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Thank you! That really means a lot. Follow up to what in particular?
After leaving, do you see the same doctors or people for a period of time or is it just when you're there? I don't know how long ago this happened, but have you ever felt like you've relapsed?

Sorry I'm asking so many questions. Thank you for talking about this.
 
After leaving, do you see the same doctors or people for a period of time or is it just when you're there? I don't know how long ago this happened, but have you ever felt like you've relapsed?

Sorry I'm asking so many questions. Thank you for talking about this.

Don't apologize! I love getting questions. :)

I actually just left earlier today. It's hard to say whether or not I'll continue to feel extremely happy and motivated, but being there for four days has completely turned my entire mood and thoughts around. They taught me coping mechanisms and such. For my follow up, I'm supposed to go to out-patient counseling every so often to talk about my meds and mood. I'm going to continue taking Wellbutrin daily. I have really high hopes from here on out, and I seriously can't believe how quickly the counseling helped. I really really hope I continue feeling this good from here on out.
 
Admitted myself to the psych unit at my local hospital because I was wanting to kill myself and was terrified I'd follow through. Went through four days of treatment and counseling, met some of the most amazing people ever, and feel better now than I have in years. They changed my meds to Wellbutrin which has been helping already, especially with my concentration problems. Living there for 4 days was hard due to the lack of outside air, comfy bed, and internet. I survived though and came out a better, happier, and stronger person.

My girlfriend of two years actually dumped me while I was there at the hospital, being treated for depression and suicidal thoughts. Thoughtful, yeah?

Oh man! So glad to hear you're okay and that you made the decision to get help. That is super brave. Thanks so much for sharing your story and letting us know you're okay.

And man, that is one not so great girlfriend! Who does that?!
 
Oh man! So glad to hear you're okay and that you made the decision to get help. That is super brave. Thanks so much for sharing your story and letting us know you're okay.

And man, that is one not so great girlfriend! Who does that?!

Someone who doesn't understand depression and lacks empathy. I wouldn't wish what she did even on my worst enemy. Just heartless. /:

EDIT: Ah! Also, thank you so much. :) This thread has really helped me a lot and contributed to me deciding to admit myself.
 
any of you guys got anxiety issues ?? I need some advice to get them under control be for I try to enlist (starting to think its really due to the crazy amounts of stress in my relationship) I kinda want to get it under control with out meds. I just having Panic attack late last year and Its really been worrisome cause ive never deal with this before didnt even have this problem a year ago. :\
 
Admitted myself to the psych unit at my local hospital because I was wanting to kill myself and was terrified I'd follow through. Went through four days of treatment and counseling, met some of the most amazing people ever, and feel better now than I have in years. They changed my meds to Wellbutrin which has been helping already, especially with my concentration problems. Living there for 4 days was hard due to the lack of outside air, comfy bed, and internet. I survived though and came out a better, happier, and stronger person.

My girlfriend of two years actually dumped me while I was there at the hospital, being treated for depression and suicidal thoughts. Thoughtful, yeah?

Thats interesting, me personally would have probably killed her as soon as i left the hospital. Yeah fuck with the crazy depressed guy thats a great idea!
 
Honestly man there is so much about that bolded part, and your story, which is amazing, except for the girlfriend part, that I'm kinda speechless. Well done. Just well, well done indeed sir.

That really means so much to me, thank you. It took a lot of courage and will power to do it, but I'm so happy I did. I feel if I didn't, I wouldn't be alive to tell the tale.

Thats interesting, me personally would have probably killed her as soon as i left the hospital. Yeah fuck with the crazy depressed guy thats a great idea!

Oh, trust me, I was and am still extremely mad. I haven't spoken to her since then. I'm mostly hurt, though, that someone who claims to have loved me for two years could do that.
 
That really means so much to me, thank you. It took a lot of courage and will power to do it, but I'm so happy I did. I feel if I didn't, I wouldn't be alive to tell the tale.



Oh, trust me, I was and am still extremely mad. I haven't spoken to her since then. I'm mostly hurt, though, that someone who claims to have loved me for two years could do that.

How exactly does that work, admitting yourself? Does health insurance cover it or are you in severe debt now or something?
 
It was covered via Medicaid, so yeah, my health insurance. Not a penny out of my pocket.

Hmm, well thats good. Sounds like a positive experience. I know when i was admitted like 12 years ago when i was a minor i had to hang out with a bunch of folk that liked to burn stuff and the doctors didnt seem all that interested in helping me. One doctor said they thought it was too late for me. Probably why i still want to die most days, even 12 years later. Its a small miracle i even have a job right now!
 
Hmm, well thats good. Sounds like a positive experience. I know when i was admitted like 12 years ago when i was a minor i had to hang out with a bunch of folk that liked to burn stuff and the doctors didnt seem all that interested in helping me. One doctor said they thought it was too late for me. Probably why i still want to die most days, even 12 years later. Its a small miracle i even have a job right now!

I do believe, with psych units, it's hit or miss. I was lucky enough to be treated by great counselors, caring nurses, and a smart doctor. Honestly, though, I think the friends I made there helped the most. Hearing other people's stories is so inspirational.
 
Admitted myself to the psych unit at my local hospital because I was wanting to kill myself and was terrified I'd follow through. Went through four days of treatment and counseling, met some of the most amazing people ever, and feel better now than I have in years. They changed my meds to Wellbutrin which has been helping already, especially with my concentration problems. Living there for 4 days was hard due to the lack of outside air, comfy bed, and internet. I survived though and came out a better, happier, and stronger person.

My girlfriend of two years actually dumped me while I was there at the hospital, being treated for depression and suicidal thoughts. Thoughtful, yeah?

Your ex is a bitch, dude. I don't use that word lightly but in this case, I feel it's justified. You deserve considerable praise for doing what you did because I've been there and it's not easy to make that decision.
 
Me three. Lets make a murder-suicide pact!

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Your ex is a bitch, dude. I don't use that word lightly but in this case, I feel it's justified. You deserve considerable praise for doing what you did because I've been there and it's not easy to make that decision.

Thank you so much. It was very difficult, yeah. Also, yes, what she did was a huge bitch move. I didn't know people were capable of being that cruel. Luckily I was able to handle it well and cope so it didn't bother me so much after a while.
 
Maybe she wanted to dump you without worry that you'd hurt yourself and so she did it when you were surrounded by people looking out for you.
 
I do believe, with psych units, it's hit or miss. I was lucky enough to be treated by great counselors, caring nurses, and a smart doctor. Honestly, though, I think the friends I made there helped the most. Hearing other people's stories is so inspirational.

