Refreshment.01
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Both are Xbox 360 games, so acording to the TheRedSnifit: "Xbox360 WEAKER THAN Xbox360 CONFIRMED!"
He is special you know.
Iwata on third parties, hundreds of inquiries since GDC about Nintendo Web Framework
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He is special you know.
ClovingWestbrook
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I didn't want to point that out to him =/
Psycho_Mantis
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Is it on the page that the OP links to? I'm sorry, I don't understand Japanese so I can't actually read the article that the OP links to... at least not without having it form into babel because of needing to translate it with a machine.
phosphor112
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web platform
This. It's great they have it, but it's not going to bring them those big hitter games they need.
ClovingWestbrook
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I think Wii U will be worth owning with a lot of exclusives due to 1st party and 2nd party titles (by whatever means Nintendo manages to get them). Getting many third parties is to willingly publish games on Wii U is going to remain a dream of Nintendo's. A lot of them will ignore Wii U while others will if anything, give them watered down ports that few will buy. I don't believe Iwata is correct in his thinking that some third parties will find success leading to others to jump on the Wii U. Like someone already said, we saw this pretty much unfold similarly back on the Wii. I don't quite understand Iwata' comment about how exactly Nintendo is trying to change that because if he is referring to collaborations, then in most cases, its Nintendo who is serving as publisher of those titles. So of course more third parties wouldn't mind making games that way since Nintendo's the one taking the financial risk with handling the development and marketing costs instead of them. If of course, some of those games do well sell, the third parties can stick with Nintendo on making a sequel, but again, third parties don't really have anything to lose other than their time required to make games.
What are third parties like Warner Bros and Ubisoft going to think when sales of their upcoming 2013 games are likely going to under perform ? The Wii U's install base likely won't go up that much by the end of July. Combine that with the upcoming flood of 1st party titles and third parties are going to find themselves in an uncomfortable position on Wii U. Nintendo gamers are going to naturally be more supportive of Nintendo's own games. I think those publishers will have to call into question their commitment to Wii U. How embarrassing would it be if Xbox 720 and/or PS4 have better third party sales at launch than Nintendo's had all year long ? Nothing will really change for Nintendo. It's facing another uphill battle with roller blades on.
What are third parties like Warner Bros and Ubisoft going to think when sales of their upcoming 2013 games are likely going to under perform ? The Wii U's install base likely won't go up that much by the end of July. Combine that with the upcoming flood of 1st party titles and third parties are going to find themselves in an uncomfortable position on Wii U. Nintendo gamers are going to naturally be more supportive of Nintendo's own games. I think those publishers will have to call into question their commitment to Wii U. How embarrassing would it be if Xbox 720 and/or PS4 have better third party sales at launch than Nintendo's had all year long ? Nothing will really change for Nintendo. It's facing another uphill battle with roller blades on.
DragonSworne
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Please understand, that no matter what I say or do the outcome will always be the same. Please be excited for the exact same mistakes over and over again.
I still don't understand why people defend Iwata and the current Nintendo executive team. These guys are turning Nintendo into RIMM.
I still don't understand why people defend Iwata and the current Nintendo executive team. These guys are turning Nintendo into RIMM.
Thank you, and sorry to trouble you for finding that article. As I have said, I hadn't read this article before, but I shall admit to being wrong with my assumption. I don't read every topic on NeoGAF, so if it had a topic here, it was one I completely missed.
andthebeatgoeson
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I agree that many different, large games need to sell. It would be great if about 500K people bought NFS. Unfortunately, it sold like crap. Same with COD. Those would at least ensure something came their way.
That's not realistic at all considering the install base at this point (not to mention most of the people who would buy a Wii U at launch window probably have a gaming PC/360/PS3).
It's actually chilling how apt this comparison is becoming over time.
A titan company, one of the forefathers of its industry with a legacy product, profitability once thought to be unshakable, and hyper loyal fans willing to move heaven and earth defending every move they make, refuses to make sweeping change in the face of an evolving industry until it's too little too late.
TheChewyWaffles
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I think some people here are in major denial about how underpowered the Wii U is.
ClovingWestbrook
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No problem.
Wow, someone on the Internet admits to being wrong.
It isn't meant to. It's not even primarily aimed at game developers, it's what Street View and Netflix are based on.
Now post an actual pic running on Wii.
Not sure what exactly happened with the Zelda team cause SS is the ugliest AAA game I've ever seen.
ClovingWestbrook
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It really bugs me. Partially ot was the limitations of the Wii hardware but still. It looks better in Dolphin but it pales in comparison to say Wind Waker.
How are they not evolving? they have changed their global strategy greatly, focusing on the emerging and growing mobile market, they have made tools available for FREE to for developers small and medium sized, their online has greatly changed. Miiverse is still a feature that is unmatched and so simple it's amazing no console maker put something like it in place before, and as usual their controller is completely different.
Is it because they have not released powerful systems like Sony and MS? Sony at least, is the only company that doesn't evolve, they release the same hardware, just cranked up in specs, have had the same controller for almost 20 years, but Nintendo is the stagnant one?
What kind of crazy argument is that?
Let's not forget it was Nintendo's "revolution" which spurred the industry into the greatest success it's seen since it's birth with the Wii mote, which also spawned the other two to quickly use the same idea, one even basically copying the Wii mote exactly, except for painting it black and putting a glow ball on the tip.
MS at least did something completely different with Kinect. So the only company not evolving and "changing" is Sony. they do the same thing, with increased specs over and over and over. It didn't work with the PS3 I am not sure why it should suddenly work with the PS4.
