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Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) warned Wednesday that "radical Islamists" are being "trained to act like Hispanic" and cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAeUa07VI48
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Fucking shit like that is crazy. Now if he has any actual evidence for something like that, it would be scary. But the guy is a loon that denies climate change and makes all sorts of bullshit statements so I can't take any statement like that seriously. Put up or shut-up Gohmert.

Who ever runs against him should investigate that claim and if there is no evidence for it (which I doubt), portray him like the paranoid conspiracy nut that he is.
 
Hoya Destroyer said:
To me, its interesting you say "his" country. I would consider him Chechan, more so than American. I doubt he considered himself American.
Similarly, that "Australian" cleric is likely Lebanese and not Australian.
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He came here when he was 8 years old. When you live here since little, you assimilate into society really well. Not only that but took the time/money/effort to become a US citizen.

Just like they say, he was influenced from his older brother. He had radical views and possible he looked up to him so he followed along. He loved his country but at the same time, he got brainwashed by his brother and the bond possibly between the 2 made it easy for him to just do what he was being told.

Im sure if this young kid didnt have such bad influence, he would of been a regular guy on about his business.

Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) warned Wednesday that "radical Islamists" are being "trained to act like Hispanic" and cross the U.S.-Mexico border.
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OMG WTF is this shit. Every day I fear more for immigration reform. Even students are in danger in that they could be targetted and get the Dream Act passage denied.
 
Demoncarnotaur said:
Oh, I doubt he was forced with the threat of death, and I will be surprised if he uses that as an excuse. I imagine he was impressionable, and was influenced by his brother.. for him it may have been a power high, a chance to 'do something'. Im not saying he isn't responsible for his actions, because he is and was well aware of what he was doing. But the fact is, he doesn't seem like an extremist, he did not kill himself, he did not flee after the bombing, did not take credit. He seemed like a kid who thought he could get away with a horrible crime, and enjoyed the thought of that. This is all assumption, and I obviously know nothing, but as an outsider with limited knowledge looking in it is the vibe I get.



Such a pretty dog.
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Uncle Ruslan needs to have a stern word with you and your Nuremberg D.
 
Dax01 said:
I thought your post was ignorantly offensive. It read as if women are objects to enjoyed if you move here, as if we're some privilege to be enjoyed. "He had a chance to date our women!"
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You are welcome to think anything you please. Just don't be accusing people of a banable offense just because you assume there's some misogyny behind it. However If it really offends you that much I'll edit the comment.
 
I'm starting to get a better feeling for what happen with those two brothers. It sounds like they were both failing. Older brother dropped out of community college and started getting paranoid conspiracy theories.

Albrecht Ammon, 18, lived directly below the apartment of the two suspects. He said he recently saw Tamerlan in a pizzeria, where they argued about religion and U.S. foreign policy. He quoted Tsarnaev as saying that many U.S. wars are based on the Bible, which is used as "an excuse for invading other countries."

During the argument, Ammon said, Tsarnaev told him he had nothing against the American people, but he had something against the American government. "The Bible was a cheap copy of the Koran," Ammon quoted Tsarnaev as saying.
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Younger brother got 7 failing grades:
Still, The New York Times reported that a college transcript revealed that he was failing many of his college classes. In two semesters in 2012 and 2013, he got seven failing grades, including F's in Principles of Modern Chemistry, Intro American Politics, and Chemistry and the Environment.
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Their uncle Ruslan may have hit the nail on the head . . . they were just losers that failed to settle and instead lashed out at everyone else.


http://news.yahoo.com/stories-2-brothers-suspected-bombing-124623274.html
 
Oh god, Zero Hedge is running with the conspiration theory.

Remind me again why those jokers are referenced among certain economics circles.
 
speculawyer said:
I'm starting to get a better feeling for what happen with those two brothers. It sounds like they were both failing. Older brother dropped out of community college and started getting paranoid conspiracy theories.



Younger brother got 7 failing grades:


Their uncle Ruslan may have hit the nail on the head . . . they were just losers that failed to settle and instead lashed out at everyone else.


http://news.yahoo.com/stories-2-brothers-suspected-bombing-124623274.html
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So just of couple of religious douchebags who couldn't accept people different than them so decide to just kill them. Also, lol @ the bible being a copy of Koran.
 
Akkad said:
So just of couple of religious douchebags who couldn't accept people different than them so decide to just kill them. Also, lol @ the bible being a copy of Koran.
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I really hope that's not the case. I can't think of a worse reason to justify the death of innocents, Jesus Christ the 8 year old was barely living his life yet and none of the marathon watchers had anything to do with their own problems.
 
Must have been discussed here, but I found this piece to have some good details of the Thursday night firefight. Apparently the older brother was alive and cuffed by police, but was kiiled by the younger brother running over him.
 
Akkad said:
Also, lol @ the bible being a copy of Koran.
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This, albeit reworded a little, is the standard belief in Islam and the converse is the standard belief in Christianity. Islam, as an Abrahamic religion, follows the old testament. Jesus is the second-most important prophet is Islam before Muhammed, and the last prophet before Mohammed (I used an incorrect term here pre-edit, my bad). The belief is that God revealed himself to Muhammed to perfect religion. It's not that they believe the "bible is a copy of the koran" it's that they believe that the Qur'an is a perfection of the Bible.

Likewise, Christians recognize the shared heritage that Islam has with Christianity, but view the teaches of the Qur'an as false; a corruption of that heritage.

That's status quo ante.
 