I wish more people had your experience, but we've had just as many stories about people getting totally burned. It matters where you end up. Like with anything else, there are good facilities and bad facilities. I was EXTREMELY lucky. This is a huge psychiatric center, so you generally end up in a unit with people with similar disease severity. I was on the adult mood disorders unit, which was pretty chill. We were all pretty sick - you have to be to get admitted these days - but no one was psychotic or anything. We were all just really depressed. We could get day passes to go out and stuff (I never did. It was a locked unit, but I could have visitors and we got to go outside and stuff).

If hospitalization is potentially in your future, you might think about the places you can go. It can be a very positive experience, but it can also be, like, LOCKED AWAY WITH CRAZY PEOPLE.

I'm really glad it worked out for you, BigEvilTurtle!



Pact away dudes. Hell, might have some therapeutic value. Just don't fucking do it, k.

I should elaborate. Told Bagels i'd show restraint and self monitor myself in here. Wait, self monitor myself. Yeah, whatever. Or just stay out of here altogether. Talking about murder and suicide might be helpful. Acting on it, totally not. Rocket science, I know right? Anyway, I felt bad leaving it there, don't know why.

*sheepishly walks away*

As the OP says, it will get frustrating in here. And people do a good job of keeping their frustration with the less helpful stuff that gets said to PM, chat, etc.

I agree with jackbugs that it may be helpful to just be open to discussing suicide, but I really, really dislike it. A) it's not helpful to others when you say you're going to end it all. There's little to say beyond, "please don't." B) it's an extremely sensitive subject and when people start throwing around the idea of suicide, it absolutely makes people abandon the thread. And I know because I'm the one who hears about it. There are people to talk to about that stuff outside the thread, and maybe some of the discussion can help in here, but it tends to get thrown around in an almost casual way. It's a serious topic that we can help people with, but I don't like when it's thrown around so casually. It really, really bothers people, including those of us who have attempted suicide, lived with a suicide or attempt from a loved one, deal with it in our work. Just...I really hope people won't just throw the idea around. It makes people worried, uncomfortable, it derails actual discussion. That's just my thought on the matter.
 
I'm happy it's working out for you BigEvilTurtle! Sorry to hear about the breakup though :(
 
Thank you so much. It was very difficult, yeah. Also, yes, what she did was a huge bitch move. I didn't know people were capable of being that cruel. Luckily I was able to handle it well and cope so it didn't bother me so much after a while.
Glad you were able to get through all of that and also gain a lot from it! It's a pretty inspirational story!

Maybe your ex had her own whirlwind of panic when it happened and couldn't handle it and wasn't thinking when she did it. I don't know. I'm not trying to defend her, but I think it feels better not to demonize people. People can be incredibly fragile. But as you've shown, also very resilient.

Yeah sure

Heck I'd let you kill me if you want. I have no luck nothing in this shitty life worth living
Try not to give up though. You said you'd try not to.

Also, as great as morbid humour and stuff can be, and maybe the venting feels good in a "at least I have this last resort!" kind of way, it's not really helpful to be encouraging each other into a hole like this unless you're going to turn it around and say "But since we made this pact and I decided to never give up, all of you have to never give up with me!".

Life can be really hard and absurd, but I hope you can use the perspective you gained from all the struggle to find humour and hope in it regardless and just enjoy the times you can.
 
What do you mean? Tell me more and I can try to help. Depression is kind of my thing, but I'll help if i can!
dunno a bit agitated and my thoughts racing
i have taken a bit of clonazepam (0,25mg) and seroquel (50mg) to calm down besides my usual meds
 
Try not to give up though. You said you'd try not to.

Also, as great as morbid humour and stuff can be, and maybe the venting feels good in a "at least I have this last resort!" kind of way, it's not really helpful to be encouraging each other into a hole like this unless you're going to turn it around and say "But since we made this pact and I decided to never give up, all of you have to never give up with me!".

Life can be really hard and absurd, but I hope you can use the perspective you gained from all the struggle to find humour and hope in it regardless and just enjoy the times you can.

i have already given up. my therapist hate me. the gay group i go to i cannot even connect with them. i dont have nothing anymore i understand that now. i hate being the way i am and feeling the way i do. i am not attactive or interesting or anything. i know no one would even want to date me. i know why everyone here hates me. i know why eveyone around me hates me. i know why i always lose. it is because i am alive. i need to end that, then i can end everything. people dont have to read my posts anymore or listen to me cry. i think i am suppose to die you know.
 
I went and shot guns today (Shooting skeet with a shotgun). Something I thought I would never say I liked. Guns scare me in a way, because I kept having bad thoughts around them. After, I ran five miles, first workout all year.

It was truly gratifying and I was surprisingly a good shot. Seriously trying everything to get up to normal mental health, or at least shake myself out of losing a woman I proposed to. I constantly never feel good enough. I've attempted suicide twice due to this, sought family and friends help, nothing has worked. I've cut a good portion of people out of my life. The things I love (skateboarding, djing, video, art) haven't made me happy at all, I find no joy. I heard Marc Maron say on a podcast recently that the only thing that heals is time, but with me this is a pattern, I'm a pretty lonely/needy guy. I know I need to find comfort in myself, but at 27, I haven't. I have a degree, a great job (maybe a dream job), the aloneness kills me. I see a therapist but it honestly doesn't help, I either shut down completely or don't let him get a word in and I feel I'm wasting my money. She was my support system, I fucked it up. She's done. I just have extremely jealous dreams.. really sick shit.. its bad. So much self-hatred on my end.

I would go to friends and family but I feel like a burden. I don't have much family, other than an uncle. My drinking is out of control as well. I was told today, to just make it through each day. No matter what. It's getting monotonous, I need someone to come home to. I just pray for good dreams.
 
Agree agree agree. Oh geez, no, not 'throw the idea' around at all. Not here, there's places for that like you say. It's sorta the sticky dilemma with this kind of topic/thread being here at all though right? I gotta be more careful. See you're the thoughtful one.

I understand what you meant! No worries! It's a tough balance between having people be comfortable saying what they want to say, but not sitting by when people stay stuff that is hurting others.

My personal policy is now not to engage anyone who posts the kind of "I'm just going to end it all" type thing. Other people can discuss it, and try to help, and if people are honestly in crisis, they can always ask me for help. But this casual discussion of suicide gets on my nerves, drives me crazy, and it has hurt our community. I hope people understand that there is a difference between people who really are feeling like hurting themselves (and please - ask for help if things have gotten bad!) and ask for help and people who repeatedly post that their life is over and then ignore every subsequent offer of help. I only have so much energy for this and the "I'm going to end it all" cries for help can be so draining. I stopped replying to this shit - and I think I know people in here well enough to know when to honestly worry that someone is going to do something stupid - because these posts are so not helpful, and every reply just gets dismissed. I thought that was a fair solution. But it's to a point where I'm going to start asking the mods for help with this. If you're in crisis, use the OP and call some place for help. If you come to chat, you can maybe get help there. We've had people come to chat in crisis and get steered to the hospital (not my doing - I showed up late for that, but I was so proud of how people handled that, and proud of the people who got help). If you're acutely suicidal, why are you posting on a forum about it? You need better, quicker help than that. I want to respect people's need to post what they're feeling. It's not my thread. I have no power over it. But I have the same capacity to complain about inappropriate posts as anyone else in any thread. And I care enough to go ahead and do that. We've lost a lot of good members because they're fed up with these super negative posts. If you come in here and post "I think I should just kill myself," you're hurting this community and making it so other people will not come here for help. And that's completely unfair. You're welcome to ask for help in the same way that any other person is. And that means thinking about what you post. The first post in this thread goes over everything you need to know.

