He was temp banned once for not revealing more info after promising he will do so. I only remember that one.
Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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He was temp banned once for not revealing more info after promising he will do so. I only remember that one.
If I recall correctly, people were blasting him because he took a stance before Sonys conference where he said that 8GB GDDR5 was nearly impossible. At least I think that was him.
When Sony came out with 8GBs GDDR5, people saw it as an opportunity to knock him on his ass.
Again, that might not have been thuway. There are too many "insiders" anymore for me to keep track of. I dont know who is who
That is what I want to see. Where has Thuway been spot on multiple times?
Didn't pretty much every credible insider here on GAF get the 8gb of DDR5 wrong with the PS4? I remember reading most of them saying it wasn't possible or there was no way Sony would do it.
At this point, 21 days out from the reveal, rumors will come fast and hard. I think Kotaku has potential to drop double digit figures of articles claiming to know all about the Durango before the reveal.
It sure is exciting times right now, I'm curious to see what rumor today brings.
At this point, 21 days out from the reveal, rumors will come fast and hard. I think Kotaku has potential to drop double digit figures of articles claiming to know all about the Durango before the reveal.
It sure is exciting times right now, I'm curious to see what rumor today brings.
You believe that $60 games for the next Xbox are going to be run inside WinRT?
I think a lot are just bottling it all in and on the verge of this.. but just resisting.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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As others have already pointed out, you're assuming way too much. There's no chance in the world that Microsoft would be willing to give Nintendo two holidays back when it was still impossible to tell how well the Wii U would do. So no, the whole "Microsoft wanted to wait till 2014" theory has a blatant gaping hole.
ok but
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=51795018&postcount=3150
"The current devkits have 7970's inside them. If games were designed using that part, when moving to beta devkits (which btw most third parties don't have yet, and are quite pissed about) they will receive a downgrade of some form."
i was waiting for an answer about this ...before i get registred on gaf too
if someone can explain this in a reasonable way...i can take the heat issue for good...
specialguy
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I dont understand, also, why we apparently have rumors "Durango having heat problems"
But we dont have rumors of "Durango cant keep up with PS4" or "Ps4 cant keep up with Durango"
I wish we would start getting rumors comparing the two systems directly. It's almost getting weird how little we have heard in that regard, aka absolutely nothing.
But we dont have rumors of "Durango cant keep up with PS4" or "Ps4 cant keep up with Durango"
I wish we would start getting rumors comparing the two systems directly. It's almost getting weird how little we have heard in that regard, aka absolutely nothing.
Holy shit at that spin. So basically the PS3 is unreliable because the fat model was unreliable? :lol
My fat PS3 is still going strong and has been pointed out by others that the fat's reliability is MUCH MUCH better than what you are trying to spin it to be.
Uno Venova
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It's not just thuway, the aim do discredit insiders have been thrown at everyone suddenly in this thread. I thought he brought the DDR3, ESRAM and GDDR5 bandwith speeds?
Kazuma Kiryu
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sony and nintendo have released several consoles (and handhelds), but they haven't released anything remotely close to the 360's 40 to 60 percent failure rate, if that even is the true failure rate, like microsoft did.
RROD was something far bigger than sony's cheap dvd drive in the ps2, the wii overheating because it was always on and some launch ps3's having the ylod, or whatever other problem you want to mention from nintendo or sony.
What's your question?
BlazingDarkness
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My guess is that he types like that to make it difficult to search for his posts, as any future mentions of the rumours will just be typed normally by others posters, so typing it in Google won't necessarily take you to the source.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Don't care Thuway is reliable or not,but actually he just said it's hotter than MS expecting,doesn't mean it have heat issue
Well who know what's MS target of console temperature
Well who know what's MS target of console temperature
Launch PS3s were unreliable. That's all I was saying. Again, most people willing to would admit that. Ditto for PS2. The revisions were fine.
I'm not spinning anything. You seem to be trying to put words in my mouth.
ThisWreckage
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This is where I ignore you from now until oblivion. You were shown references, a mod verified his legitimacy, and yet you still play dumb. The act is old and I've grown tired.
Next thing he might say is RROD's issue was just from the vocal minorities and MS's $1Bn costs from that was just part of MS's extra budget.
if Thuway rumors r legits...like this one about the heating issue
ppl should take for good also the 7970 one...
and IF that is real too..why Thuway talk about a downgrade...that if u ask me sound crazy jump from a 7970 lvl of perfomance to a 1.2 console
and yeah i know console r closed enviroments but the difference is too much
so im asking is true that the devkit sport a 7970? and this mean they poiting a same gaming performance?
Its tiresome to have to repeat myself if people would just read, but I will anyway, for the cheap seats.
I never said that the PS2 and 3 were on RROD levels. But 40-60% for RROD? Relax.
yes rrod was a bigger issue but ms gave you a 3 year warranty where sony only one and then if you wanted to fix it you had to pay 200euros. (all electronics in Europe have 2 years warranty. Sony didn't obey that rule).
LittleJohnny
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If a rumor is too hard to believe, it probably isn't true
Seriously though, it's really hard to pick out what is real and what is FUD when in the middle of the heated console wars.
SniperHunter
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Earlier someone said that they were aiming for a 7970 but it was too hot and too expensive so they ditched it....