Stumpokapow said:
This, albeit reworded a little, is the standard belief in Islam and the converse is the standard belief in Christianity. Islam, as an Abrahamic religion, follows the old testament. Jesus is the "seal of the prophets"--the second-most important prophet is Islam before Muhammed. The belief is that God revealed himself to Muhammed to perfect religion. It's not that they believe the "bible is a copy of the koran" it's that they believe that the Qur'an is a perfection of the Bible.

Likewise, Christians recognize the shared heritage that Islam has with Christianity, but view the teaches of the Qur'an as false; a corruption of that heritage.

That's status quo ante.
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Specifically, they also believe that the New Testament that Christians follow is a corruption of the true revelations of Jesus, which they hold are contained the Qur'an.
 
i'm still interested to know what the suspects were doing on the MIT campus and what lead them to kill the campus police officer. what was the disturbance the officer was investigating? did it involve the two suspects?

these are two suspects that allegedly planted and detonated bombs in a crowd of civilians, some of which were children. it was also reported they carjacked a man and took him hostage - only to let him go 30 minutes later - and that they paid for gas in cash at a gas station. if they had no problem killing innocent civilians, why not just shoot the hostage or the teller at the gas station? why kill the police officer in a manner which i heard described on the news by a police official as an "assassination"?

also, who was the "dark-skinned white male wearing a cowboy hat" described on the police scanner as a suspect in robbing a 7/11?
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Specifically, they also believe that the New Testament that Christians follow is a corruption of the true revelations of Jesus, which they hold are contained the Qur'an.
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Well not corrupted entirely, only corrupted when it involves rising from the dead, flying from heaven, you know the supernatural illogical stuff
 
Huh.. I was just about to walk out the door to go to the Target in Watertown when I realized that it's probably a friggin madhouse there right now.
 
Maninthemirror said:
Well not corrupted entirely, only corrupted when it involves rising from the dead, flying from heaven, you know the supernatural illogical stuff
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No offence, but God miraculously body-swapping Jesus with a rando while he's up on the post and literally hauling his body up into heaven only to have him return in the end days counts as "supernatural illogical stuff" too :p
 
If we can get back to the conspiracies, my favorite so far is that they knew it would be blamed on on Tea Party crazy white folks, but when they reported that, the Feds had to change their story to these random Muslim kids so they wouldn't be exposed.

And that it was just a big training exercise to prove they could enact martial law and military rule on a large scale. And that SEALS were involved/HOW DARE YOU BLAME THE SEALS. And that the "man hunt" was just a cover while they were out killing the patsies so they wouldn't talk. The reports of the FBI contacting the older brother 2 years ago? Actually a call to recruit him for this mission to keep the people scared.
 
gohepcat said:
Huh.. I was just about to walk out the door to go to the Target in Watertown when I realized that it's probably a friggin madhouse there right now.
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Yeah, I'd go to the one at South Bay Center.
 
rar said:
i'm still interested to know what the suspects were doing on the MIT campus and what lead them to kill the campus police officer. what was the disturbance the officer was investigating? did it involve the two suspects?
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This is what I want to know too. They had a bunch of pipe bombs that they ended up throwing at police but that obviously wasn't their original plan. I think the cop was shot outside of the MIT Stata Center, which to me is a pretty iconic piece of architecture and the MIT campus. It's right on one of the main entryways into the campus, it was designed by Frank Gehry, and looks very striking. It's not historical at all, but I would consider it a landmark. Was their plan to bomb the Stata Center? Maybe. I'm sure all of the details will be fleshed out over time now that the manhunt is over and the authorities have switched into pure investigation mode.
 
J-Rzez said:
Why did this kid party? Simple. These terrorist know damned well, and are instructed so to "blend in" as much as possible. It's not an indication that he wasn't totally absorbed by the faith and mission, it's an indication that he was trying his best to follow his instructions.
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You seem to be going the "sleeper cell" route. Is this what you really believe?
 
thcsquad said:
This is what I want to know too. They had a bunch of pipe bombs that they ended up throwing at police but that obviously wasn't their original plan. I think the cop was shot outside of the MIT Stata Center, which to me is a pretty iconic piece of architecture and the MIT campus. It's right on one of the main entryways into the campus, it was designed by Frank Gehry, and looks very striking. It's not historical at all, but I would consider it a landmark. Was their plan to bomb the Stata Center? Maybe. I'm sure all of the details will be fleshed out over time now that the manhunt is over and the authorities have switched into pure investigation mode.
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MIT has close cooperation with US military and they are heavily invested in research into drones and the use of them.
 
Has there been an updated animation showing his entire route since he was captured, or at least a map with all locations marked?
 
rar said:
i'm still interested to know what the suspects were doing on the MIT campus and what lead them to kill the campus police officer. what was the disturbance the officer was investigating? did it involve the two suspects?

these are two suspects that allegedly planted and detonated bombs in a crowd of civilians, some of which were children. it was also reported they carjacked a man and took him hostage - only to let him go 30 minutes later - and that they paid for gas in cash at a gas station. if they had no problem killing innocent civilians, why not just shoot the hostage or the teller at the gas station? why kill the police officer in a manner which i heard described on the news by a police official as an "assassination"?

also, who was the "dark-skinned white male wearing a cowboy hat" described on the police scanner as a suspect in robbing a 7/11?
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I seem to remember hearing (possibly inaccurate) reports that they were trying get into the MIT Next House dorm, a place where one of the brothers had hung out at before. It's especially sad when you look at all the photos on that website of these super young kids they might have been targeting.
 
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