PJV3
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Shame we got rid of the Ha'penny, even more effective.
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Margaret Thatcher has died
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Shame we got rid of the Ha'penny, even more effective.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Her grandkids are American? Unexpected.
Diprosalic
Banned
my scottish teacher showed up in a clowns uniform today. i guess he is happy.
digoutyoursoul
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"Thatcher is reviled in parts of the country that are less important" - , Charles Moore on Radio Five Live.
Guerrillas in the Mist
Member
I wonder if he's pro-union as well...
digoutyoursoul
Member
It's a detestable thing to say, no better than the grave dancers
Financial Dereuglation
- Promoted instability, and channeled volatility at home and abroad
- Has created zero wealth (transfer payments only)
- Has enabled the transfer of wealth from those on lower incomes to those already well off
- City of London has now created the largest set of tax havens in the history of civilisation, helping to fleece literally the entire world.
Unmitigated disaster. I work in the City/West End FWIW.
Privatisation
Failures: All of them bar Telco's/airlines. No better service, higher costs, assets stripped and sold off.
There is a reason the 'market' doesn't work in industries's where monopolies are inherent and consumers have no choice. The reason for water shortages that occur more frequently is because the resevoirs have been sold off to PE funds across the world, drained and developed over.
I am not against privatisation. I am against privatisation of things which are so obviously incapable of fulfilling the requirements of a free market model vis-a-vis consumer sovreignty.
North Sea Oil
She spent all of this money on tax cuts (race to the bottom yay!) and paying out benefits to the millions of people that were left unemployed and homeless.
I am not going to defend Scargil or argue against the fact that the unions had gained too much power over industry. The way she resolved the issue though can not be supported. There should have been an effort to more slowly re-balanace the economy as there was in other countries. There was none. It is no surprise if you gut the primary source of income for entire communities of low-income workers you will create generational destitution. Which we are all currently paying for. This was her "price worth paying". Government is no longer interested in reducing unemployment.
Her legacy is of a hobbled national infrastructure, the completion of the corporate takeover of the political class and the promotion of the spiv economy. "There is no such thing as society".
She obliterated one-nation Toryism, it is now purely a party of the south and of a certain political class.
There are no metrics available which lend creedance to the idea she fixed Britain or made us better off. Growth in the 70s was exactly the same as growth in the 80s. The 70s were what she saved us from apparently...
GAF is by no means against the idea of free-markets. GAF is almost certainly against the idea of free-markets allowed to run wild, the libertarian philosophy which she followed as unshakable doctrine. Most people believe government has a role to play, to manage the excess (greed) of capitalism through regulation and redistribution of income, try and facilitate equal opportunties for lower-income children and the provision of merit goods.
She was a strong political figure. That is all. So was Stalin. FYI divisive is media code for "hated".
- Promoted instability, and channeled volatility at home and abroad
- Has created zero wealth (transfer payments only)
- Has enabled the transfer of wealth from those on lower incomes to those already well off
- City of London has now created the largest set of tax havens in the history of civilisation, helping to fleece literally the entire world.
Unmitigated disaster. I work in the City/West End FWIW.
Privatisation
Failures: All of them bar Telco's/airlines. No better service, higher costs, assets stripped and sold off.
There is a reason the 'market' doesn't work in industries's where monopolies are inherent and consumers have no choice. The reason for water shortages that occur more frequently is because the resevoirs have been sold off to PE funds across the world, drained and developed over.
I am not against privatisation. I am against privatisation of things which are so obviously incapable of fulfilling the requirements of a free market model vis-a-vis consumer sovreignty.
North Sea Oil
She spent all of this money on tax cuts (race to the bottom yay!) and paying out benefits to the millions of people that were left unemployed and homeless.
I am not going to defend Scargil or argue against the fact that the unions had gained too much power over industry. The way she resolved the issue though can not be supported. There should have been an effort to more slowly re-balanace the economy as there was in other countries. There was none. It is no surprise if you gut the primary source of income for entire communities of low-income workers you will create generational destitution. Which we are all currently paying for. This was her "price worth paying". Government is no longer interested in reducing unemployment.
