Dragon's Crown (Vanillaware PS3/PSV) Sorceress Trailer

At this point, I may buy 4 copies of this game just to prove a point. Point: if the game is good, then it is good. The size of the soceress' tits don't determine the quality of the game.

I'm also not ashamed to play this in front of anyone. I'll be playing it with my girlfriend.
 
What was the point of the Kotaku guy saying a couple times that he doesnt know what the artist thinks about his art, the intent of his response and his real views on the sexism issue if he couldnt even wait three hours after learning about the news?
 
Pinko Marx said:
For those that don't know Kotaku posted a response to G.Kimitani's response
http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280
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I don't see the point of complaining about the sexualized nature of this particular title, when it uses it across all genders. Do it against other games where it's clearly a one sided issue.(ie all arc sys games, which kotaku never seems to complain about, all DOA games, Most Team Ninja titles, etc.)
 
onemic said:
I don't see the point of complaining about the sexualized nature of this particular title, when it uses it across all genders. Do it against other games where it's clearly a one sided issue.(ie all arc sys games, which kotaku never seems to complain about, all DOA games, Most Team Ninja titles, etc.)
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Well, according to Schreier, big muscly men are every man's fantasy, and women don't care for that stuff at all.
 
Maybe I'm ignorant, but I didn't see Katamani's "response" as a homosexual slur. I saw it as: "if you don't enjoy how I've drawn women, here is an example of how I've drawn men". Of course it's a piece of artwork subject to any individual's unique perspective.

I'm glad the Kotaku author acknowledges that his previous article was badly written. Maybe in the future he'll think about how he writes articles for clicks.
 
onemic said:
I don't see the point of complaining about the sexualized nature of this particular title, when it uses it across all genders. Do it against other games where it's clearly a one sided issue.(ie all arc sys games, which kotaku never seems to complain about, all DOA games, Most Team Ninja titles, etc.)
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ArcSys?

They are probably the most equal opportunity fan service devs out there. Lol

All seriousness good response.

I really think people have made too much out if this.
 
Here we go...

Why complain? Because it's embarrassing. Because I wouldn't want to be seen playing it in public. Because I love Japanese games and Japanese RPGs and I don't want them to perpetuate the ugly "boys' club" mentality that has pervaded gaming for almost three decades now.
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All I see is just shallow excuses to why he feels uncomfortable for playing a game with "shocking" female characters. This game has nothing to do with sexism, if anything, the Sorceress is a glorification of what people like about the female form.

After this I want nothing to do with this carnival of stupid. IMO, Kamitani is one of the best artists in the video game industry today, and he definitely shouldn't censor his artwork for more mass appeal and to "offend" less.
 
I get the problems people have with sexualized characters. However, I do not think this game is the best example and as such I think the debate's focus is wrong.

The characters in this game are all overexaggerated in one way or the other but usually so much that the aesthetics are not appealing for most persons, at least not in a sexual way. What this means in my opinion is that people who see this game are instantely saying: woah, look how exaggerated all this is. They will usually not say: aww, way too sexualized.

So for an argument that too many games are for pubescent boys, this game is not a good example.

Or to put it more bluntly: The game doesn't take itself too serious, commentators shouldn't either.

Jason had enough time to make these articles about Dead or Alive where it is more appropriate. [although I dont agree with his arguments anyway]
 
It seems to me that everyone is cramming words into everyone else's mouths and the discussion has devolved into an endless spinning of wheels.

I don't think a creator should ever be forced to design by committee if they're afforded the luxury of freedom in that respect. Kamitani has said on multiple occasions that Vanillaware is fortunate to make games Vanillaware wants to make.. Sorry if it doesn't live up to some people's standards of video game ambassadorship, but there's a thin line between inclusion and focus-tested homogeneity, and not everyone is up to the task of finding a happy medium.

And again, I don't understand the idea of one being ashamed to play a video game.
Get over yourself.
 
Pinko Marx said:
For those that don't know Kotaku posted a response to G.Kimitani's response
http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280
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So, no, I don't want to look at this game in a vacuum, or laugh off the sorceress as harmless sexual exaggeration, or accept that this is just Vanillaware's style (which is typically gorgeous). Not when so many women still feel so uncomfortable playing games, or working in the video game industry, or attending gaming events.
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This to me seems of misguided bigotry. Basically, he's attacking the wrong target of what's actually considered sexism.

As well as the use of "uncomfortable". Who are these women and why are they uncomfortable? I'd rather hear from some real people than just a statement of questionable validity.
 
He is so transparent it's hilarious.

The reason he takes issue with this game is because he doesn't find it sexy. "You were supposed to make the game sexy for me, but I'm not attracted to this! You did it wrong! You're a bad person!"

Instead of admitting that, he tries to pretend that the problem with the gaming world is that the president of a company is allowed to use his own art style to make his own game. We gotta lock down those artists who have their own company, otherwise not every art style in games will be sexy to Schreier. And that is the worst possible thing that could happen.
 
Omegasquash said:
I feel like this issue is being blown way out of proportion.
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Reluctant-Hero said:
But then you have to imply that the art Katamani posted was depicting homosexuality.
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Oh please. "Hurr, you probably like these sweaty muscle dudes instead, hurr" is really, really heavy hinting.

not psycho said:
The reason he takes issue with this game is because he doesn't find it sexy. "You were supposed to make the game sexy for me, but I'm not attracted to this! You did it wrong! You're a bad person!"
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I can't stop facepalming at this thread.
 