If they are, that really would be a megaton. It would mean going forward, games only available in app store and only for win8+.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Well few days ago a taiwan AMD engineer(maybe,not so sure) talked about 1.5 years ago a company(he didn't said which one) wanna use 7970 as GPU,but give up because cost
quoting my self:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56159512&postcount=435
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=56162412&postcount=526
McHuj
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I maintain that they would have used a 7970 because that's the only card that could emulate the combined bandwidth of the embedded and regular RAM pools. The theoretical teraflop performance had nothing to do with the choice, imo.
Lady Deathstrike
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I don't even think the launch PS2s were that bad. Mine gave out 5 years down the road. I think what gave people a lot of hubbub about the PS2 (DRE) was that Sony WOULD NOT let the warranty cover it. Their excuse was that it was the consumer's fault, and I don't think I need to elaborate what happened later on.
Maximilian Kolbe
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7870 already enough to emulate
The original PSX was horrible. Every single one I ever owned had the laser reader drop (and become useless). There's a reason Shinji Mikami went on a rant about how Sony purposely built their hardware to break. It was white hot trash in the build department.
DRE wasn't the only problem. Drives were scratching discs, power was completely dying in them plus other minor isolated issues.
DRE was just the major major one. My launch PS2 scratched my Tekken Tag. Luckily Target replaced both the game and console, then Sony sent me a free copy too!
even that doesn't makes sense. A 7970 is too hot and expensive you know that from the beginning. You know its a risk. You wouldn't send dev kits with that one if you wasn't sure you can make it work. We aren't talking about amateur companies here. They have people that are way clever to do stupid thing like this.
so this mean that they jumped from a 7970 performance idea coz cost too much...to a 1.2tf console with heating issue?
isnt this sounding ..a little bit weird at least?
McHuj
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Only the XT that released late last year, you also probably have some debug tools running that are consuming resources and you don't want them to eat up your dedicated resources.
gaming_noob
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A source from GAF mentioned to me via PM that Sony had a 7970 in their dev kits.
SniperHunter
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The source is wrong, PS4 dev kits were extremely weak from day 1, they gradually got better but they never had a 7970
Karma keeps asking for proof that thurway is legit. People give examples, he ignores them or says that's not good enough, and asks for more proof. That's about it.
WinRT games are Direct X and C++ for the most part, there is no reason that it has to be limited to basic touch types of games.
Not really. I also got sucked in to a console reliability argument. I apologize for the derailment.
yeah but he said "the CURRENT devkits"...on (03-28-2013, 10:28 AM) date
Lady Deathstrike
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I did not hear about the thing scratching disks until now. Even then, the warranty covered it, in all likelihood, right? I know the DRE was around long after the initial launch line-up and it didn't matter if your PS2 was only two months old; DRE and you were out of luck..at first.
The 192 bandwidth speeds were talked about as early as June 2012 from VGleaks.
I don't thing anyone gave a proper example. unless you are talking about pms.
What the fuck. Where are all these examples? Someone said that he was first to mention the 192 bandwidth for PS4. I asked for a link. I also know that VGleaks mentioned the 192 bandwidth last year. If someone can show that Thuway knew before that then great.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Well that guy said next-gen PS:Xbox=7850:7870,so i don't take that too seriously,almost every rumor aiming 1.2tf
But something pretty interesting was the comment of that taiwan thread
The interesting part is someone said "but most believable rumor is 720 will use 7770 like GPU"
Then other peoples(not him and more than one person) said something like"lol why you try to use rumor to against his first-hand info?"
"use rumor said obov(AMD engineer) is wrong?lol that's funny"
So i wanna see what will happen if he's wrong(seems likely),because people in their trust him like we trust vgleaks/edge etc.but i don't really know how to get in that forum lol
I heard that MS mentioned in one of the first Alpha-Devkit manual that they were targeting the practical (AKA bruteforce) performance of a GTX 680, so I guess devs started developing games with that in mind. A 7970 is somewhat close in performance to a 680 but you have to consider that the Alpha-Kits were basically normals PCs with off the shelv hardware + Durango SDK. Devs and the compiler weren't able to optimize and thus, more or less, had to bruteforce data into the GPU (or say emulate the Durango GPU). In MY opinion(!), if the compiler and the customization is good, they can compensate the large jump from a 7970 to a 7770 with these optimizations. Thuway may thought otherwise and thus came up with the downgrade thing. I think it was pure speculation on his side.
specialguy
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umm no. this doesn't fit any reasonable, well, reasonableness, unless the durango gpu is so loaded with special sauce it makes a big mac jealous (eg, so much it makes a supposed 1.2 tf's act like 3.5 or whatever the 7970 is)
hell, the documentation for one version of the dev kit or another spoke of a gpu "of similar capability to the final" or something. Which I believe would be the idea in the first place.
it's likely thuway just struck out on that 7970 rumor. it simply does not make sense, and fits with nothing i've heard.
nothing i've heard makes sense of that.
again, it just doesn't make sense for them to talk about 680's or 7970's at any point, while planning to ship 1.2 tf's. one or the other is wrong.
21st cant come soon enough! it's weird how durango spec rumors have suddenly gone dark...
Well yeah, I am. I personally don't have proof or anything to back up thurway.
SniperHunter
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well that's a HUGE relief!