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Oh come on, you can't be serious. Our most talented player is bought by Bayern and you want everyone to shut up and take it? Fuck that. What do we gain by that? Players coming to Zorc and requesting release clauses, wanting to leave before their contracts runs out and other clubs thinking "you can take BVB players if you want". Watzke is doing the right thing and it's not like anyone starts hating us based on his interviews at the moment. Bayern and Schlacke fans hate us and other club's fans either agree or already don't like Watzke anyway.

The "selfless grandpa who only wants what's best for his team and his players" is also quite hilarious. In which world does that kind of impression help a CEO? Regardless that it's totally false.

Also, we're a Football club and want to be successful. Our main target is not to be liked by the whole world or to be Bayern's main rival. The "alternative club" stuff is nice and all but won't last if we want to keep our level.
I am sure of the contrary. You can so easily be outmuscled by your competition that Watzke's only answer to that is "we want an end to release clauses !". On one hand, you have a guy he thinks he can change the world and on the other, I suggest to gain traction in the fanbase (which equals merchandising revenue) by showing some smart attitude in these troubled times.

Klopp and especially Watzke have repeatedly stated that their club is a club of love and warmth, attested by their moto "Echte Liebe" which began to work its way through people's minds. I don't know why Watzke is taking the wrong turn in what is otherwise a well established and successful marketing strategy.

Dortmund is still a Wunderkind whose success appears to be quasi-miraculous to a variety of observeers throughout the world. Shaking the success' foundation by showing a attitude of reality denial and victimization will backfire in the current setup. That is why I am opposed to Watzke's current whining and I want them to go on acting like princes, not peasants. For the sake of what has been built for the image of the club so far.
 
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Marcs are reporting that there might be a fire sale at Madrid this summer. Pepe, Higuain, Di Maria and Kaka may all be sold.

I'd take Di Maria to United in a heart beat.
 
Marcs are reporting that there might be a fire sale at Madrid this summer. Pepe, Higuain, Di Maria and Kaka may all be sold.

I'd take Di Maria to United in a heart beat.

Di Maria and Valencia on the wings.

Dear god.
 
Marcs are reporting that there might be a fire sale at Madrid this summer. Pepe, Higuain, Di Maria and Kaka may all be sold.

I'd take Di Maria to United in a heart beat.

Di Maria and Valencia on the wings.

Dear god.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly lol.

Di Maria is an upgrade over what we have, but only slightly.

I don't understand the myth that Di Maria is a poor player. 23 goals and 55 assists over three years in a largely Ronaldo-centric Madrid side is pretty good to me. Diving prick, but not a bad player.
 
Yeah I think Di Maria is class. Works very hard too.

Does well defensively yeah, far more so than Ronaldo and Ozil, that's for sure. I'd take him.

Wouldn't take the other three, despite really rating Pepe as a defender. Higuain shouldn't be at any team with Champions League aspirations; if he can't finish with the Madrid players behind him, he won't with lesser players. Overrated by the large majority of the media because of the club he plays for.

edit: do away goals count in the CH/L1/L2 playoffs?
 
I don't understand the myth that Di Maria is a poor player. 23 goals and 55 assists over three years in a largely Ronaldo-centric Madrid side is pretty good to me. Diving prick, but not a bad player.

Not saying he's bad, but Nani has 23 goals in the last 3 years, all competitions.
 
Not saying he's bad, but Nani has 23 goals in the last 3 years, all competitions.

In a team far less reliant on channelling play through one player though; It'd be more equally distributed if they didn't all rely on Ronaldo for magic. It's a double edged sword as Barcelona have proven this week without Messi.

Almost 20 assists a season on average is great.
 
Big game between Hull and Cardiff. Whose side are we on?

Cardiff. Already up, want Watford up instead of Hull; much better footballing side with an awesome manager who isn't Steve fucking Bruce.

Tony Fernandes interview on Football Focus right now. What a spenk.
 
In a team far less reliant on channelling play through one player though; It'd be more equally distributed if they didn't all rely on Ronaldo for magic. It's a double edged sword as Barcelona have proven this week without Messi.

Almost 20 assists a season on average is great.

Very true about assists, Nani probably has no where near that in the last 3 years.

