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[peanutbutterlatte]

1) I don't like Sony or MS's first party, so this isn't me saying those games are good
2) to the mainstream press, yeah, games on true next gen systems with huge budgets will be seen to completely outclass The New 3D Mario. Even if quality wise I'm sure Mario will end up better than shit like God of War.

It's completely subjective. Mario games get just as much press, in wildly different audiences sure, but it's just as popular. Mario's still one of the top selling gaming franchises of all time.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Just to double-check: You are aware that the implicit conclusion of that assertion is that all Nintendo games they show over E3 will be bad, right? Just making sure you're quite clear on what you're stating.

There is a massive difference between quality and interest. I'm more interested in a new 3D Mario than any other console game. But that doesn't mean another Mario can compete with next gen reveals from Sony and MS.

 

[Dany]

What if Sony or Microsoft backed out from doing a press conference, we'd all be saying the same thing, bad omens and all that.

 

[thecouncil]

I don't give a fuck about how Nintendo goes about talking about new games and system software: just show me some Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart, Mario 3D, Wind Waker HD, X, Wii Fit U, Yarn Yoshi, Pikmin 3, and Zelda U, and I'll be the happiest fucking person on the planet.

Seriously, who the fuck cares about the big show? Information will get around regardless.

Apparently, information doesn't know how to travel without USAToday seeing that main conference.

What if Sony or Microsoft backed out from doing a press conference, we'd all be saying the same thing, bad omens and all that.

Not if they made up for it in some other way.

Maybe they have little to show....

What's "little" to you? Because they've, so far, promised to show some pretty big things.

 

[mclem]

There is a massive difference between quality and interest. I'm more interested in a new 3D Mario than any other console game. But that doesn't mean another Mario can compete with next gen reveals from Sony and MS.

That's a different statement from what you previously said.

 

[Chopper]

There is a massive difference between quality and interest. I'm more interested in a new 3D Mario than any other console game. But that doesn't mean another Mario can compete with next gen reveals from Sony and MS.

What sort of next-gen reveals will truly beat out Wii U's new 3D Mario title in quantative "interest" amongst gaming enthusiasts? Serious question.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

That's a different statement from what you previously said.

No it isn't. You just interpreted it incorrectly.

What sort of next-gen reveals will truly beat out Wii U's new 3D Mario title in quantative "interest"? Serious question?

How can I say when I don't know what's being revealed?

If the big news coming out of E3 is "holy shit new Mario" I'll Paypal you $2.65.

 

[mclem]

No it isn't. You just interpreted it incorrectly.

Thankyou for confirming my suspicions about you. I apologise, I should have realised sooner.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

How can I say when I don't know what's being revealed?

If the big news coming out of E3 is "holy shit new Mario" I'll Paypal you $2.65.

PS4 and the 720 will already have been revealed. New Halo? New God of War? I'd argue Mario is equal in different ways. It's clearly not going to be "big shocking news", because they've had to tell us it's being announced to keep interest in the system active, but it's going to be very impressive no matter what.

I'd wager Smash will garner more "shock interest" simply because of its limited nature.

 

[Meelow]

I dont know if I can post a GN link but Nintendo sent a PR e-mail saying 2 E3 Directs on June 11th.


As you’ve already seen, a lot of news about Nintendo games and services that traditionally would be held until E3 is being delivered this year through Nintendo Directs, and various press events. This approach will continue between now and E3. No matter where you are in the world, you’ll be fully informed. We look forward to continuing to provide you with Nintendo news and content in ways you haven’t before experienced. Beyond the news that will be communicated through Nintendo Direct videos in the run up to E3, at the show itself we’re hosting two smaller events on Tuesday morning before the LACC opens instead of just our traditional one event. A media event and a partner presentation will both occur that morning. While the audiences will be different between the two events, both will occur on the Tuesday morning of E3 (June 11) which is the date and time period the public has come to expect for Nintendo to deliver E3 news.

At the Nokia theater we’ll meet with business partners (retailers, publishers, analysts, etc.) from the NOA territory and discuss our plans for driving the business and providing tailored information that this group finds useful to their operations. Nintendo has done these same type of business meetings at past E3 shows, but has not in the past few years. This year we are returning to that business partner meeting format. New this year at our booth in the LACC, prior to the show opening, we’ll invite a small group of media to play our games. We will have a strong line-up of beloved franchise experiences available for immediate hands-on play. We are continuing to consider exciting new ways to bring the news of our games and information directly to the players at home during the E3 timeframe, and will have more to say about that at a later date.”

Thread worthy I'd say.

 

[Coolwhip]

What exactly is AGAINST a big live press conference? Nintendo can do all the Nintendo Directs after a big live press event if they wanted to.

