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[The One Who Knocks]

I dunno, the implications of Jon actually falling for Ygritte are pretty serious.

That is what I felt. Not even that alone though, but it was a moment of triumph for both Jon Snow and, in particular, Ygritte. Regardless of how far up they are on Littlefigner's metaphorical ladder, for them, they have (momentarily anyway) reached their destination alive and together; Jon Snow saving Ygritte despite what she knows (or believes anyway but I'm sure that belief was 'confirmed' by his reaction), their relationship solidifying (unless he's still playing her or she's playing him but that seems unlikely given the final scene) and Ygritte finally seeing the world she knows as she desired. It certainly wasn't a turning point in the story or a large cliffhanger (I thought the scene played out kind of clichéd too). It was an extremely unusual ending in that it ended on what was a rare happy moment within the show. Of course, it has me concerned about their fate simply because happy moments are so rare in the show but it seemed like the ending was meant to be in contrast to Littlefinger's statement that "...or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real" (in that it contrasts it by showing that the moments that consist of the climb or just as real as the climb itself; regardless of whether or not I believe this is actually the case, that's how I think it was intended).

EDIT: Although this shouldn't be mistaken for a comment on my personal beliefs as to how the ending was (in regards to my enjoyment of it although I did quite enjoy the ending, even if the visuals and what I felt was a clichéd moment dampened it slightly). I certainly don't think it was a 'small' moment though, just portayed in a different manner with a tone that is rarely displayed in the show.

 

[Vashetti]

Did anyone else feel that the brief Joffrey/Ros scene had little impact because we didn't actually see Joffrey do it?

I don't mean I wanted to see Ros suffering, but a scene like that could have really built up over time with tension, and it would have really solidified Joffrey as a Grade A c**t. I don't get why it was relegated to a brief bit of a montage.

It feels like they did film the whole scene and then chickened out and chopped it down for the broadcast.

I was liking their direction with Ros, making her more sophisticated, getting her involved in the spying, etc.

I feel deflated after hearing her say so sincerely "because I'm one of his girls" in the previous episode.

Now she just won't be 'there' anyone.

 

[lamaroo]

Littlefinger solidified his position on the cunt tier.

So I guess that guy holding Theon really is just a sick fuck, and I'm not sure if he's being ordered to torture him, or if that's his keep.

"I'm not sure who's getting the raw end of the deal out of the four of us... Probably Sansa"

 

[wildfire]

Yeah this was the first episode of GoT that felt like legit filler material for the most part.

Stop right there. You need to reexamine this train of thought.

The episode was flawed because of the way they directed everything but this was under no circumstances filler.

First scene - Gilly and Sam. Filler.

Scene 2. - Bran and Co. Filler. Sure it sets up the idea that the women are at odds with each other and Bran is going to go through an ordeal but the latter could've been mentioned later on in the season and the former probably won't amount to anything.
The one interesting aspect is that we are told flat out that Snow is surrounded by enemies. But that scene becomes pointless because of...

Scene 3.- Or the point at where it stops being filler.
Jon Snow and Ygritte. Ygritte reveals she's always knew where Snow's loyalties were and she wants that loyalty extended to herself. Snow agrees with her plan (sort of) but we know they are planning to betray the Wildlings together. What they do with the Night's Watch is up in the air.


Scene 4. Theon. We find out who's torturing him and where he is. We know the youngest Starks will be hunted by Theon's torturer or those who work for him.

Scene 5. Rob Stark. The alliance is being formed and we learn the cost of getting that to work.

Scene 6. The Brotherhood. Arya's getting further education in archery. Nedry is under the clutches of the Red Priestess. We are given some foreshadowing about the lives both characters will live.

Scene 7. Jaime and Brienne. Jaime is going to King's Landing. Brienne isn't being sent there. What her fate is is still up in the air. We clear up the fact that Bolton is playing multiple sides.

Scene 8. Tywin and Olliena. No explanations needed.