Her legacy is of a hobbled national infrastructure, the completion of the corporate takeover of the political class and the promotion of the spiv economy. "There is no such thing as society".
She obliterated one-nation Toryism, it is now purely a party of the south and of a certain political class.
There are no metrics available which lend creedance to the idea she fixed Britain or made us better off. Growth in the 70s was exactly the same as growth in the 80s. The 70s were what she saved us from apparently...
GAF is by no means against the idea of free-markets. GAF is almost certainly against the idea of free-markets allowed to run wild, the libertarian philosophy which she followed as unshakable doctrine. Most people believe government has a role to play, to manage the excess (greed) of capitalism through regulation and redistribution of income, try and facilitate equal opportunties for lower-income children and the provision of merit goods.
She was a strong political figure. That is all. So was Stalin. FYI divisive is media code for "hated".
travisbickle
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If you create a similar GDP, but in an industry that employs less people, the wealth is spread amongst less people so your country looks richer!!
Little Old Man
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lol
Needs more acting lessons. Thatchers eyes will have more warmth in them.
The woman who started it wanted to show everybody watching around the world that the country was NOT united in grief, as the Tories like to project. She said that the Thatcher's were perfectly entitled to stage an intimate funeral of an appropriate size for a former PM, but since they chose instead to stage such a grand and expensive funeral for such a divisive figure, a silent protest is fair game.
wow lol
Nicktendo86
Member
Well quite a few people from my office popped out to see the coffin go past (I work on New Fetter Lane which is right on Fleet Street, 2 mins from the RCJ). Apparently the streets were packed, no sign of protest near us.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Not surprising from a toff tory ex-editor of the Telegraph. They probably have a shit circulation in the areas he's talking about anyway.
The Telegraph almost hired Kelvin Mackenzie recently, until the backlash after his first column made them think better of it.
The Telegraph almost hired Kelvin Mackenzie recently, until the backlash after his first column made them think better of it.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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I agree with all of this. Whenever people counter that the only alternative to Thatcher's policies was a sort of union-dominated hell, I want to slap them.
I actually respect him for bluntly saying what the Tories and the ruling class all think anyway. The Lib Dems and Labour aren't much better than the Tories in this regard. And yet everybody is meant to respect Thatcher's death and foot the bill for such a grandiose funeral.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Chyeah, too much clout.
HA, well there you go. Far Right ideology in a nutshell.
digoutyoursoul
Member
And it's one of the reasons why I get frustrated with this country. I'm fortunate to be in a good career and can do well but it's no excuse to patronise people like that, I just cannot tolerate snobs whatsoever, absolutely awful people in my opinion.
QuicheFontaine
Member
That Gideon tear is 'shopped, right?
I mean, come on.
I mean, come on.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Nope, saw it live on BBC. Had to switch off Sky News.
I personally don't think that the comment is anywhere near as disgusting as people rioting and looting and pillaging a town in celebration of someone's death.
I also don't think that the comment is anywhere near as disgusting as rocking up just to turn their back to the coffin as it passes by.
I'm finding it very hard to feel any sort of sympathy for these people, and it only strengthens my respect for her.
I also don't think that the comment is anywhere near as disgusting as rocking up just to turn their back to the coffin as it passes by.
I'm finding it very hard to feel any sort of sympathy for these people, and it only strengthens my respect for her.
Nicktendo86
Member
I don't understand why you would protest, she has been out of power for 23 years, was a democratically elected (three times) leader, Labour maintained most of her policies and now she is dead, what good will protesting do when they are burying her? I get people might not agree with her/want to protest her policies but I don't understand how the funeral is the event for that.
Little Old Man
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Because the people turning their backs or looting represent every person of the areas they come from right?
Of course not, but pray tell, why didn't you make an equal protestation when it was said that Charles Moore represented the right? Or are you engaging in double standards?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
10/10.
I mean you don't even live in the UK, I don't get it. You're about as disconnected and clueless as you can get. So, yknow, Conservative of course.
The media has been portraying her purely in a positive light. Sometimes people feel like another viewpoint has to be expressed and very publically lest history be in danger of being rewritten due to political correctness.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Two people were arrested in Brixton for looting on the night of her death. Two! Looting and pillaging indeed!