 

[Hystzen]

Nintendo failed to book Usher to dance for them during conference so they gave up

MS + USHER FTW

 

[Chopper]

If the big news coming out of E3 is "holy shit new Mario" I'll Paypal you $2.65.

Well, the "big news "will probably be PS4 and Xbox release dates and prices. But I'm struggling to think of franchises on these consoles that will excite us enthusiasts substantially more than the plethora of first party Nintendo titles that'll be revealed for Wii U.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

What exactly is AGAINST a big live press conference? Nintendo can do all the Nintendo Directs after a big live press event if they wanted to.

Yeah but why not just instead of? Last year we got a way too disproportionate amount of time devoted to Nintendoland, and zero new 3DS games announced. Compared to the last year where we've got Bayonetta 2, SMT x Fire Emblem, Link to the Past 2, and Mario and Luigi 4 announced via Nintendo Directs, to name just a few. It's less time for Nintendo, and they can still be there with the hands-on demos, which is the only thing they can't do over a livestream (yet anyway).

 

[Hakai]

PS4 and the 720 will already have been revealed. New Halo? New God of War? I'd argue Mario is equal in different ways. It's clearly not going to be "big shocking news", because they've had to tell us it's being announced to keep interest in the system active, but it's going to be very impressive no matter what.

I'd wager Smash will garner more "shock interest" simply because of its limited nature.

I understand your point but if Naughty Dog shows their new PS4 project, that can easliy beat a new Mario game, as big news of E3.

And consider that 3D Mario games are my favorite of all games.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Well, the "big news "will probably be PS4 and Xbox release dates and prices. But I'm struggling to think of franchises on these consoles that will excite us enthusiasts substantially more than the plethora of first party Nintendo titles that'll be revealed for Wii U.

New games.

 

[Chopper]

New games.

Such as? Or are you talking about new IPs?

I understand your point but if Naughty Dog shows their new PS4 project, that can easliy beat a new Mario game, as big news of E3.

Yeah, maybe this.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I understand your point but if Naughty Dog shows their new PS4 project, that can easliy beat a new Mario game, as big news of E3.

And consider that 3D Mario games are my favorite of all games.

Last of Us II you mean? I fully expect it to follow the ND trilogy pattern. I get your point, but acting like a new Mario announcement is a load of hot air is just asinine.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

Such as? Or are you talking about new IPs?

Both new IPs and games we don't know about from existing franchises.

We know Mario is coming. That's not very exciting.

 

[Meelow]

I understand your point but if Naughty Dog shows their new PS4 project, that can easliy beat a new Mario game, as big news of E3.

And consider that 3D Mario games are my favorite of all games.

New Naughty Dog game for PS4 would bring big stuff, but it can't easily beat a 3D HD Mario, they would both clash.

 

[The Horror the horror]

I understand your point but if Naughty Dog shows their new PS4 project, that can easliy beat a new Mario game, as big news of E3.

And consider that 3D Mario games are my favorite of all games.

Haha. No.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Both new IPs and games we don't know about from existing franchises.

We know Mario is coming. That's not very exciting.

It's not like they're not going to have any surprises.

 

[Ninja Moomin]

You need software

You profile is suffering in the home console market


You take away the biggest chance you have to make a splash about your home console all year


<because you know Sony and MS are going to steam roller you at E3 this year on the press event side of things>

 

[Hakai]

Last of Us II you mean? I fully expect it to follow the ND trilogy pattern. I get your point, but acting like a new Mario announcement is a load of hot air is just asinine.

New IP maybe? It is not but pick E3 2006, while Mario Galaxy was awesome it was definetly not the Big E3 news that year.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

It's not like they're not going to have any surprises.

Who knows. They've kinda shot their load early by promising current owners various franchises are coming soon.

 

[Chopper]

Both new IPs and games we don't know about from existing franchises.

We know Mario is coming. That's not very exciting.

Mario Galaxy was fucking exciting.

New IP maybe? It is not but pick E3 2006, while Mario Galaxy was awesome it was definetly not the Big E3 news that year.

Snake in Smash Bros, yeah?

 

[Hakai]

Who knows. They've kinda shot their load early by promising current owners various franchises are coming soon.

But there are still a big amount of room for surprises. So it can't be dismissed.

 

[TheSeks]

http://i.imgur.com/Y3N6LKa.jpg

Now to photoshop that onto the banners of the LA Convention center...

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

New IP maybe? It is not but pick E3 2006, while Mario Galaxy was awesome it was definetly not the Big E3 news that year.

Just seems weird for them to announce a new IP literally a few days before their new, big hyped title comes out. I know they have multiple studios, but still...

 

[Dave Meltzer]

But there are still a big amount of room for surprises. So it can't be dismissed.