Crimson_Gold said:
I doubt that was what he was saying. He was giving an example of his male art. Showing how both can be seen as embellished and even pandering in some cases.
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Yep. Just like the Sorceress is seen with commonly attributed exaggerated feminine features (large breasts, ample butt, doll of a face) these guys have commonly attributed exaggerated masculine features (huge muscles, long beards, hairy chests... and male pattern baldness).

Roto13 said:
Oh please. "Hurr, you probably like these sweaty muscle dudes instead, hurr" is really, really heavy hinting.



I can't stop facepalming at this thread.
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You're assuming that a middle aged man born and raised in a completely different culture is going to interpret the same things as you. Now that's something to facepalm about.
 
It's also interesting that root of all this seems to be particularly focused the design of the Sorceress. I was expecting people to freak out over the muscular Amazon with comments like "hur hur, it's a dude".
 
There is a good comment thread on the new Kotaku article showing how the Necromancers in Kamitani's games all have big breasts, and the poster draws a parallel with him using the historic fertility goddess as a parallel to Necromancy.
 
Badoor said:
Here you go:
http://art-eater.com/2013/03/from-m...ragons-crown-trailer-is-full-of-epic-homages/
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Now that's interesting.

Pinko Marx said:
For those that don't know Kotaku posted a response to G.Kimitani's response
http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280
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I'm really not sure how I feel about this. Stating that the character was obviously made by a 14 year old boy is something even the author knows isn't true and that kind of vapid, lazy facetiousness is getting his argument nowhere. On the other hand, responding with "sorry you don't like the women, here's some bears for you" can only be read so many different ways, and most aren't particularly mature either.

Bottom line, I can't say my opinion of either Kotaku or Kamitani have been raised by this exchange.
 
Reluctant-Hero said:
It's also interesting that root of all this seems to be particularly focused the design of the Sorceress. I was expecting people to freak out over the muscular Amazon with comments like "hur hur, it's a dude".
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Those thighs don't lie, that's not a guy my friend....

In all seriousness, I'm actually surprised by this as well. This is being made into something far more serious than it needs to be. I sure hope these same people don't want movies with nudity in them and are offended by films made in certain time periods.
 
nailbombxx said:
I don't even think that people in the West nor East think of huge, bearded muscle brickhouses when they think of gay men.
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Implying that if flappy tits don't do it for you, big burly hairy men probably do, isn't implying that the dwarves are gay, it's implying that Schreier is gay.
 
Reluctant-Hero said:
It's also interesting that root of all this seems to be particularly focused the design of the Sorceress. I was expecting people to freak out over the muscular Amazon with comments like "hur hur, it's a dude".
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I expected both, and I'm pleasantly amused that no one is offended by the Elf because she represents a socially acceptable female archetype (petite and thin).
 
The only way to resolve this is DLC outfits for the Dwarf and Warrior which are battle thongs complete with jiggle physics.

It's the only way.
 
Roto13 said:
Implying that if flappy tits don't do it for you, big burly hairy men probably do, isn't implying that the dwarves are gay, it's implying that Schreier is gay.
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Even if that was what Kamitani meant, it doesn't mean that being open to the possibility that someone may be a homosexual is not an insult.
 
Roto13 said:
Implying that if flappy tits don't do it for you, big burly hairy men probably do, isn't implying that the dwarves are gay, it's implying that Schreier is gay.
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I mean, an argument can be made perhaps that something's just being lost in translation here, or that it was a purely innocent gesture meant to say "hey, I love to draw big, sexy, playful men, too", but no matter how you translate what was stated, it doesn't really come across that way.
 
The thing I'm surprised the most is that I was expecting an awful Kotaku article... But it wasn't bad at all.

I still think all the discussion is amusing
 
Roto13 said:
I can't stop facepalming at this thread.
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Roto13 said:
Implying that if flappy tits don't do it for you
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Yeah, where could I possibly have gotten the idea that the people targeting this game are doing it precisely because they are mad about not finding it sexy.

I mean, the artist himself is the president of the company (thus not being forced to use any particular style) and is using his own established art style (which is actually too exaggerated to go for mass sex appeal). So you would think this would not be the game to target.

And yet, here we are, with a bunch of men using phrases like "flappy tits" to attack the game. How could I possibly think it is because they are upset at not having their sexual preferences catered to.
 
Roto13 said:
Oh please. "Hurr, you probably like these sweaty muscle dudes instead, hurr" is really, really heavy hinting.

I can't stop facepalming at this thread.
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I find nothing wrong with a bunch of half naked, burly men embracing each other. I think this whole issue is just going to the very bottom of the sexism barrel, honestly. Whatever the statistics may be, games have predominantly been geared towards male players, so that experience is tailor made to attract male players.

If most men enjoy beautiful, well endowed women and powerful, badass looking dudes, then what's the problem with a game featuring these kinds of character designs? If you just don't like the designs (which I think is the real reason) then stop making it into a sex/gender thing.

I know plenty of people who hate Bayonetta's character design but make no mention of the hyper-sexualization that game has. I mean, that game has sex overload and generally I heard more from people complaining about her tiny head and huge body, not how she humps practically everything in game.
 
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