I'm honored that people think of me as a key member of this community, but I'm not delusional, like, "THIS IS MY THREAD. ONLY THINGS THAT MAKE ME HAPPY CAN BE POSTED." But I care a lot about this community and I'll resist if people are hurting it. It's either do what I can to keep it helpful or, like so many great people I respect and like talking to, leave. And that would hurt me a great deal.

Sorry to rant, but I keep hearing about this stuff from people, and it's a big reason why we left the old thread. It can get very toxic in here very easily. I'll ask the mods about what can be done if people start making it that way. Again, not my thread, not my forum, but I don't think I'm exempt from bringing up things that concern me, either.

Whew! MENTAL HEALTH THREAD - SERIOUS BUSINESS.


I'm going to try to go back to the psychiatrist I flipped on back in January today. This is probably going to feel like going to marriage counseling. Everything he said then was basically right, but I'd have none of it. I should probably chug a few mojitos before going since meds will put alcohol off the table again.

Glad to hear it. It doesn't sound like you're lacking for insight into your own problems. Like my silly stories (I have another to post) try to address a bit, is that what's really worrisome is when people don't perceive nuttiness as nutty. More usually, we have the problem where people do not believe they CAN be helped. They know they have problems, but they dismiss the possibility that they can be helped. Grudgingly admitting that your shrink might have been right is big, White Man. There's that cliche - did it just appear on this page? - that the best help is useless if the person doesn't want it. So going back to the doc, but wanting the help this time, maybe you'll get WAY more out of it.


God I'm so tired these days. Literally the first thing that comes to mind when I wake up is that I want to take a nap. My entire day consists of either sleeping, napping, or forcing myself to stay awake while waiting for my next nap. And when I say nap, I mean a good 7-8 hour nap.

How do I get out of this funk?

I identify with this so much. I've been very tired. I sleep poorly at night, but I just want to collapse any other time. Part of the issue is, no matter how much you sleep, if the sleep you're getting is poor - you're never going to be rested. Check out that No More Sleepless Nights book in the the OP. Generally, keep a sleep schedule. It's very hard at first, but it eventually works. I take melatonin at bedtime to force my sleep schedule when I'm trying to work at it.

And naps should be under an hour, or else they do more harm than good. I don't hold myself to that, but I'm bad at this in general.

A light box can help you wake up in the morning, if that's rough. Exercise during the day is great...I don't know. I'm struggling with this, too.


I feel like I pretty much give up...

But shiro cat! Take strength from that fat cat just not giving two fucks about anything!


any of you guys got anxiety issues ?? I need some advice to get them under control be for I try to enlist (starting to think its really due to the crazy amounts of stress in my relationship) I kinda want to get it under control with out meds. I just having Panic attack late last year and Its really been worrisome cause ive never deal with this before didnt even have this problem a year ago. :\

Lots of anxiety posts! I'm trying to work up a post about anxiety, but I don't have too much experience with it, so it's tougher to come up with advice. I'll see what I can some up with.

I do have a great guide to some CBT exercises that someone sent me! That might help! I need to post that and add it to the OP.


dunno a bit agitated and my thoughts racing
i have taken a bit of clonazepam (0,25mg) and seroquel (50mg) to calm down besides my usual meds

I hope the med helped! I took klonopin for a few brief periods when I was having panic attacks. I wish I could help more right now! We have a lot of members who have issues with anxiety, and I hope they can provide some more advice. As I said, I'm working on coming up with more things to address anxiety for the thread, but it'll take me time.

The only thing that I've been able to do that has been any help is just goof around with people on skype or in chat. People seem to like just having the distraction for a bit. It certainly helps me.

Which reminds me to post another silly story. I hope people enjoy BAGELS' HAPPY FUN TIMES STORY HOUR! I'm a big believer in humor as a coping skill. I don't know that they're the funniest stories in the world, but they made m laugh, and I have fun trying to write them up for you guys. I hope it helps in some small way.
 
So kind of a bummer of an evening for depressionGAF (I started this two evenings ago, and BOTH evenings were bummers!). People are going through various things, as is our community charter - this is a place for people going through things, so no surprises there. So...another “funny” story, as much for my mental health as yours. :)

The theme is once again “the craziest man in the asylum is not the guy swallowing all of the spoons; it’s his buddy who says, ‘so why are you even in here...?’”

So I have a friend who went to an all-boys prep school. And he was telling us some stories about the twisted stuff they got up to. One story was about a craze for “sky-dumping.” This involved shimmying up the wall of a bathroom stall, like Sam Fischer (but with acne), and attempting to use the potty. So this is the kind of creatively, twistedly, juvenile thing you’d expect from a group of teenage boys left to their own devices in a dorm.

So after hearing this little story, my conservative evangelical friend was SUPER excited: “Guys! I have to tell you about this! This was the best prank EVER!” Apparently Christian colleges are like boys’ prep schools, only MORE DEPRAVED.

So my buddy lived in the dorm at ULTRA CONSERVATIVE UNIVERSITY, and the communal floor showers, which could be opened from inside or out for some reason (odd...), were an obvious focus for COMPLETELY HOMOEROTIC “pranks.” Like, grabbing another man’s penis gets you sent to hell, unless it’s a “joke” at your Christian College in which case it’s A-OK AND hilarious! I dunno, man. I went to a secular, commie, liberal, state school, and I never once considered opening someone’s shower stall, let alone making a playful grab for his genitals. Is that just me? I’m a bit of a prude, but idk. That would have been an issue.

So anyway, there was a solid week where this one “prank” - and i need the quotes, you’ll see - just took over. So here’s what my friend thought was so clever. It started when one guy TOOK A SHIT ON A PAPER PLATE (wut.) opened a shower stall and THREW IT ON THE PERSON IN THERE. This is the joke: throwing feces on another human being.