I can't promise my speculation is going to end up completely factual.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

This, right here is what makes me sad to read. It's this focusing on US so much that makes me wonder how companies will succeed in other territories. To take an example, I'm very curious to see how MS will appeal to Europe and Japan costumers. The worst thing I can feel from a company is: I don't care about you, you are not your target. From a consumer point of view that is indeed negative.

You do realize e3 is an American event right? Are you upset that TGS focuses on Japanese gamers? Some of you guys are just.....man.

 

[Maztorre]

As far as I'm concerned, anything that reduces the number of cringe-worthy conferences held by the 3 console manufacturers is a good thing. Sony's Playstation Meeting was one of the better conferences in the last while and even then it had some awful moments (Please be excited for our non-existent Final Fantasy!!!/the embarrassing Infamous: Second Son monologue). Microsoft's conferences contain blatant lies (every Kinect demo, Ubisoft stage demos of idealised PC-versions with an Xbox controller on-stage) and personality-less husks like Don Mattrick pleading for applause because they spent your Live Gold subs on CoD DLC and a bunch of (US-only) apps, and Nintendo have been probably the worst for technical problems during stage demos, revealing games that the core audience have no interest in, and Reggie being Reggie. In contrast, the Nintendo Directs are filled with content designed for a web-viewing audience, with none of the issues of trying to keep a live audience clapping.

The whole format for E3 (for hardware manufacturers) is bizarre anyway. It's like expecting Samsung and Apple to put out conferences on the same day so that each company is forced into some kind of crowd hyping contest so they can "win" mindshare, instead of revealing their products in a more ideal environment.

 

[Hakai]

Just seems weird for them to announce a new IP literally a few days before their new, big hyped title comes out. I know they have multiple studios, but still...

It doesn't mean it will launch, but just to build hype. It happens a lot. But yeah I'm just saying you can't dismiss the other 2 they can bring big guns this time.

I can't promise my speculation is going to end up completely factual.

Yeah, but you can speculate with common sense, Nintendo usually bring surprises!

 

[Snaku]

I guess.

But Nintendo are basically isolating themselves from anyone in the industry, publishers, developers and gamers (at least, those who aren't part of the Nintendo brand loyalist camp).

That's the definition of a niche.

Also, based on strictly empirical evidence, I can safely say that Nintendo is continuously losing more and more of their old guard fans.

That means, people who used to like Nintendo but they're getting more and more frustrated by their decisions on both the hardware and the software front.

I'm one of those. I've owned every Nintendo console since the NES, but I just can't see myself buying a WiiU at this point.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

I think people are really exaggerating how many people actually watch E3 conferences when they happen. They're in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. The only people that get to see them are the unemployed, people with night jobs and people like me who specifically take vacation time to stay home and watch it.

Out of all of the people I know that love video games I'm the only one I know that
actually goes out of their way to watch E3. The general public doesn't care about watching press conferences. They just pick up all of their news from the places they usually pick up their gaming news.

Cosign. Every year I put up a status message saying X days until e3 and every year I get people asking me, what the hell is e3 (and they all play video games regularly).

This shit ain't the superbowl or the world cup. It's live streamed on Spike TV during the middle of the day when most of America is at work. Only very few people (AKA GAF) takes time off just to watch e3.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

It doesn't mean it will launch, but just to build hype. It happens a lot. But yeah I'm just saying you can't dismiss the other 2 they can bring big guns this time.



Yeah, but you can speculate with common sense, Nintendo usually bring surprises!

I'm not dismissing the other two at all, I'm just saying their hype would be closer to equal than vastly outclassing Nintendo.

Also, they waited two years after Jak III to announce Uncharted.

 

[Penguin]

Cosign. Every year I put up a status message saying X days until e3 and every year I get people asking me, what the hell is e3 (and they all play video games regularly).

This shit ain't the superbowl or the world cup. It's live streamed on Spike TV during the middle of the day when most of America is at work. Only very few people (AKA GAF) takes time off just to watch e3.

It is the Superbowl and the World Cup for gaming, but that doesn't mean it compares in population at all.

I do think, the important thing is... buzz in general.

Everything else.. is old hat now.. you can watch trailers on Youtube or 100 gaming sites or your Wii U or Ps3 or 360 or whatever

And hands on won't change

The only difference I guess will be the impact of everyone watching at the same time.. though based on Twitter.. last Nintendo Direct.. can still create a ton of social buzz without a major presser

 

[Meier]

I think it makes sense really. Their conferences are typically not very good (although I'll never forget the Zelda reveal with Miyamoto having the sword and shield.. was lucky to be in the audience and it was an incredible moment) while the Nintendo Directs are polished and get across all of the same info they'd probably portray anyway. I'm looking forward to whatever they unveil.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

It is the Superbowl and the World Cup for gaming, but that doesn't mean it compares in population at all.

