Gaikai. Although with all the people who have spotty connections/poor speeds, that's probably not an option.

That was hinted at being 'something we're looking into', and 'down the road'. I can see it being at least a few years out, and by then the PS4 should have a decent enough library that needing BC (most appreciated at the start of a gen) is somewhat diminished.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That sounds weird. The cheaper Xbox unit requires a high quality always-on internet connection (which costs much in some areas)? And why would there be always-on for some old games for which most people won't care much? I do understand the need for an internet connection when there is no optical drive, but not always-on.

Licences. Similarly to how the current 360 works if you don't transfer your licences when you buy a new console. As you can't transfer the licences to the Durango, it would need an internet connection.

High quality connection? What?

 

[Takuya]

The rumours are that it will have a HDMI-in, but that it's for connecting a cable box or whatever. I don't know if they'll want to encourage you to use this for 360 if that's the case.



I'm not sure I follow. It should be perfectly feasible to establish a connection between a 360 and Durango on the same local network (while each also being connected to the internet if you want etc).

I think the problem in the network connection scenario is whether an existing 360 will be able to serve a game stream to a Durango - i.e. if that can be squeezed into existing OS resources, or would require something more than existing 360's can provide.

Kind of crap to have to dedicate network resources to be able to run games you already own... over the network... when you can not waste network resources by running them natively on your current machine.

 

[XtremeXpider]

Where does it say it's not an add on?

It is on vgleaks article.

 

[Reiko]

Me too. Was joking - you know, before the always-online discussions (which I think were completely made up by MS to deny it again with another bunch of leaks to distract from the HW discussions and keep the expectations low - tinfoil hat ahoy!) MS lost the battle already because of 0.6 TFlops.

Heh.

 

[DieH@rd]

Must be always online, but not for local gaming? Doesn't that contradict itself?

Yes it does.

 

[itsgreen]

Still call bullshit on this rumour.

 

[Justin]

That sounds weird. The cheaper Xbox unit requires a high quality always-on internet connection (which costs much in some areas)? And why would there be always-on for some old games for which most people won't care much? I do understand the need for an internet connection when there is no optical drive, but not always-on.

Not really it says it is going to be competing with Apple so think of it as more of a media box for Netflix, HBO etc.. that also will play games XBLA games. What is interesting to me is that if they want to compete with Apple TV or Roku then they can't charge for live on that box

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Licences. Similarly to how the current 360 works if you don't transfer your licences when you buy a new console. As you can't transfer the licences to the 360, it would need an internet connection.

That sounds inconvenient.

High quality connection? What?

A connection which doesn't fail a lot? I guess in some areas internet isn't as stable as in other areas.

 

[dragonbane]

Yes. When my current 360 dies, I don't intend to buy another one if this news is true. I can simply buy this add on along with the Durango and I'll have access to all my Live Arcade titles as well as GoD titles and my disc games.

I don't lose access to thousands of pounds of content and can continue to buy games from Live Arcade, happy in the knowledge that those games will carry over if I'm willing to spend a little more.

A much better solution than streaming or having to worry about what will happen to my content when my console dies and said console isn't as readily available on the market as they are now.

You don't get it. Xbox Mini is a 360. Just a new model of the 360. Not an add on. Sony will also make a new model of the PS3 that costs $150 or less. The only new thing here is the streaming feature. Sony can do the same easily.

 

[DragonSworne]

Not really it says it is going to be competing with Apple so think of it as more of a media box for Netflix, HBO etc.. that also will play games XBLA games. What is interesting to me is that if they want to compete with Apple TV or Roku then they can't charge for live on that box

MS thought they could compete with the iPad but they charged more for surface.

 

[TheVoidDragon]

I really hope this is true. Nice to see some more positive rumors for once. The idea of an attachment for Backwards compatability sounds better than what the PS4 suggested (Having to rebuy all your games)

Read again. Both Durango and X360 must be always online, but it seems not for local gaming.

I don't see what the problem is if it can still be used without a connection. Have i missed something?

 

[statham]

This makes me feel better about buying XBLA games now.

 

[opticalmace]

Still call bullshit on this rumour.

Why's that?

 

[spookyfish]

Does this new system have backwards compatibility?

"Yes! For only 149 American dollars!"

 

[GavinGT]

Where does it say it's not an add on?

You think they'd try to compete with AppleTV by offering a device that only functions if you first purchase a $500 Durango? Why even bother when Durango already does everything 360 mini does and more? Besides, the article speaks of the devices as two separate consoles. What you're suggesting isn't logical.

Through which port exactly?

Won't work via USB, can't use LAN since that can be used for internet connection for the 360 (which you cannot pass through HDMI), etc.

They're going to milk every user like they've been milking them this whole generation:
- Want online? Pay
- Want BC? Pay

Even if it turns out current 360 models won't interface with Durango, I don't think it's so outrageous to just use your existing 360 as you do now. If you desperately want both platforms unified under one roof, you buy the 360 mini. It would certainly be cool if they made current 360s work, but that's not a deal-breaker at all.

 

[oVerde]

Have some doubt on LAN capability.

Because the LAN will not only need at least 10MB/s (based on 16x DVD drive throughput), but also keep stable 3~4 MB/s for 360 video /audio being streamed back.