And then this escalated. So friend Dave, who cannot breathe from laughing as he describes this week of terror, in which people keep trying to "get back" at each other, using increasing amounts of poop (one of the greatest human disease vector of all time, mind you!), ends the story with, “Yeah, I couldn’t shower for three days because, if you went in the showers, someone would throw their poop on you! Everyone was doing it! HAHAHAHAHA!” And my other friends and I are just staring at him, open-mouthed, just horrified. Like, this is so beyond the pale - in Lord of Flies there’s no scene with the kids throwing their poop on each other! They don’t stoop that low! Who does that? Wouldn’t you have second thoughts when you’re POOPING ON A PAPER PLATE IN YOUR DORM ROOM, like, “maybe this is going too far? Maybe I should just never mention I even had this idea...”

And what person is taking a shower, and someone opens the stall and throws their feces on him, and he’s like, “man, you got me good! Boy is my face red!” I’d be calling anyone I could, like, we have a psychopath enrolled in this school! Get the man some help! Get a fucking SWAT team in here! Who knows what a man who will throw his shit on you is capable of!

But also, and I know this isn’t quite the same thing, but my friend believes that it is irresponsible for two adult men to enter into a committed union, but he thinks that adult men throwing their feces on each other in the shower is just fine?!?! Just that look on his face, like, can you guys believe how clever this was?!?!? Boy, did we love our pranks! These people should not be judging ANYONE.

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised, but at this ultra-conservative school, EVERY SINGLE PRANK seemed to boil down to men sexually assaulting each other. Apparently you could not lie down on the communal couches because you were guaranteed to get savagely dry-humped. All in the name of fun, of course! I don’t want to turn this into a discussion about being sexually repressed and what behaviors that can lead to (man, I’m Catholic! Like, FAMILIAR WITH THIS ISSUE!), but my mind just boggles.

I started writing a paragraph to try to draw some conclusion from all this, but it's really just an amazing story.

Apologies for random story time! Things have been a little grim, and I wanted to share something funny. I'll try to only share stories with some relevance in the future!
 
I feel like I'm going crazy again.

Last few days/weeks, I was starting to feel "ok" again, but today (yesterday night) changed that again.

I was playing some Guild Wars 2 (gaming is good to avoid depression/ocd thinking), but after a while I started to notice a big imperfection that has been haunting me for a while now: objects/npc's (etc etc) that become blurry when I pan the camera. It's like everything becomes like this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mYplcrWBdgA/TznYGaMIAVI/AAAAAAAAAXY/IiIW2YLIO9s/s1600/Double+vision.jpg when I move my character left/right and the camera follows. After a while, I wasn't playing the game anymore, I kept looking for the effect above. While doing it, I felt this anxious feeling in my stomach, as if my body knew I was getting irritated. I just logged out and turned off the computer and I haven't used it since. I'm currently typing this text on an old laggy laptop... while I have a high end computer in my room.

I don't even know why above effect is annoying me. It's normal for monitors (I have an ASUS 1ms G2G monitor) I've read multiple times, but that doesn't help me. I'm not even sure it's OCD related... I hope it is, else I'm really getting crazy..

I've actually sold a previous monitor because it was bothering me with the same problem (Dell u2312HM) so I figured this 1ms Asus monitor would be better... it actually was for a few days and I played Guild Wars 2 on it a lot, but now I noticed the exact same effect as on my first monitor and now I'll probably abandon it as well.. I just don't understand why I keep focussing on it. I've been thinking about it the entire day, even when I'm not on the pc.

Worst part if my brother is just next to my room playing on his pc. The fact he's just gaming without any problems at all while I'm obsessed over this stupid thing is even bothering me more. I'm not even finding anything online about this problem. Like nobody else notices this problem I see.

PS: I notice this effect on my PS Vita (30 fps games) and TV (ps3, HD TV programs) as well. It's probably one of these things 99,9% of people don't notice or it doesn't bother them.
 
I understand what you meant! No worries! It's a tough balance between having people be comfortable saying what they want to say, but not sitting by when people stay stuff that it hurting others.

My personal policy is now not to engage anyone who posts the kind of "I'm just going to end it all" type thing. Other people can discuss it, and try to help, and if people are honestly in crisis, they can always ask me for help. But this casual discussion of suicide gets on my nerves, drives me crazy, and it has hurt our community. I hope people understand that there is a difference between people who really are feeling like hurting themselves (and please - ask for help if things have gotten bad!) and ask for help and people who repeatedly post that their life is over and then ignore every subsequent offer of help. I only have so much energy for this and the "I'm going to end it all" cries for help can be so draining. I stopped replying to this shit - and I think I know people in here well enough to know when to honestly worry that someone is going to do something stupid - because these posts are so not helpful, and every reply just gets dismissed. I thought that was a fair solution. But it's to a point where I'm going to start asking the mods for help with this. If you're in crisis, use the OP and call some place for help. If you come to chat, you can maybe get help there. We've had people come to chat in crisis and get steered to the hospital (not my doing - I showed up late for that, but I was so proud of how people handled that, and proud of the people who got help). If you're acutely suicidal, why are you posting on a forum about it? You need better, quicker help than that. I want to respect people's need to post what they're feeling. It's not my thread. I have no power over it. But I have the same capacity to complain about inappropriate posts as anyone else in any thread. And I care enough to go ahead and do that. We've lost a lot of good members because they're fed up with these super negative posts. If you come in here and post "I think I should just kill myself," you're hurting this community and making it so other people will not come here for help. And that's completely unfair. You're welcome to ask for help in the same way that any other person is. And that means thinking about what you post. The first post in this thread goes over everything you need to know.

I'm honored that people think of me as a key member of this community, but I'm not delusional, like, "THIS IS MY THREAD. ONLY THINGS THAT MAKE ME HAPPY CAN BE POSTED." But I care a lot about this community and I'll resist if people are hurting it. It's either do what I can to keep it helpful or, like so many great people I respect and like talking to, leave. And that would hurt me a great deal.

Sorry to rant, but I keep hearing about this stuff from people, and it's a big reason why we left the old thread. It can get very toxic in here very easily. I'll ask the mods about what can be done if people start making it that way. Again, not my thread, not my forum, but I don't think I'm exempt from bringing up things that concern me, either.

Whew! MENTAL HEALTH THREAD - SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Very well put. It can definitely drive people away. It's good that this thread seems to be more specific and not just a "I'm going to do it" kind of place; that stuff is draining. It's good you're taking a stance in not replying to that kind of comments.
 
I agree. It doesn't stress me out because if you are talking like that for months on end, the words are clearly not the true indicator of impending suicidal actions. However, it is severely burdensome when someone plays that card to pull people in and then comprehensively shuts down every single response. Not even exploring suggestions first, but just shooting them down as worthless/hopeless at the very introduction of each notion and then reiterating the intent to kill oneself. What is anyone supposed to do with that? Go ahead and rant about your feelings, but to game people like that is terribly inconsiderate, especially in a community of people who typically struggle with how useful they are to others. Better to call a hotline where people are trained and actively volunteer to deal with that crap. As the title "Mental Health" would suggest, generally people here are mutually seeking it, not just engaging others about how they have given up on the pursuit and are apparently about to end everything.
 