If we could swap out Nani for Di Maria and maybe a lil cash, I'd be all for it, he is an upgrade. I just see a lot of Madrid posters here and out in the real world getting pissed at Di Maria similarly to the way we have been towards every winger this year.
 
Very true about assists, Nani probably has no where near that in the last 3 years.

If we could swap out Nani for Di Maria and maybe a lil cash, I'd be all for it, he is an upgrade. I just see a lot of Madrid posters here and out in the real world getting pissed at Di Maria similarly to the way we have been towards every winger this year.

He hasn't had a fantastic season but he's still got 7 goals and 15 assists. That would be a great return from one of our wingers :/
 
Absolutely. Last thing the PL needs is another hoofball team that just sits mid table, leeching off everyone else's hard work and success.

Adrian Durham wrote about this in banned paper yesterday I think, saying he wanted teams like Sunderland and Stoke down, teams that are happy to leech off the money the PL gives out because of teams like Man United and Chelsea, that these teams essentially profit because of good teams and not because they're good themselves; they don't take risks, they don't play good football, they don't give young players chances etc.

Dunno if I necessarily agree, bit unfair to teams that genuinely can't break that glass ceiling. Stoke can get fucked though, too much money spent as it is.

edit: Forest winning! 6th as it is.
 
Wolves are going down.

They needed to win to keep a slim chance of staying up.

They're now currently losing 1-0 to Brighton.
 
Marcs are reporting that there might be a fire sale at Madrid this summer. Pepe, Higuain, Di Maria and Kaka may all be sold.

I'd take Di Maria to United in a heart beat.

Bullshit, Marca does it every fucking year when Madrid´s season is over, and it never happens what they predict. It's easy to spread unfounded stories....

It's just a trick to sell more newspapers. Nowadays Marca is nothing but another shitty tabloid.
 
Stoke can get fucked though, too much money spent as it is.

I guarantee we'll hear more of the "We'd love to play passing football but we don't have the money to buy Cristiano Ronaldo" shit.

And Pulis will pretend that he's trying to lurch out of his shallow tactical swamp, but you fucking watch what players he signs in the summer.

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I am sure of the contrary. You can so easily be outmuscled by your competition that Watzke's only answer to that is "we want an end to release clauses !". On one hand, you have a guy he thinks he can change the world and on the other, I suggest to gain traction in the fanbase (which equals merchandising revenue) by showing some smart attitude in these troubled times.

Klopp and especially Watzke have repeatedly stated that their club is a club of love and warmth, attested by their moto "Echte Liebe" which began to work its way through people's minds. I don't know why Watzke is taking the wrong turn in what is otherwise a well established and successful marketing strategy.

Dortmund is still a Wunderkind whose success appears to be quasi-miraculous to a variety of observeers throughout the world. Shaking the success' foundation by showing a attitude of reality denial and victimization will backfire in the current setup. That is why I am opposed to Watzke's current whining and I want them to go on acting like princes, not peasants. For the sake of what has been built for the image of the club so far.

You might look at BVB more realistacally, not blinded by recent success. We're not the club out of a fairy tale with king Watzke, prince Zorc and Jürgen the knight in shining armor Klopp. It's not like everything shines at Dortmund and everyone is loved.

"We can easily be outmuscled by our competition" and that is who? Bayern, Real, Barca, City, United, PSG? That's not our competition, that's what the media wants. We want to play in the CL every year and go as far as we can there. Our real competition is Leverkusen, Schlacke, maybe Gladbach and HSV and the season's surprise team. I don't think they can outmuscle us at all.

And your merchandise stuff is wishful thinking. I think you can say that BVB is rather well liked here but how many have actually bought BVB merchandise? You don't make money with being that likeable club that plays nice football. You improve merchandise money by winning stuff and gaining glory hunters. I love the way Swansea plays football and think they're pretty likeable, don't think I'd ever buy a shirt or something, though.

But what's really bothering me is "reality denial and victimization". Where exactly? Watzke saying he has rated Bayern more higly before recent events? That's just his and thousands of BVB fans' opinion. No deals with release clauses anymore? If a player like, well let's say Isco, doesn't sign for us without one, okay, we'll find another player. You act like Watzke said "I'm sure Lewandowski will sign a new contract for us and Bayern is the devil."
 
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