Mihael Mello Keehl
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Wii U Games 2013
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PhoenixDawn
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I can't believe that Pikmin 3 isn't coming out until August now. They better be polishing that thing to perfection with online multiplayer or some amazing hidden feature that we haven't seen yet. I thought the game was pretty far along already on Wii and while I understand that it does take some time to upres/update the graphics (besides the ground ones...), I don't see how it can take this long unless they're adding something else or really are that incompetent yet at HD development...
How does it work? I checked the reddit image link from february and when clicking on "image informations" for the jpg it says > "last edited February Saturday 16 2013 05:37:25"
Angel Whispers
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No. Third parties simply had projections about Wii U sales (that proved to be accurate) and thus did not decide to actively support the system. I wouldn't call it failure, I'd call it a smart business decision.
Not really. The Wii U in its first two months had done better than the 360, PS3 and almost as well as the Wii, but third parties wrote it off then, if not already before.
It had nothing to do with poor sales because the poor sales numbers hadn't begun at that point
They weren't on board even before we really knew anything about it. I'm guessing it's actual performance in the marketplace didn't have anything to do with it.
It was a projection that executed itself.
the list would be coming internally from NoA. from what i've seen NoA is kept on a need-to-know basis. if this is true, they would only be informed of things that are being localized and preparing for release. i personally doubt even reggie knows any more than this list contains right now even if its fake. so yea, it might be possible that if this list were true, surprises could still be in store. there aren't even any major first-party titles listed under 'holiday' yet.
Pretty much.
If they had supported the Wii U, even with same-time ports, during the period of low sales, then the sales would not have been bad, or at least certainly not AS bad.
Instead, they only opted for launch with late, mostly half-arsed ports.
GayForMaster
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Hilarious how every game listed with a date is just so interesting... then you have the games with no listed release date that you actually want to play. Well... all of them except maybe Mario Kart.
That's what I said. They had projections that proved to be accurate. Publishers simply did not expect high profits arising from Wii U development, they did not see demand for their titles on that platform. And up to this point, they were right. (Even if their projections were not accurate, things wouldn't have changed as the example of the Wii illustrates...)
A retrospective view on sales does not always make sense when looking at future prospects. Also, most people will agree that only very few will buy Wii U ports of 3rd party titles - the people interested in those games already have a PS3 and Xbox 360. What about Wii U exclusives? Not really lucrative at the moment (see ZombiU).
You always need to see whether the expected revenues are higher than expected costs. And then you also need to consider whether there are more profitable projects and what other effects could arise. 3rd parties simply allocated resources to Wii U development based on how much potential gains they expect from that platform. And if a timely port of a game results in a delay of the same game on all platforms, it's maybe just not worth it.
When are third party launch titles ever lucrative?
StreetsAhead
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'Super secret', and other seemingly childish phrases, is something I've seen on plenty of corporate documents.
prag16
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Know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is?
If anything it was more about demographics than anything else. Sales didn't have anything to do with it. However, if they don't grow that market, then of course their games won't sell. It's just typical self-fulfilling prophecy/ Catch-22 BS.
Do you want to say that most third party launch titles incur losses? I don't have any information on that and I'd found it surprising tbh. But I cannot prove the opposite either.
Again, we know for sure that sales did not play any role, only sales projections. Most third party titles are multiplatform games, most who play these titles already own either a PS3 or a 360. Also, publishers are in a transition period at the moment; they have a majority of resources already dedicated for PS4/720 development. With PS3 and Xbox 360 on the way out and downports of PS4/720 titles to Wii U being time- and cost-intensive, there'd still be the option for Wii U exclusives. And that's where businessmen see higher profits coming from 720 & PS4 titles than from Wii U exclusives.
We could also have PS4/720 up-ports from Wii U, but that'd somewhat destroy the point of those platforms. I guess a lot of CoD or Assassin's Creed players would ask why they are supposed to buy a new platform when the games look and play just the same as on their old platforms.
FearMyWrench
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I really want to believe this list especially with the two month old reddit post. The problem is the lack of Mario Party 3DS announced last week for the Fall. That really should be on there.
http://imgur.com/Ic47D4F
The image itself was uploaded only after the last Nintendo Direct apparently.
"4 days ago"
I don't know how this is possible though as the Reddit post was not edited and you cannot replace images on Imgur.
shinra-bansho
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Good grief at this ridiculous narrative people make up to feel better about their purchasing decisions.
Yes, third parties sure did squander the window Nintendo in its altruistic kindness left open for them, they should have put out far more titles to lose money with terrible sales.
StreetsAhead
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'Unannounced titles'. Mario Party 3DS was only announced last week. If the list is from Feb, it fits.
Also, lol @ 'Wii U battery pack (very confidential)'
You forget that there actually being releases would mean that the sales wouldn't be as terrible
StreetsAhead
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GUYS!!!
There's an easy way to tell if it's real:
Look at the product codes (WUP/CTR):
For games not yet out, watch when they come out and see if they have the same code, THAT must be the best we got.
Game & Wario in the image - WUP-P-ASAE
My copy of Game & Wario - WUP-P-ASAJ
Presumably 'E' for English, 'J' for Japanese.
But you assume that people would actually buy the Wii U for 3rd party ports then? Or do you expect 3rd parties to develop games like ZombiU? I could only see the latter making a real impact. But you are definitely right that software is the problem, as even with a low price Wii U sales remain abysmal.
FearMyWrench
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Hmm yeah, the 4 days ago is certainly damning but the Reddit post... I smell a conspiracy, lol.
