Galacticos
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Wait, they're so far behind on internal development they're trying to buy 3rd party exclusives to fill in?
That's bad.
That's bad.
Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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so 2 jaguar cores clocked at 1.6 ghz and a gpu clocked 800 mhz being too hot nowdays? this sound literally crazy
these 28-nm chips will have power envelopes of 15W or less
the latest x360s had a XCGPU 45-nm chip where the cpu is clocked a 3.2ghz
maybe he just didnt tell u what they changed or we dont know the true clock of the gpu
dont think that a new jaguar che be hotter than the old xcgpu..sorry...
they must have changed something
They don't have ATX to work with. Also this heat is much more important than your oveclocked pc. More heat = more probles and this means they also need to predict that some people are stupid and will close their console somewhere.
so 2 jaguar cores clocked at 1.6 ghz and a gpu clocked 800 mhz being too hot nowdays? this sound literally crazy
these 28-nm chips will have power envelopes of 15W or less
the latest x360s had a XCGPU 45-nm chip where the cpu is clocked a 3.2ghz
maybe he just didnt tell u what they changed or we dont know the true clock of the gpu
dont think that a new jaguar che be hotter than the old xcgpu..sorry...
they must have changed something
Are you aware that every case+fan/heatsink combo has a thermal envelope and a cooling profile that's safe for certain levels of performance?
Interesting you want proof.
Yet rumors appear to be enough to confirm all the negativity for the Xbox?
The camera thing with the PS4 comes from the fact that the DS4 has that light that the camera picks up to assign and track controllers. So its assumed you'll need the camera.
Maybe this is what happens when you take a torch to your internal development capacity mid way through a generation and then go on a last minute hiring spree for next-gen.
Teams don't just necessarily come together and start producing quality output at the drop of a hat.
This might be where having a more consistent, committed strategy around internal development is useful.
I'm sure it'll be OK though. There are external partnerships to be made.
Teams don't just necessarily come together and start producing quality output at the drop of a hat.
This might be where having a more consistent, committed strategy around internal development is useful.
I'm sure it'll be OK though. There are external partnerships to be made.
This is also why i am worried about MS. They hired a lot of people but as you said they just can't produce AAA games out of thin air.
Sony on other hand bought established studios that had portfolio and were complete.
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Not that Microsoft is entirely above using bullshot footage to represent their games, but they never went as far as Sony. The first thing you see in the Project Natal announcement video is "Product vision: actual features and functionality may vary.", and pretty much all the shown functionality has been implemented eventually. Kinect Star Wars (just like most other Kinect demos) was just prerecorded footage of the actual game, and it never looked particularly good, certainly not misleading. And while the Project Milo introduction video was clearly prescripted, all the shown functionality was demonstrated behind closed doors, and later publicly.
Lagspike_exe
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They probably just not have enough stuff to fill up the launch window, so they're augmenting their lineup with paid exclusives.
Gemüsepizza;56224208 said:
i dont see them pushing in ghz/mhz/ram clock
between the two console if they will have + or - same form factors (some cm less maybe)
the one who could go hotter is the ps4 just for the type of ram...lol
but seriously IMHO if durango dosnt changed gpu in the last year (after the vgleaks rumor)....this two system will not have any heat problems
Without enough time to redesign properly. Lead free solders not a problem if you design around it.
shinra-bansho
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VGLeaks had a rumor about Sony bundling the EyeToyHD with the PS4. But cost and price considerations will probably come into play as to whether it is. I don't think they're as heavily invested in it being a key feature as Microsoft are with Kinect.
Well the scary part is that they maybe running into hardware running issues with heat. After the 360 RRoD fiasco, that's all people need to hear.
You work in a PR/CS field?
sure but i think that we r going to see two system that will go at least 1/2 cooler than our old x360
if they ( i mean both sony and ms) dont reach to cooling a 1.6cpu theres something wrong with them...
both xenon and cell was both very high clock cpus ...3+ ghz cmon
sorry again for my poor english
Maximilian Kolbe
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When we talk about Durango we need to write worst case
More worse means more believable
Lagspike_exe
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The PlayStation Eye is being bundled with the PS4. Where have you been?! And it's not "a Kinect".