Everything should be well sync-ed. Therefore I think HDMI input will be there for Durango.

My Guess¹:
The Mini Xbox is a full actual xbox without disc tray and shrinked, so the video and audio would be processed locally and only Disc Based BC non XBLA/OnDemand would need the Durango LAN stream.

My Guess²:
The Mini Xbox don't have any a/v outputs, neither controller input, and is cable networked to Durango who deals with everything else and Mini Xbox do just the BC logical stuffs.

 

[chris0701]

VGLeaks has updated their feature.

The “Xbox Mini” is not a 360 add-on, it is a stand alone product that contains Xbox 360 functions for gaming

So you can play Xbox360 game with 360 mini itself.

 

[XtremeXpider]

That sounds inconvenient.



A connection which doesn't fail a lot?

It is how current Xbox 360 works, if you don't have the console licence for the game, you need to be logged to Xbox Live to play (with the gamertag who buy the game).

 

[Reiko]

VGLeaks has updated their feature.



So you can play Xbox360 game with 360 mini itself.

MEGATON?

 

[Phreaker]

Very interesting

Does this new system have backwards compatibility?

"Yes! For only 149 American dollars!"

Well, that is kind of how 360 was too. You HAD to have a HDD to use BC.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

That sounds inconvenient.

A connection which doesn't fail a lot? I guess in some areas internet isn't as stable as in other areas.

Not at all that different from how the current set up works on 360 if you don't transfer your licences, it's not really an issue in the long run.

I suppose it is inconvenient in the sense that you can't play BC when you're connection is down, but the upside is you'll have full hardware based BC that entirely optional.

 

[Bsigg12]

This makes me feel better about buying XBLA games now.

Makes me feel better about buying 360 games in general. With Saints Row 4 and GTA 5 both on the way, being able to play those on the Durango regardless of the method will be nice.

 

[Kyoufu]

VGLeaks has updated their feature.



So you can play Xbox360 game with 360 mini itself.

I'm so confused. So does it still connect to the Durango?

 

[ekim]

VGLeaks has updated their feature.



So you can play Xbox360 game with 360 mini itself.

That's what I originally assumed from reading the article.

Edit: meaning, people thought you will need the addon, a 360 vanilla or slim and a Durango?

 

[Takuya]

MEGATON?

No, you're buying a mini-360... to play 360 games, what's so great about that? It's essentially a 360 revision.

From the rumor, seems like this "mini-360" may not even have a disc drive, so, digital only (rebuy your games) or, coupled with a Durango, you can play your disc games.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

I really hope this is true. Nice to see some more positive rumors for once. The idea of an attachment for Backwards compatability sounds better than what the PS4 suggested (Having to rebuy all your games)

Absolutely.

No, you're buying a mini-360... to play 360 games, what's so great about that? It's essentially a 360 revision.

Isn't it worse than that? If your Durango bites the dust, or you want to sell it, that mini 360 becomes a paperweight along with your 360 games. You're better off buying a cheap 360.

 

[Oppo]

Not at all that different from how the current set up works on 360 if you don't transfer your licences, it's not really an issue in the long run.

I suppose it is inconvenient in the sense that you can't play BC when you're connection is down, but the upside is you'll have full hardware based BC that entirely optional.

My current 360 is full hardware based BC that is entirely optional.

It's an interesting rumour, but I think it has the potential to be a very confusing strategy, marketing-wise.

 

[Espada]

VGLeaks has updated their feature.



So you can play Xbox360 game with 360 mini itself.

How? It says it doesn't have a disc drive.

BTW, this info is very good news for the Durango. Things were looking kind of hairy with the kind of stuff we kept hearing about it.

 

[jbug617]

I'm so confused. So does it still connect to the Durango?

It can. It can also be used for downloading games and using apps.

 

[UrbanRats]

Xbox back in the game, if true.
Great.

 

[SonnyMarrow]

How is there so much confusion? I thought the article was pretty specific and described things well? Is reading really that difficult?

 

[Tripolygon]

Don't forget Gaikai. Although with all the people who have spotty connections/poor speeds, that's probably not an option.

Or you could you know, keep your PS3 and Xbox360 the simplest solution. Oh but spotty connections and what not and what if they stop making PS3s and Xbox360s.

 

[Reiko]

No, you're buying a mini-360... to play 360 games, what's so great about that? It's essentially a 360 revision.

This was the rumored new Xbox 360 with TV functionality.

The always online Xbox.

 

[stktt]

How? It says it doesn't have a disc drive.

BTW, this info is very good news for the Durango. Things were looking kind of hairy with the kind of stuff we kept hearing about it.

XBLA and GoD titles.

 

[Bsigg12]

How? It says it doesn't have a disc drive.

BTW, this info is very good news for the Durango. Things were looking kind of hairy with the kind of stuff we kept hearing about it.

XBLA and Games on Demand. It's an all digital device, that when working in conjunction with the Durango, allow the Durango's drive to be used to play disc based 360 games as well as allowing access to digitally downloaded 360 titles (XBLA and GoD).

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Microsoft should make the Mini their XBLA focused console. Make the 360 dev kits dirt cheap and tell the indies to have at it.