Well, if you look at it that way, it gives the list more credibility I guess.
Stuff like the Battery Pack does the same I feel. If it is fake, whoever made it put a lot of thought into it. It's not your average dreamy fanboy List All Of The Big Games, it's got stuff like the Fit Meter, Wii Mini US Launch, Pink XL, and Battery Pack.
Either way, I look forward to reading this thread 8 months from now.
Oh shit.
Does anyone have Lego 3DS to check?
Even Wii U specific features would do it for me. I've stopped caring about my 360 due to my Wii U, and have shifted a lot of third party pre-orders over to it. I have a couple of friends who have sold their 360 after getting a Wii U, and that's after they originally had no interest in the console whatsoever.
Third parties need to bring it. I know Nintendo will at the end of the year, but third parties are just annoying me with their lack of support.
Even if the Wii U was a resounding success, I have little doubt the third party situation would be the same
Could be an error but that list has Mario & Luigi listed with WUP indicating Wii U.
shinra-bansho
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Hardware sales would still be terrible, the only difference is there would be more software selling terribly with poor or negative ROI.
There is no onus or obligation on third parties to lose money propping up Nintendo's ailing system.
But then you live in a strange fantasy world where everyone's selling their 360s and PS3s to get Wii Us.
If there was more software out for the console, and it being a steady stream, then more people would be inclined to purchase the console. Even if they were just ports of say Tomb Raider, Bioshock etc.
just stop. my wallet can't take this torture. that is just too many damn games.
I have to second this. My roommate would have been all over the Wii U if it would have had Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, possible Destiny, etc. However, as it stands he's just sticking to his 360. Sure, it's only a couple of cases, but I can imagine that there are quite a few people out there who wouldn't have a problem picking up these games on the Wii U. As far as I know, releasing games on a system is how you grow a fanbase there.
I now choose to believe this is actually fact and will happen. I'd love that, though it would imply that X is a bit farther away than I'd like.
I disagree. Those "surprises" would not show up on one of those lists as early as February. The REAL secrets that haven't been unveiled in any form would be kept very close to their chests.
Self fulfilling prophecy. Same ol' BS.
Not FOR the third party ports, but they would serve to round out the library and offer chances of improved versions.
Try not to laugh and entertain this notion for a moment:
In a scenario where there was no question about third party support and with (nearly) all the major titles that came since it launched having a Wii U SKU, you can bet that that the thing wouldn't have sold as terrible as it did/does.
->>
"Oh I can play the games I would've wanted anyway on the new system I would otherwise wait a year or two for because that's when the first party library is strong? Cool, might as well jump in now and get potentially better versions of games I would've bought for my old box."
And that's the one thing that leaked (customer survey)
Steve Youngblood
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I feel like this analysis ignores that some of the big holiday heavy hitters like Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed were available at launch. Sure, there are examples like EA porting Mass Effect 3 at full price instead of the Trilogy that we can point to as third parties never giving it a chance, but I don't think the complete picture at launch necessarily suggested that third parties were never going to give the platform a chance.
And this analysis ignores that the Q1/2 2013 titles from third parties being largely absent was already known to the potential audience. Hence me saying "(nearly) all" titles. AC III, Black Ops II and NBA 2k13 were big games, sure, but if you know that's where it stops, it's definitely not enough.
TheHut lists The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker for Oct. 15th release, don't know if they are reliable, but I wouldn't he shocked if that was the release date.
With this boxart.
http://www.thehut.com/games-wii-u/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-hd/10798261.html
With this boxart.
http://www.thehut.com/games-wii-u/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-hd/10798261.html
hnnnnnnnnnngh
Visualante2
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Nintendo Europe's box arts always have that weird isometric perspective. I doubt that is legit.
http://capuchinomedia.deviantart.com/art/The-Legend-of-Zelda-The-Wind-Waker-HD-Box-Art-350394916
http://capuchinomedia.deviantart.com/art/The-Legend-of-Zelda-The-Wind-Waker-HD-Box-Art-350394916
DragonSworne
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Want to know why that list is fake?
Because it looks more professional than anything that has come out of Nintendo of America in the 2 last year.
Because it looks more professional than anything that has come out of Nintendo of America in the 2 last year.
Smiles and Cries
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TheHut lists The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker for Oct. 15th release, don't know if they are reliable, but I wouldn't he shocked if that was the release date.
With this boxart.
http://www.thehut.com/games-wii-u/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-hd/10798261.html
if the box really ends up like that i will buy both digital and disc version
if they have a gold Wii U bundle I will own a second Wii U lol
TheHut lists The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker for Oct. 15th release, don't know if they are reliable, but I wouldn't he shocked if that was the release date.
With this boxart.
http://www.thehut.com/games-wii-u/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-hd/10798261.html
That's a lame icon.
Smiles and Cries
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This is getting scary...
Hero of Legend
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O_O
When was that put on there? Maybe it was there for a while...
But damn, first Game & Wario and now Lego 3DS, I may have been onto something.
Pikmin 3 and 101 have codes, so no way those were leaked anywhere, so if those are right, then yep, it's legit, but it might not matter since those are after E3 anyway.
Yeah. It wouldn't be unusual to have that info already out there. "SUPER DUPER SECRET" has me skeptical but...
Emily Rogers man. Gotta believe!
Emily Rogers man. Gotta believe!
prag16
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The same site lists July 19th for Deus Ex. Boo if true. Amazon and Best Buy show no date, while Walmart had been showing April 5th until the last day or two (now says May 7th, in line with the original Amazon leak).
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