Scene 9. Tyrion and Cersei. We find out that is Joffrey who wanted Tyrion dead after all of that misdirection. We also have a greater understanding of how much the siblings care for each other and respect their abilities (too bad they don't know yet that Jaime isn't as great of a fighter anymore).
We also get what I think is some foreshadowing on the Tyrell's coming out on top over the Lannister's.

Scene 10. Sansa and Loras. Might be filler but I need to rewatch it again. That whole scene was weird.

Scene 11. Sansa's dreams and Shae's patience. They are thoroughly crushed.

Scene 12. Little Finger and Varys. We learn that Little Finger salvages his losses to gain favoritism from Joffrey.

Scene 13. The remaining crows climbed the Wall.

A lot of stuff happened to advance the plot and set up circumstances for decisions that will be made later on.

The problem with the episode was how all these pieces of information was presented which makes it feel less tense and dramatic.

It's not a big deal at all but it certainly wasn't filler.

 

[RedShift]

I haven't revealed anything. This show doesn't have a lot of filler. They use their time wisely. Generally speaking, if they devote screen time to something then it will pay dividends later.

Still, saying "Ooh this leads onto something later" is incredibly annoying. There's no need for it in this thread.

 

[lamaroo]

Did we actually learn who was torturing Theon? I thought he said he was lying aboit everything.

Also I hope Brienne isn't going to get executed.

 

[Dennis]

Look we can all hate Theon but is anyone else starting to feel the torture draging on painfully?

Enough already.

Jaime is the hero Westeros needs and he will save Brienne I am sure.

 

[Mario007]

Did we actually learn who was torturing Theon? I thought he said he was lying aboit everything.

Also I hope Brienne isn't going to get executed.

It's gotta be. He was cutting the skin off Theon's finger, i.e. "flaying" him. IIRC the Bolton sigil is a man on the "X" crucifix as well (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/House_Bolton).

I'd be shocked if it was anyone else.

Ya that plus the trumpet waking up of Theon was a nice little nod to Bolton's bastard and his army outside of Winterfell. Though it does seem that he either doesn't give two shits about his orders or Lord Bolton will try to play both sides not only with Jamie but also with Bran and Rickon.

 

[Enco]

Look we can all hate Theon but is anyone else starting to feel the torture draging on painfully?

Enough already.

Jaime is the hero Westeros needs and he will save Brienne I am sure.

Yea it's getting stupid now.

We get that he's a fucked up person. Move on. This is hardly pro story telling with complex emotions and interesting themes. It's pointless torture for the sake of shock.

One torture scene? Cool. Two? Ok.. Three? Please stop. Four? Fuck you.

 

[TheOddOne]

Pr0n!

 

[publicpwnerer]

After this weeks episode, I'm so tempted to pick up the books.


I couldn't get into it, after having seen so much already, but there's too many interesting characters and I desperately yearn to know what happens next. But after 30 or so minutes of reading, I can't get over the fact that I'm treading familiar ground / story.



P.S. Those screenshots are gorgeous, I need to start watching in HD.

 

[surrealist]

People are actively complaining about this episode because there wasn't enough action? The story is what makes the show great!

Loved Littlefinger's speech at the end, and as has been posted already its juxtaposition with Jon and Ygritte's climb of the Wall.

Yeah, all the politics is what makes this such a great show. The action, that's just icing. Littlefinger's speech was superb. And watching Jamie and Brienne eat dinner was amusing.

 

[Incognito]

I thought the episode was great and again, looked spectacular. Like everyone else, the Tywin and Olliena scene was riveting.

 

[Lavpa Jasai]

Anyone else notice that Loras mentioned Sansa wearing "french" sleeves for their wedding?

Errr...In this world France doesn't exist so how would there be a thing like "french" sleeves?

Thought it was kind of funny, when I thought about it. Kind of took me out of the moment for a minute though hearing a word that shouldn't exists within that contained universe.

 

[SeanR1221]

Anyone else notice that Loras mentioned Sansa wearing "french" sleeves for their wedding?

Errr...In this world France doesn't exist so how would there be a thing like "french" sleeves?