What can the mods do? Last time I remember they banned a guy from Dating GAF for doing something similar. He was back after a year, didn't improve at all so he got permabanned.

It is a twisted way to get attention. What they never realize is that you can't keep crying wolf all the time. People stop listening to that kind of attention whoring. Then they up the ante trying to get attention but it is too late and people get annoyed.
 
In light of the conversation, this feels attention-whorey but maybe it can be of help to other people who don't feel comfortable asking.

So self harm. Anyone else have issues with this? Particularly, anyone else done a good job of overcoming it? Like, coping mechanisms so that you don't get caught up in the moment. The logic of why not to do it makes sense after the fact, but not during so I don't know. A friend suggested calling people, but I really can never make the leap of actively seeking out help when I'm feeling down. If someone is already talking to me fine, but I can't help feeling like I'm imposing when calling someone out of the blue for something like that.
 
But shiro cat! Take strength from that fat cat just not giving two fucks about anything!

Well doing that with food at the moment, not really caring if I gain weight and eating anything in sight. (And have a feeling I'll eat this tub of ben and jerry's frozen yogurt in one day =_=)
I pretty much am gaining the weight I lost four months back...

In light of the conversation, this feels attention-whorey but maybe it can be of help to other people who don't feel comfortable asking.

So self harm. Anyone else have issues with this? Particularly, anyone else done a good job of overcoming it? Like, coping mechanisms so that you don't get caught up in the moment. The logic of why not to do it makes sense after the fact, but not during so I don't know. A friend suggested calling people, but I really can never make the leap of actively seeking out help when I'm feeling down. If someone is already talking to me fine, but I can't help feeling like I'm imposing when calling someone out of the blue for something like that.

Issues as in do I do it? Yeah I have done it.
ODing and slashing my arm up, the scars are still there. I pretty much starved myself at one point but that didn't last long...
I think as for coping methods...One of the things that stop me from doing it so often as I have done in the past is giving myself a reason to keep going. A glimmer of hope, even miniscule, that there's a chance of living through all this shit was actually worth something in the end. Dreams of landing your dream job, waiting for the next Zelda game (ok I dunno bout that one...), waiting for a big concert or event coming up, building yourself so you have the potential to find love, or I know a lot of people here try to think of their family and loved ones before they even do anything.
I do agree that calling people is helpful, but I do understand it does feel imposing when you're calling out of the blue...I'm having issues with that myself but...think it's important to realize if you are really bothering them, they wouldn't bother to talk to you at all or even listen to you in the first place (you can tell full blown right away who those people are after a few minutes...).
Although there is the case where you block people out intentionally so you won't be able to stop yourself...That is more challenging and something I also battle with a lot. I think the only advice I can give for people in that state is try to do something abnormal you normally don't do in a suicidal state. Prax suggested me ages ago (I gotta find that list...) to realize I need to drink something, it could be anything, water, tea, milk etc. You have to choose something and go with it. Take the time to slowly drink it and just maybe the relaxation of doing things slowly will enable you to realize you need to talk to someone or a friend.
I dunno, I hope this helps someone.

Edit: Pau the icon change confused me, I had no idea who I was replying to at first!
 
I should be seeing my GP this week for the first time in years. Going to bring up my depression and anxiety and hopefully not leave empty-handed, which has been one of my biggest fears of talking to a doctor about this. I always think I won't be able to explain myself well enough, and fail to "convince" them that I have a problem. I appreciate that I'm not the doctor, and everything up to this point is self-diagnosis, but I have a fair idea of what I want to try (an SSRI) based on my own research and reading other people's experiences. In addition to explaining how I feel/symptoms, should I tell the doctor that's what I'm looking for, or leave it all up to them? Are SSRIs commonly prescribed on the first visit?
 
I do agree that calling people is helpful, but I do understand it does feel imposing when you're calling out of the blue...I'm having issues with that myself but...think it's important to realize if you are really bothering them, they wouldn't bother to talk to you at all or even listen to you in the first place (you can tell full blown right away who those people are after a few minutes...).

I think the issue I personally have is that after a while, it's like beating a dead horse. I know my situation isn't changing, my friends know it isn't changing so when I call them out of desperation, the conversation is basically already pre-ordained. They get desensitized to it after a while ("Oh, he's just depressed again.") and the only way to shake them up is to threaten suicide during the worst days but of course, they eventually get desensitized to that as well. It's a sick, twisted situation that often happens in severe depression. You can hurt others just by trying to let them know how much you're hurting.
 
I think the issue I personally have is that after a while, it's like beating a dead horse. I know my situation isn't changing, my friends know it isn't changing so when I call them out of desperation, the conversation is basically already pre-ordained. They get desensitized to it after a while ("Oh, he's just depressed again.") and the only way to shake them up is to threaten suicide during the worst days but of course, they eventually get desensitized to that as well. It's a sick, twisted situation that often happens in severe depression. You can hurt others just by trying to let them know how much you're hurting.

...Yeah...I also experience that...
Partially why I just wished I never had anyone so I wouldn't hurt or bother anyone...Fuck...What am I doing...
 
I feel like I'm going crazy again.

Last few days/weeks, I was starting to feel "ok" again, but today (yesterday night) changed that again.

I was playing some Guild Wars 2 (gaming is good to avoid depression/ocd thinking), but after a while I started to notice a big imperfection that has been haunting me for a while now: objects/npc's (etc etc) that become blurry when I pan the camera. It's like everything becomes like this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mYplcrWBdgA/TznYGaMIAVI/AAAAAAAAAXY/IiIW2YLIO9s/s1600/Double+vision.jpg when I move my character left/right and the camera follows. After a while, I wasn't playing the game anymore, I kept looking for the effect above. While doing it, I felt this anxious feeling in my stomach, as if my body knew I was getting irritated. I just logged out and turned off the computer and I haven't used it since. I'm currently typing this text on an old laggy laptop... while I have a high end computer in my room.

I don't even know why above effect is annoying me. It's normal for monitors (I have an ASUS 1ms G2G monitor) I've read multiple times, but that doesn't help me. I'm not even sure it's OCD related... I hope it is, else I'm really getting crazy..

I've actually sold a previous monitor because it was bothering me with the same problem (Dell u2312HM) so I figured this 1ms Asus monitor would be better... it actually was for a few days and I played Guild Wars 2 on it a lot, but now I noticed the exact same effect as on my first monitor and now I'll probably abandon it as well.. I just don't understand why I keep focussing on it. I've been thinking about it the entire day, even when I'm not on the pc.