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They started expanding the list of their first party studios with 343i in 2007, Good Science and BigPark in 2009, Vancouver, Victoria, Soho and KALE in 2011 (perhaps earlier for some of those), and acquired established studios Twisted Pixel in 2011 and Press Play in 2012. I don't think the rumored problems stem from Microsoft not getting ready for the next generation on time.
Your english is fine, actually - you're doing well there. However, Microsoft and Sony could both have different priorities as to how they sell their consoles & who they are trying to appeal to. And this is where the design of the box/form factor comes into play.
I'm not going to comment on the rumour itself, however it is easily possible to have issues cooling even low-powered netbook/tablet-style chips when you're dealing with limitations in size, form factor, cooling amount, cooling budget, etc. That's why the testing phase of hardware design is always horrific for the designers and engineers, especially when they run into the finance people.
343 was working on current gen.
The rest were, I think, cutting it too close. Starting up things in 2011, targeting 2013 releases on new hardware, expecting bankable quality? Naive to say the least. Of course some of these things aren't going to work out. Jump starting new teams is always a risk.
Raonak
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It really wouldn't be that hard, the source could be a games journalist or a developer, they'd have access to infromation about both consoles.
Theres a lot of information shared "off the record" between people in the games industry. Especially between games journalists.
Possible but I think they are way too far along with their own plans to change it. Its not a simple 'swap out some RAM and do a few tweaks.' No matter what happens, the 21st is going to be very interesting for both fans and trolls alike.
There is no source for this, trust me I got flamed for it in a previous thread, even though it's likely going to happen for every reason under the sun. And it's pretty much a Kinect in terms of being a 3D camera, except for having better capture specs. All the cool stuff about Kinect like the adaptive voice recognition, joint recognition and the amount of players it can support remains to be seen.
#rise #rise #rise
Lagspike_exe
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No, unless they changed the arhitecture of the system drastically (like going to Power PC), which they haven't.
Why not? Besides all the shitty hardware Sony (as a whole) released, they are still a hardware company. It's time that they get their shit together.
I seriously doubt that MS is going into a RROD 2.0 or big trouble with heating. That was probably their first checkmark on their Xbox720 list: 1. "Keep the fucker cool".
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I sincerely doubt that current gen was all that 343i was working on, you don't set out to create what is basically a new engine at the tail end of the generation without keeping an eye on the next one.
What about those 2009 studios? What about Rare, Lionhead, Turn 10? What about external partnerships that Microsoft has always depended on in significant capacity? Canceled projects or not, I'm certain that we won't see a significant drought of first party published content when the next Xbox actually arrives (and of course, there will be some third party exclusivity deals as well). I definitely expect a better situation than the last time around when we had three first party retail games at launch, then absolutely nothing for full nine months.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Ugh,where it said all these new studios will release new game this year and where it said 343 still working on current gen?
I think people need to remember what the 360 launch lineup was:
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Call of Duty 2
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Every Party
FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup
Gun
Kameo: Elements of Power
Madden NFL 06
NBA 2K6
NBA Live 06
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
NHL 2K6
Perfect Dark Zero
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie
Project Gotham Racing 3
Quake 4
Ridge Racer 6
Tetris: The Grandmaster ACE
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
Geometry Wars basically saved the whole launch. If they have Forza and a half decent arcade title to they'll be hard pushed to do any worse than their last go round.
Amped 3
Call of Duty 2
Condemned: Criminal Origins
Every Party
FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup
Gun
Kameo: Elements of Power
Madden NFL 06
NBA 2K6
NBA Live 06
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
NHL 2K6
Perfect Dark Zero
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie
Project Gotham Racing 3
Quake 4
Ridge Racer 6
Tetris: The Grandmaster ACE
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
Geometry Wars basically saved the whole launch. If they have Forza and a half decent arcade title to they'll be hard pushed to do any worse than their last go round.