I do think, the important thing is... buzz in general.

Everything else.. is old hat now.. you can watch trailers on Youtube or 100 gaming sites or your Wii U or Ps3 or 360 or whatever

And hands on won't change

The only difference I guess will be the impact of everyone watching at the same time.. though based on Twitter.. last Nintendo Direct.. can still create a ton of social buzz without a major presser

Which is basically why nothing will change. The people who only watch e3 will hear about Nintendo's e3 direct, watch it, then proceed to live tweet. And honestly, that buzz won't mean shit because those games aren't going to be released for months/years later.

 

[mantidor]

The most surprising thing about this thread is the amount of people that believe E3 is trully a competition. These companies indeed compete with each other, but it doesn't go that far, they couldn't care less about who "won" E3, because you can't really name an objective winner in these kind of events, it's a trade show, not a pageant.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

They just need to show games, games, games.

And what better place than their own E3 conference? Eyes of the gaming world on them, it's literally the best venue to show off new games. This is feeling like a very short sighted decision, it might have made more sense next year, but this year a conference was absolutely vital to helping the Wii U.

 

[Lunar15]

And what better place than their own E3 conference? Eyes of the gaming world on them, it's literally the best venue to show off new games. This is feeling like a very short sighted decision, it might have made more sense next year, but this year a conference was absolutely vital to helping the Wii U.

Too bad the press will never see the games on the show floor, give us impressions, and write articles about them like they always do.

Oh wait, they will.

 

[Pie and Beans]

Too bad the press will never see the games on the show floor, give us impressions, and write articles about them like they always do.

Oh wait, they will.

This happens in addition to the yearly circus and hype that is the presser. Its not like youre getting one new additional thing instead of the other. You're not getting the exposure from the other thing.

 

[jwhit28]

I wish Sony and Microsoft decided to do Directs instead. No more Usher, no more terrible acting, no more dance routines and Kinect miming. No more Wonderbook kids. No more athletes. It would be great.

Konami and Nintendo are doing it right.

 

[Hermii]

And what better place than their own E3 conference? Eyes of the gaming world on them, it's literally the best venue to show off new games. This is feeling like a very short sighted decision, it might have made more sense next year, but this year a conference was absolutely vital to helping the Wii U.

What difference does it make if they show the exact same games in a couple of Nintendo Direct E3 editions ?

 

[Sadist]

Nintendo: "So we're not doing a pressconference this year at E3. We'll be there with demos and our future line-up. We'll have meetings with partners and the media. There will be Nintendo Directs communicating our announcements towards everybody at home.

Part of GAF: "Oh man, no conference? What about the games!?"

Nintendo: "Oh sorry, you didn't get that. We'll be at E3 with our products."

Part of GAF: "But if you don't have a conference, where are you going to show your games!!??"

Nintendo: "Uh, our new products will be attending E3. We've just explained the two meeting set-up. Everyone at home can expect something (likely a Nintendo Direct) like a broadcast detailing our new announcements."

Part of GAF: "But there won't be a conference?"

Nintendo: "Yes"

Part of GAF: "But what about your games?"

Nintendo: "... ... ..."

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

Nintendo: "So we're not doing a pressconference this year at E3. We'll be there with demos and our future line-up. We'll have meetings with partners and the media. There will be Nintendo Directs communicating our announcements towards everybody at home.

Part of GAF: "Oh man, no conference? What about the games!?"

Nintendo: "Oh sorry, you didn't get that. We'll be at E3 with our products."

Part of GAF: "But if you don't have a conference, where are you going to show your games!!??"

Nintendo: "Uh, our new products will be attending E3. We've just explained the two meeting set-up. Everyone at home can expect something (likely a Nintendo Direct) like a broadcast detailing our new announcements."

Part of GAF: "But there won't be a conference?"

Nintendo: "Yes"

Part of GAF: "But what about your games?"

Nintendo: "... ... ..."

 

[Acquiescence]

I wish Sony and Microsoft decided to do Directs instead. No more Usher, no more terrible acting, no more dance routines and Kinect miming. No more Wonderbook kids. No more athletes. It would be great.

Konami and Nintendo are doing it right.

No thank you. Those big-ass, overblown press conferences are what make E3 special. When things go well we get surprise megaton announcements, and when things go wrong we get comedy gifs.

 

[Box]

I might be more inclined to believe the "Nintendo is backing out because they don't have anything interesting to show" schtick if they hadn't actually held a proper E3 conference last year without anything interesting to show.

Even if this E3 has no surprises, just based on what's been confirmed to be there, it will be more interesting than last year from Nintendo.

 

[Harlock]

Nintendo assuming that there is nothing so special to announce. If even last year, with the console launch, was a letdown, imagine now.