Worst part if my brother is just next to my room playing on his pc. The fact he's just gaming without any problems at all while I'm obsessed over this stupid thing is even bothering me more. I'm not even finding anything online about this problem. Like nobody else notices this problem I see.

PS: I notice this effect on my PS Vita (30 fps games) and TV (ps3, HD TV programs) as well. It's probably one of these things 99,9% of people don't notice or it doesn't bother them.
I guess you're getting really annoyed at weird ghosting effects or something.
I think I know that feeling. I get a really anxious feeling when I start noticing my eye-floaters more or when my eyes are tired and my astigmatism makes me notice the double-vision more (same effect as you see on your monitor!). I hate vision occlusions in general and small spots of dust or streaks on my glasses drive me nuts if I start noticing so I have to clean them often~

But yeah, I think your noticing and getting an anxiety spike and then focusing on it only ramps up those feelings you have. And then maybe you start making associations and putting your brain into an anxiety loop. Like maybe you realize you are feeling this anxiety, and keep wanting to "solve it" despite it not being one of those things you can just fix. But because your brain is persistent, it keeps going over the problem trying to solve it anyway, putting you in a loop. I find the best way to deal with the issue is just to keep doing whatever you're doing (like playing the game and doing other activities to focus your attention away from it) until those details become background noise again.

Do you have a lot of issues with anxiety and getting stressed over small and what many people would think are insignificant things in general? People generally don't see what they aren't looking for and the brain fills in the rest. Give your eyes a break and find another task to do (like organizing or cooking some food that has prep work). If you want to keep gaming, try to put your focus on something else on the screen in the meanwhile, like a life bar or damage numbers or the overall flow of the game and your actions to nudge your brain away from the ghosting and framerate and maybe your brain will settle down about it.

In light of the conversation, this feels attention-whorey but maybe it can be of help to other people who don't feel comfortable asking.

So self harm. Anyone else have issues with this? Particularly, anyone else done a good job of overcoming it? Like, coping mechanisms so that you don't get caught up in the moment. The logic of why not to do it makes sense after the fact, but not during so I don't know. A friend suggested calling people, but I really can never make the leap of actively seeking out help when I'm feeling down. If someone is already talking to me fine, but I can't help feeling like I'm imposing when calling someone out of the blue for something like that.

I haven't had to deal with issues of physical self harm, but in my mind, I think the idea is it's a form of self-punishment and also an outlet for pent-up anxiety/stress from emotions. If you can still reason with yourself, it could be helpful to give yourself the space to think of whether his is the right way to deal with the feelings you have. Whether you are punishing yourself for something that you would not blame someone else for if the same had happened to them. That there is still hope for something else or you can do something small to fix your situation or make peace rather than just hurting yourself.

I understand though that there are times when there is no use in reasoning with your own brain and things just need to be "done" because your body is full of this tense energy. If you can't call someone right away, try to find way to redirect your thoughts and fulfill a different need instead. Like Oomi said, I suggested a kind of list to go through when the thought arises. So before anything else, you take a few deep breaths, swallow your saliva and go find something like milk or water or tea to take a sip of, then figure out if you're hungry and make some food. Etc. You have a whole list of things to do to take the focus away and put yourself into a different mindset or thought loop until the urges go away. Or if they don't go away, you repeat the task loop because it's a better loop.

I also think having an alternate outlet besides your body could work. You can channel this creatively maybe? Writing out a poem or paragraph about it, drawing an image with slashes, pounding a piece of clay. You can make it symbolic, which takes it a step away from physically hurting yourself, but your brain may be satisfied by the symbolism of it and the overwhelming urge can go away enough for you to do something else.
(Also, it doesn't have to be good and you can trash your stuff, but I treasure are usually, so I'd suggest for you to take a picture and document your artistic journal and struggle with yourself so it becomes "something more" part from yourself too. I tend to think creative outlets are a powerful way for people to feel a sense of achievement or agency if other parts of their lives are not yet able to give that to them.)

Well doing that with food at the moment, not really caring if I gain weight and eating anything in sight. (And have a feeling I'll eat this tub of ben and jerry's frozen yogurt in one day =_=)
I pretty much am gaining the weight I lost four months back...

Issues as in do I do it? Yeah I have done it.
ODing and slashing my arm up, the scars are still there. I pretty much starved myself at one point but that didn't last long...
I think as for coping methods...One of the things that stop me from doing it so often as I have done in the past is giving myself a reason to keep going. A glimmer of hope, even miniscule, that there's a chance of living through all this shit was actually worth something in the end. Dreams of landing your dream job, waiting for the next Zelda game (ok I dunno bout that one...), waiting for a big concert or event coming up, building yourself so you have the potential to find love, or I know a lot of people here try to think of their family and loved ones before they even do anything.
I do agree that calling people is helpful, but I do understand it does feel imposing when you're calling out of the blue...I'm having issues with that myself but...think it's important to realize if you are really bothering them, they wouldn't bother to talk to you at all or even listen to you in the first place (you can tell full blown right away who those people are after a few minutes...).
Although there is the case where you block people out intentionally so you won't be able to stop yourself...That is more challenging and something I also battle with a lot. I think the only advice I can give for people in that state is try to do something abnormal you normally don't do in a suicidal state. Prax suggested me ages ago (I gotta find that list...) to realize I need to drink something, it could be anything, water, tea, milk etc. You have to choose something and go with it. Take the time to slowly drink it and just maybe the relaxation of doing things slowly will enable you to realize you need to talk to someone or a friend.
I dunno, I hope this helps someone.

Edit: Pau the icon change confused me, I had no idea who I was replying to at first!
Is the gaining weight part really bad? Because of your avatars (and you changed it toooo! Now I want to change mine! HRM..), I keep thinking you are wispy and delicate and maybe you could use some muscle mass! xD
It's okay to indulge once in a while. And frozen yogurt isn't as bad as icecream, so uhm.. it's kind of in moderation, so you made a wiser choice than otherwise (even if you wanna say "well, all that HAD was yogurt, so it really wasn't my doing at all..", you can give yourself the freebie victory and it's okay).

I think what you wrote is good. Nothing might be 100% effective, but every little bit helps because it's like another strategy to use, and over time, the practice of all of them becomes a habit that can become a part of you.

I know you are having tough times too and I hope you're trying to take care of yourself and letting other take care of you too while dealing with all of it. And also remind yourself to take lots of breaks from even thinking about all of it because it is tiring.