Damn I hope Condemned returns.
last minute change means delays into most likely next year.
Quinton McLeod
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This is what happened folks. In my opinion, Nintendo forced Microsoft and Sony to play their hand with the announcement of the WiiU. With further pressure from 3rd parties on developing a new console, both Microsoft and Sony were caught with their pants down. I feel as though both of these next gen consoles are being rushed and will run into many more problems than what Nintendo is running into with the Wii U.
mysteriousmage09
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L O fucking L.
No way. They both had plans for their next consoles in the drawer for a long time.
If anything it was the WiiU that was seemingly rushed out, given its technical problems and poor software support. They needed to get that thing out before the actual next generation of consoles hit. I think that both the PS4 and the next Xbox will launch in a way better state than the WiiU as far as hardware quality and launch line-up are concerned.
No. You're wrong.
Quinton McLeod
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To further elaborate:
The announcement of the Wii U forced the start of the next generation. This is why Microsoft and Sony are scrambling to release their systems. However, they didn't have the extra time Nintendo had in building their next gen console. This is why I believe these companies (Microsoft and Sony) will run into some serious launch problems.
Was that supposed to make it better?
shinra-bansho
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LMFAO. This is the thread that keeps on giving.
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Hardly, everyone expected the announcement of Wii HD way back in 2010.
Work on PS4 started in 2008.
Not to most gamers or tech enthusiasts. It was a stop-gap to try and prop up Nintendo's fortunes and Nintendo hoped it went crazy like the Wii did.
Sony and MS are not scrambling to do anything, since it is about time new and powerful tech appeared on the horizon. Nintendo had loads of time working on tech since its not modern tech and they still could not get a great launch line-up or titles for the following 12 months.
Nah, I'm pretty sure Mark Cerny just sat there twiddling his thumbs until WiiU came out.
Quinton McLeod
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Work could have started, but it had to have gotten scraped all together, because the PS4 is using the Jaguar APU, which is a fairly new processor. As for the Wii U, it appears as though Nintendo has changed little with the overall architecture over the 3 years prior to its announcement compared to Sony.
The 2009 studios were established for Kinect's benefit chiefly. If they turned their attention to next-gen it will have been relatively recently.
Rare/Lionhead/Turn 10 may have been eying next gen for longer, but on their own wouldn't be able to support the slate Microsoft is probably targeting. If they could I don't think you'd have had that flurry of activity post-2010.
I'm not predicting problems in terms of product, like I said, there are external partnerships to be had that can fill in gaps. All I'm saying is that if they had a longer term established internal capacity set up, that had iterated on and matured their production processes over a generation or two, they might have gotten better results and more predictable quality than Kotaku is rumouring. Sort of realising after 2010 'oh sh-t, we need to ramp up development again!' for next-gen, it isn't necessarily going to go as swimmingly as they might hope.
And initial plans (Intel Larrabee) were discarded in 2009./2010. when Sony decided to go with AMD. At least if rumors from Japan are reliable.
But the statement about Nintendo putting the pressure on Microsoft and Sony is hilarious.
Quinton McLeod
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1) That's not true. Iwata was quoted as saying that the Wii's success was unexpected and that they did not expect to catch lightning in the bottle again with the Wii U.
2) This is also not true. The tech is modern. None of us even know what the GPU is. We have a thread with 30+ pages in which we all conclude that we just don't know what the hell it is. Where do you get your information?
What else could've motivated Sony and Microsoft to release both of their systems on the same year at the same time? 3rd parties alone didn't do it. The older generation systems are still selling. Sony and Microsoft both said they wanted this generation to last 10 years. So, what is it, hmm?
People always like to laugh at Nintendo and think of them as non-factors or non-competition. Then, the next thing you know, the competitors copy Nintendo's success. It happens nearly every generation. You'd think people would wake up and notice this by now.