You should have included the following qualifier -- 'Rocking up' at a lavish and expensive state funeral, that we are ALL paying for! To register a protest at that and make known a distaste for all the eulogising is an entirely valid form of protest. The people who loved Thatcher aren't the only ones who live on the streets of Great Britain -- if the powers that be want to parade her through them, they'll have to put up with what people think of her.
And this tory twat's comments are pointedly directed at communities that have already been affected by this thankfully dead and gone harbinger of misery and inequality. There is literally nothing he can say that will be more hurtful or damaging to national equity than the legacy of Maggie Thatcher.
The annals of history will remember that she was not universally loved. Deal with it.
This is more or less the perfect review. Maybe mention the promotion of selfishness, but otherwise spot on.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I do, I think it's a disgusting, patronising and ignorant comment that creates even more hostility in a country that these days more than ever seems more about who has the most money rather than people themselves.
There's an incorrect assumption in your post which is that the number of people arrested is equal to the amount of troublemakers. This is not true, as over 6 police officers were injured, many others were assaulted by people throwing objects at them, and property was damaged, and defaced (including a cinema sign, a shop front, and a police car).
I don't care if people don't like her, and I don't want history re-written at all. People are allowed freedom of expression, but that very same freedom allows me to dislike manner of their protest as being inappropriate and in bad taste.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Local elections in May
Jesus Christ.
I half think that these types are doing all they can to make Scotland vote yes and rid themselves of a liberal chunk of the electorate.
Well I hope people remember when they get to the ballot box. That's if they can be assed to vote.
Though something tells me now the cuts have come and hit a lot of people with reality. There will be much more active voting.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Its okay, theres 31 trillion dollars out there sloshing around from all the most corrupt hoarders in the world that Maggie made possible with her legacy of the City and its tax havens.
Maybe we'll stop sticking it to the disabled soon and go after a miniscule slice of that!!!!!
QuicheFontaine
Member
Huh. That actually...makes complete sense.
PJV3
Member
At least funeral benefit seems to be on the up.
Little Old Man
Member
Funny that, I don't remember commenting on other members posts about his comments, nor saying his comments represent the right?
digoutyoursoul
Member
I will be voting, the trouble is I don't know who to vote for anymore. Shall we set up a GAF UK Party ?
Exactly my point. You didn't say anything. You singled me out. Hence why I'm saying you're applying a double standard.
digoutyoursoul
Member
£10m though, I just can't help but feel its a insult
Regarding the protests at the funeral:
Guardian said:
People turning their backs was done in a very measured way. I'm not going to defend the twenty-somethings who want to dance on her grave, but it's a free country, and I don't think there is much more to really be said about it. The 41 year-old mother who spawned the idea for people to turn their backs at the funeral is not representative of the incredibly small minority of people that damaged property and looted shops in the aftermath of her death. As Radiohead said, two people were arrested for looting after her death. This is hardly significant at all. And for what it's worth, there were zero arrests at the funeral today and the protests were silent and completely peaceful.
I find the media reaction to the funeral, the BBC's cowardice in refusing to play a song and the extravagant and massively expensive funeral for such a hated figure to be much more noteworthy.
The country obviously has deep social problems, as evidenced by the England riots in 2011. This stems from the deep inequality that was accelerated under Thatcher. I don't think it's fair to link the silent protests started by a 41 year old mother to those of literally two mindless idiots who decided to loot a few shops and damage property.
Maybe we just have different priorities, but a comment from a former editor of the Telegraph, one of the biggest Tories in the country, saying what everybody in his party privately thinks, that areas of the country where Thatcher is reviled are less important, is much more disgusting than a silent protest at an over-extravagant funeral.
Pretty solid summary.
Again, you, like others in this thread, are saying that this guy represents the right. If saying that the rioting in Brixton represents the left is absurd, then it follows that this comment representing the right is equally absurd.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Not to mention of destroying mental health services. Or right-to-buy. Or Sectio 28.
And of course Pinochet, Saddam, Khmer Rouge, Suharto, Mandela.
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