I should be seeing my GP this week for the first time in years. Going to bring up my depression and anxiety and hopefully not leave empty-handed, which has been one of my biggest fears of talking to a doctor about this. I always think I won't be able to explain myself well enough, and fail to "convince" them that I have a problem. I appreciate that I'm not the doctor, and everything up to this point is self-diagnosis, but I have a fair idea of what I want to try (an SSRI) based on my own research and reading other people's experiences. In addition to explaining how I feel/symptoms, should I tell the doctor that's what I'm looking for, or leave it all up to them? Are SSRIs commonly prescribed on the first visit?
I think a lot of doctors will have had patients in the past who are in your situation and hey should be able to recognize that and refer you to help or give you some direction.
I think although you have a good idea of what you want, it's good to just discuss everything with your doctor honestly and get their take on it. Mention your symptoms and how it has been affecting your life, and mention the research you've done yourself and even how nervous you feel even bringing all of this up.

I'm sure Bagels or others with more experience with this can also help with suggestions, but glad you're taking the first step to ask for help int he first place! It was daunting for me too and I was kind of.. pleasantly surprised by how kind everyone was or how easy it was despite my worst-case-scenario fears. If you're the type to blank out, make a list to refer to (I know every time I go, I usually forget to bring up one or two things because I'm distracted).

I think the issue I personally have is that after a while, it's like beating a dead horse. I know my situation isn't changing, my friends know it isn't changing so when I call them out of desperation, the conversation is basically already pre-ordained. They get desensitized to it after a while ("Oh, he's just depressed again.") and the only way to shake them up is to threaten suicide during the worst days but of course, they eventually get desensitized to that as well. It's a sick, twisted situation that often happens in severe depression. You can hurt others just by trying to let them know how much you're hurting.
Yeah. It's hard because you know your friends and family aren't professionally trained to deal with this stuff, and no one including yourself wants to feel helpless because they don't know what to do to help you. I think a strategy to employ to help yourself and your friends/family is to suggest a weekend or future date to hang out to distract yourself. Like a "Okay, I'm feeling.. really.. really low. I just want to go see a movie and not even think. You free this Friday?". That tells them how you feel, but also shows you're putting in effort to try to cope by making a suggestion yourself, and it also and a kind of "future" by setting a day away from your immediate circumstance. If they are busy or something, try to follow through with the thing anyway. Like go to the movie and say you'll call them up and tell them how good it was. Hopefully that makes it easier on your relationships with people.

However, it's also important to also have professional help or to be able to call a crisis line too because they are actually trained to deal with those situations on a regular basis. The more supports and avenues and footholds, the better for you to be able to climb out of that dark place.
 
hey everyone, i'm a student nurse and I'm doing a clinical rotation in a psychiatric hospital and I have a quick question.. It seems to me that most of the patients I've met has had a severely traumatic event in their childhood at some point. Is this the case for many of you here too?
 
I think a lot of doctors will have had patients in the past who are in your situation and hey should be able to recognize that and refer you to help or give you some direction.
I think although you have a good idea of what you want, it's good to just discuss everything with your doctor honestly and get their take on it. Mention your symptoms and how it has been affecting your life, and mention the research you've done yourself and even how nervous you feel even bringing all of this up.

Thanks for that advice.

I've already written down a few minor things that I'll probably forget on a piece of note-paper. I'll keep it with me in my wallet just in case.
 
Issues as in do I do it? Yeah I have done it.
ODing and slashing my arm up, the scars are still there. I pretty much starved myself at one point but that didn't last long...
I think as for coping methods...One of the things that stop me from doing it so often as I have done in the past is giving myself a reason to keep going. A glimmer of hope, even miniscule, that there's a chance of living through all this shit was actually worth something in the end. Dreams of landing your dream job, waiting for the next Zelda game (ok I dunno bout that one...), waiting for a big concert or event coming up, building yourself so you have the potential to find love, or I know a lot of people here try to think of their family and loved ones before they even do anything.
I do agree that calling people is helpful, but I do understand it does feel imposing when you're calling out of the blue...I'm having issues with that myself but...think it's important to realize if you are really bothering them, they wouldn't bother to talk to you at all or even listen to you in the first place (you can tell full blown right away who those people are after a few minutes...).
Although there is the case where you block people out intentionally so you won't be able to stop yourself...That is more challenging and something I also battle with a lot. I think the only advice I can give for people in that state is try to do something abnormal you normally don't do in a suicidal state. Prax suggested me ages ago (I gotta find that list...) to realize I need to drink something, it could be anything, water, tea, milk etc. You have to choose something and go with it. Take the time to slowly drink it and just maybe the relaxation of doing things slowly will enable you to realize you need to talk to someone or a friend.
I dunno, I hope this helps someone.

Edit: Pau the icon change confused me, I had no idea who I was replying to at first!
That's some good advice for Prax. My issue is that I self harm using my own nails so there's like zero wait time between choosing to do it and actually doing it. But the next time I feel it I'll definitely try to convince myself to grab a coke or something.

Thanks for the response, Oomi. And sorry about the avatar confusion. I got tired of seeing my face. :(

I haven't had to deal with issues of physical self harm, but in my mind, I think the idea is it's a form of self-punishment and also an outlet for pent-up anxiety/stress from emotions. If you can still reason with yourself, it could be helpful to give yourself the space to think of whether his is the right way to deal with the feelings you have. Whether you are punishing yourself for something that you would not blame someone else for if the same had happened to them. That there is still hope for something else or you can do something small to fix your situation or make peace rather than just hurting yourself.

I understand though that there are times when there is no use in reasoning with your own brain and things just need to be "done" because your body is full of this tense energy. If you can't call someone right away, try to find way to redirect your thoughts and fulfill a different need instead. Like Oomi said, I suggested a kind of list to go through when the thought arises. So before anything else, you take a few deep breaths, swallow your saliva and go find something like milk or water or tea to take a sip of, then figure out if you're hungry and make some food. Etc. You have a whole list of things to do to take the focus away and put yourself into a different mindset or thought loop until the urges go away. Or if they don't go away, you repeat the task loop because it's a better loop.

I also think having an alternate outlet besides your body could work. You can channel this creatively maybe? Writing out a poem or paragraph about it, drawing an image with slashes, pounding a piece of clay. You can make it symbolic, which takes it a step away from physically hurting yourself, but your brain may be satisfied by the symbolism of it and the overwhelming urge can go away enough for you to do something else.
(Also, it doesn't have to be good and you can trash your stuff, but I treasure are usually, so I'd suggest for you to take a picture and document your artistic journal and struggle with yourself so it becomes "something more" part from yourself too. I tend to think creative outlets are a powerful way for people to feel a sense of achievement or agency if other parts of their lives are not yet able to give that to them.)
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head for why I do it. I'll try to create a loop of just drinking cans of coke, although I guess people would argue that's self harm too. :P

The creative stuff hardly ever works for me in the moment. It does afterwards though, now that you mention it. I fell asleep thinking about an extended metaphor I could write for that anthology.