ClovingWestbrook
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PS3 didn't evolve from the PS2? PS4 isn't evolved from PS3? Lol ok.
How are they? Can you explain? Because LOL sounds like an answer you give when you don't have an answer. PS3 has online, PS4 is not much different other than a share button. If you mean "well the specs are more powerful!" that's not evolution, its just more powerful specs. What are they doing "different" or "new"? that they didn't do last time?
What the hell?
DragonSworne
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Lol
Focusing on Indy developers and a closed social framework sure is evolving.
Nintendo is the least to evolve exactly because of their specs. The industry is moving to new engines, new technology, new games, and Nintendo just put out a product that relies on 10 year old touch technology that is replicated cheaper elsewhere a million times over and engines soon to retire.
Nintendo's distribtion and pricing model, both online and offline, are still predominantly shackled by past business practices and doesn't look to change anything soon.
Some evolution.
Wind Waker wasn't technically impressive either, it's the style that made it impressive. Whether or not one prefers WW's styles over SS's is just a matter of taste.
Actually, I'm not sure if any Zelda game of the last decade was technically more than just good. TP was close, but even that one saw harsh criticism for some parts of its graphics (in particular its ground textures).
ClovingWestbrook
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It's
Not just a bump in specs. It's a completely different model, understanding, and vision of hardware. It's not Sony trying pullying a Nintendo and making the hardware with itself in mind as the Ps2/PS3 were. It's hardware with DEVELOPERS in mind. Why do you think Sony is receiving such praise?
The cloud is much more at focus. Being able to stream games from the web. Being able to download a tiny portion of a game and play while the rest downloads. Letting Indies have full control of their game, price, sales, updates, etc.
If you had watched the PS4 reveal and listened to Cerny you'd realize it's not JUST a spec bump.
Nintendo had a gimmick that was mightily successful with the Wii and desired to copy that success onto the Wii U. The Wii U console is a spec bump with a new controller. Thats it. It's not revolutionary like the Wii. Nintendo is being DRAGGED into the present by others. It didn't do it voluntarily just like Sony didn't voluntarily create a much more dev friendly console. It was dragged.
Doc Holliday
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Doesnt evolve imply gradual change? All the sony systems have evolved since the ps1.
Not even talking about art style here. SS has utterly horrendous IQ for some inexplicable reason.
I wouldn't be unhappy if my WiiU library looked like my Wii library by the end of the generation.
It's the largest of my libraries of current gen consoles and it has some of the most creative and enjoyable games I've played this gen (Rock Band being the exception, since I bought it on 360).
It's the largest of my libraries of current gen consoles and it has some of the most creative and enjoyable games I've played this gen (Rock Band being the exception, since I bought it on 360).
ClovingWestbrook
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Pretty much. People understand it just fine they just don't see the appeal of it.
JordanN
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Understand why I even made this question.
There was this notion that hardware means nothing. It was being spread around alot in that thread.
"Nintendo changing the hardware would do nothing"
So my response was "oh really?".
If so, then Nintendo adopting NES hardware and selling it at $350 would mean the Wii U sales wouldn't change right? If anyone was confident that hardware doesn't mean anything, they would say yes.
There is no wiggle room for "but if they...". It's clearly a question of does hardware matter or not.
Because I wanted an upfront answer to an upfront statement.
If people are arrogant enough to believe hardware doesn't make a difference, then I want to see them stick with it to the end.
H_Prestige
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The guy is such a tool. "Oh, it can't possibly be that I shipped out a worthless product. It's that people just don't understand it!"
TheRedSnifit
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He said that the Wii U was just as powerful as PS360 because games released in the U's first six months don't look as good as games that came out six years into the PS360's lifespan.
I don't get it. Why doesn't Nintendo just focus on Indy devs? I mean, Nintendo is all about providing different experiences with their gaming, and Indy devs are forced to make their games stand out in positive ways, (See: Gameplay), due to limitations.
It seems at first glance that there's no reason for them to not focus on making the system perfect for indie developers.
It seems at first glance that there's no reason for them to not focus on making the system perfect for indie developers.
DragonSworne
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One only has to look at the Wii u specs to know that Wii u is more powerful than current gen games.
Anyone who denies it is just trolling. The thing they should really be upset is why did Nintendo waste resources and money in making a tiny box when it could have been put to better use in making the Wii u more competitive.
What specs?
DragonSworne
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The neogaf threads where the chips have been broken down.
ClovingWestbrook
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That isn't going to move hardware unless they have a few Minecraftesque titles.*
*Theu don't and most likely won't even have one.
DragonSworne
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Because people can figure out if Nintendo is just being lazy with their game development. If all we get out of Nintendo are NSMBU and Pikmin 3 quality graphics, I'll be disappointed because I know the system can do better.
So you mean the ones where in the end no one knows anything. The only known value fore sure is the RAM, there's more of it, but also a lot locked for the OS and it's also slow as fuck. So yeah.
ClovingWestbrook
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Smh
Diablo Rosso
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I don't even...
Psycho_Mantis
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But it has Nintendo on it. Surely that means something.
DragonSworne
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True, we might know the exact specs of Wii U, but that dooesn't mean we don't know for a fact that wii U is more powerful than current gen.
That's not even debatable reading those threads.
President and CEO of Nintendo Satoru Iwata cares, which is what this topic is about:
If he and Nintendo did not care, then he would not have made such a comment. This topic is 18 pages, clearly plenty of people care.
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