Thought it was kind of funny, when I thought about it. Kind of took me out of the moment for a minute though hearing a word that shouldn't exists within that contained universe.

Fringe sleeves

 

[Lavpa Jasai]

Fringe sleeves

Hahah seriously? God these accents sometimes I swear. It seemed weird to me that the word french would get by. Good to know it didn't!

 

[Forkball]

I couldn't watch that pinky shit, that was brutal. It's pretty clear now though that he's Bolton's bastard. The X, the torturing (in season 2 Roose Bolton mentioned how he flayed people), etc. Both Roose and his bastard have strange motives though. Roose just sending Jamie back to King's Landing is just odd unless he is trolling him.

Joffrey is back to full on Joffrey mode after giggling after Margeary all season. And I half expected Littlefinger to do a mic drop at the end of the episode.

 

[SeanR1221]

I couldn't watch that pinky shit, that was brutal. It's pretty clear now though that he's Bolton's bastard. The X, the torturing (in season 2 Roose Bolton mentioned how he flayed people), etc. Both Roose and his bastard have strange motives though. Roose just sending Jamie back to King's Landing is just odd unless he is trolling him.

Joffrey is back to full on Joffrey mode after giggling after Margeary all season. And I half expected Littlefinger to do a mic drop at the end of the episode.

Money money money. Jaime is a winning lottery ticket.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I don't mean I wanted to see Ros suffering, but a scene like that could have really built up over time with tension, and it would have really solidified Joffrey as a Grade A c**t.

Yeah, I'm really on the fence about him otheriwse....

 

[fifasnipe2224]

Now that makes THREE episodes with out Bronn! wtf HBO?

 

[NathanMcMahon]

Look we can all hate Theon but is anyone else starting to feel the torture draging on painfully?

Enough already.

Jaime is the hero Westeros needs and he will save Brienne I am sure.

no, it's fine

 

[Forkball]

Now that makes THREE episodes with out Bronn! wtf HBO?

Out of six episodes this season, only two have had Davos in it. That's the real travesty.

 

[wildfire]

Pr0n!

The most beautiful woman in the SOuthern Kingdoms indeed.

Gotta love being at the of food chain so you can write history as you deem fit.

P.S. Yes I know in the books she actually was drop dead gorgeous.

 

[Vashetti]

The most beautiful woman in the SOuthern Kingdoms indeed.

Gotta love being at the of food chain so you can write history as you deem fit.

P.S. Yes I know in the books she actually was drop dead gorgeous.

She is beautiful, it's just an unfortunate screencap.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Anyone else notice that Loras mentioned Sansa wearing "french" sleeves for their wedding?

Immediately pointed it out to the person I was watching with. We apparently have a hearing problem in common

 

[Violet_0]

Snow just climbed the wall. Brann and his group are heading there. The remaining crows of the expedition might be on their way or have already reached it. The wildlings and white walker are marching on the wall. Things are going to get heated in the North

 

[bcl0328]

Man fuck theon but getting ur bone ripped outta ur pinky must suck

Pretty sure he just flayed his finger.

 

[Gigarator]

Pr0n!

Nice pics, I might as well contribute a few.

 

[Frank the Great]

i wonder if osha and ygritte know each other, and what hijinx will ensue after the jon snow/ygrette group inevitably meet up with bran/osha group. osha is originally from north of the wall, correct? should be interesting.

 

[Pastry]

So are we confident that it was Joffrey that tried to kill Tyrion? I have a hard time believing Cersei but Joffrey is also crazy so I can see him putting a hit on his uncle.

 

[wildfire]

She is beautiful, it's just an unfortunate screencap.

Ofcourse she's pretty. But I have to mock her since it was being brought up one too many times by Tywin who loves setting up his family to be above everyone else's. Lord Legacy needs to be knocked down a peg or two.

If we had to make legit ranking where people voted I'm sure Dany would take the crown even though she isn't even my top 3 of women to lust after.