Thanks for the advice, Prax. :)

hey everyone, i'm a student nurse and I'm doing a clinical rotation in a psychiatric hospital and I have a quick question.. It seems to me that most of the patients I've met has had a severely traumatic event in their childhood at some point. Is this the case for many of you here too?
Yeah. My dad was kidnapped when I was around two and my immediate family including myself was a target for the guerrilla groups in Colombia so we had to flee. It's not the root of my issues and I wouldn't be able to tell you just how much of an effect it had on me and my sister. It's complicated. Psychologists have a field day when I tell them about it though. Dat early childhood trauma.
 
Playing Depression Quest right now, hauntingly authentic so far, very admirable what the creator of this game accomplished. I hope this game helps raise awareness on what depression actually is like. A true legitimate illness, I think it's simply incomprehensible to most normal people. What makes this game sting however is the simple fact that my situation is even worse than this game despite having medication and a therapist. . .
 
hey everyone, i'm a student nurse and I'm doing a clinical rotation in a psychiatric hospital and I have a quick question.. It seems to me that most of the patients I've met has had a severely traumatic event in their childhood at some point. Is this the case for many of you here too?

I'll just say in my case, yes. But I don't think everyone has to have some horrible thing to have happened to them for them to be depressed.
 
hey everyone, i'm a student nurse and I'm doing a clinical rotation in a psychiatric hospital and I have a quick question.. It seems to me that most of the patients I've met has had a severely traumatic event in their childhood at some point. Is this the case for many of you here too?

Nope. The illness runs in my family but in this case, it is strictly situational.
 
hey everyone, i'm a student nurse and I'm doing a clinical rotation in a psychiatric hospital and I have a quick question.. It seems to me that most of the patients I've met has had a severely traumatic event in their childhood at some point. Is this the case for many of you here too?

No specific childhood trigger for me. Probably a result of genetics, my mom is ill, my sibling are ill, lots of suicides on one side of the family.

My genetics just feel like a ticking time bomb, few seem to escape the adult onset of mental illness like the fucking Targaryens, and in-addition we're just predisposed to traditional disease like cancer. A fucking shitty hand dealt by the harsh dealer that is life.
 
What can the mods do? Last time I remember they banned a guy from Dating GAF for doing something similar. He was back after a year, didn't improve at all so he got permabanned.

It is a twisted way to get attention. What they never realize is that you can't keep crying wolf all the time. People stop listening to that kind of attention whoring. Then they up the ante trying to get attention but it is too late and people get annoyed.

I'm glad people were ok with that post. I hate getting all bitchy, but when people tell me they don't feel like they can come in here, because of a certain kind of post, it really makes me upset.

I don't know what the mods will do, tbh. I'll kinda ask and see if it's the kind of thing they don't want to be bothered with or whatever. But I feel like I've been way too reluctant to complain, and I keep telling people not to get all mad in the thread. I don't think it's working.


I should be seeing my GP this week for the first time in years. Going to bring up my depression and anxiety and hopefully not leave empty-handed, which has been one of my biggest fears of talking to a doctor about this. I always think I won't be able to explain myself well enough, and fail to "convince" them that I have a problem. I appreciate that I'm not the doctor, and everything up to this point is self-diagnosis, but I have a fair idea of what I want to try (an SSRI) based on my own research and reading other people's experiences. In addition to explaining how I feel/symptoms, should I tell the doctor that's what I'm looking for, or leave it all up to them? Are SSRIs commonly prescribed on the first visit?

SSRIs are given out like candy, yeah. Some docs are super anti-med, and they'll hem and ha, but if your symptoms fit, you express an interest in a med, you'll probably get one. Lexapro is super popular for depression and anxiety, together - several people in here take it. I might try it next.

Good luck! Let us know how it goes.


So lets say I have depression.

What are the best ways to cure it without drugs?


Therapy. Things like exercise and diet are helpful, but therapy is way more directed at the actual problems.

hey everyone, i'm a student nurse and I'm doing a clinical rotation in a psychiatric hospital and I have a quick question.. It seems to me that most of the patients I've met has had a severely traumatic event in their childhood at some point. Is this the case for many of you here too?


Have you done the bio-psycho-social model of mental illness? You can think of three overlapping causes of mental illness:

Bio: your brain chemistry, physiology, all that stuff. In clinical practice, the key question here is usually family history. Mental illnesses run in families, suggesting a definite biological component.

Psycho(logical) - here's where your childhood traumas come in. Past life events obviously have a huge influence of how you develop.

Social - what's happening right now? Divorce, death in the family, lack of social support, all that stuff.

So they're not mutually exclusive by any means. The factors all overlap. The same psychological and social factors that may put me in the hospital may barely phase you. And at least some of that difference is probably down to biology.

Other people have let you know that they do have some childhood stuff that they think is causing them problems. My experience is very different. My life had been ridiculously wonderful up until I developed depression, in my 20s. And at the time, everything was going extra well! That's how I knew I was depressed! I felt like hell, yet everything, literally everything! was going great.

One side of my family, EVERYONE has treatment-resistant depression. On the other side, half the people have depression. So I've got some bum genes, dude. Certainly, since I started feeling bad, some things have happened to make me more depressed.

I've told some of my friends on here more about my life (ALL THE FUNNY STORIES), and I end up feeling kind of bad. People on here have been through some serious stuff. My life has been kind of wonderful, especially my childhood. So I dunno.

My wife is a nurse, and her psych rotation was revelation for her. She was a psych nurse for a while before trying some other things (she wants to go back to psych), and her psych skills have helped her more than just about anything. I hope you enjoy the rotation! Psych is all about communication - work on those skills now, and it will help you in every area of nursing.


Playing Depression Quest right now, hauntingly authentic so far, very admirable what the creator of this game accomplished. I hope this game helps raise awareness on what depression actually is like. A true legitimate illness, I think it's simply incomprehensible to most normal people. What makes this game sting however is the simple fact that my situation is even worse than this game despite having medication and a therapist. . .

Here's a little cartoon thingy I made in the old thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47749324&postcount=7600

Thanks for bringing it up again! I think it's worthy of more discussion.
 
deviljho made this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=504297

last year. You can see that he had a lot of the same ideas Prax and I came up with, but because he clearly lacked the Bagels' célébrité, no one read that thread, which is too bad.

Being a great guy, he let me rip off some of his resources, which I'm adding to the OP. Even better, he wrote up a great introduction to mindfulness, including some exercises that I think will be of particular interest to the people dealing with anxiety issues.

deviljho's mindfulness

He did an amazing job - I recommend everyone give this a read. I'll be adding it to the OP. He's still reading the thread, so let him know if you find it helpful. I think it's awesome that he took the time to make that for the community! It's way better than anything I could come up with, so I really appreciate his hard work.
 
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