 

[Violet_0]

you know, I believe the leader of the wildlings really hasn't thought things through. Why would Jon Snow help the wildlings invade his homeland, Winterfell? He's the son of Ned Stark! All he's gonna do is sabotage the mission

 

[DragonSworne]

I'm surprised Sam still has the blade. I thought he would have given all the blades they found in season two to the Night's Watch when they met back up with the group.

 

[ReiGun]

So are we confident that it was Joffrey that tried to kill Tyrion? I have a hard time believing Cersei but Joffrey is also crazy so I can see him putting a hit on his uncle.

It was totally Joffery. Completely fits his M.O of hurting/killing people who upset him.

 

[RDreamer]

I really didn't think we'd spend this much time in the series with Joffrey as king. Honestly, I thought he'd be long dead by now.

 

[Vashetti]

I really didn't think we'd spend this much time in the series with Joffrey as king. Honestly, I thought he'd be long dead by now.

I'm surprised he's lasted this long to be honest.

 

[Forkball]

you know, I believe the leader of the wildlings really hasn't thought things through. Why would Jon Snow help the wildlings invade his homeland, Winterfell? He's the son of Ned Stark! All he's gonna do is sabotage the mission

I'm going to be honest: I'm completely lost on what the Wildlings are doing. Mance mentioned that they need to go south to escape the White Walkers, but what's the overall plan? Fight the Night's Watch? If they win, then what? WHAT'S HAPPENING

Also SNL had a Game of Thrones skit. No spoilers if you've kept up with the show.

 

[RDreamer]

I'm surprised he's lasted this long to be honest.

For a show titled Game of Thrones it is a bit boring to have the only person to sit on it after the first king died is the guy you expected to sit on it after he died.

Let's get on with the Joff death, not just because he's a cunt, but because I wanna see what others do as king!

 

[Double D]

I browse this thread every Monday and it always makes me realize that I dozed off way more than I thought during pretty much every episode. There are just entire scenes I miss, lol.

 

[Martian]

What. The. Fuck

Joffrey went to another, larger Crazytown

Didn't see this coming, and I thought Margery was toning him down
Also, quite sad that Rose is dead.


I'm glad the blacksmith dude isn't going to die, hopefully he will become awesome!


^^ you're not the only one in the dark. I have no clue wtf the Northlings are up to. They can't possibly want to take over the 7 kingdoms?
Why didn't they take that passageway through the walls Jon Sno took at the end of season 1?
Seems kind of overkill to pass over the wall, especially with giants

 

[Brofist]

For a show titled Game of Thrones it is a bit boring to have the only person to sit on it after the first king died is the guy you expected to sit on it after he died.

Let's get on with the Joff death, not just because he's a cunt, but because I wanna see what others do as king!

Well the series is named after only the first book technically, where the title did make sense.

 

[RDreamer]

Well the series is named after only the first book technically, where the title did make sense.

I know

Still, Martin did say in that big cast thing before the season started that

Spoiler

before the series is over multiple people will sit on the throne.

What. The. Fuck

Joffrey went to another, larger Crazytown

Didn't see this coming, and I thought Margery was toning him down
Also, quite sad that Rose is dead.

Margery was toning him down toward her. She wasn't alluding to any of his behavior being unacceptable. In fact she encouraged it and nurtured it a little.

 

[hayguyz]

Do we have know what happened to Theon between getting knocked out to strapped to the X?

Why did Dagmer knock him out?

What happened to the other Ironborn that were in Winterfell with him?

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

I'm going to be honest: I'm completely lost on what the Wildlings are doing. Mance mentioned that they need to go south to escape the White Walkers, but what's the overall plan? Fight the Night's Watch? If they win, then what? WHAT'S HAPPENING

Also SNL had a Game of Thrones skit. No spoilers if you've kept up with the show.

They just want to go South, they want to escape from the White Walkers. Since they know the Night's Watch wouldn't let them, they need an army.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

For a show titled Game of Thrones it is a bit boring to have the only person to sit on it after the first king died is the guy you expected to sit on it after he died.

Let's get on with the Joff death, not just because he's a cunt, but because I wanna see what others do as king!

There are two kings, Robb and Joffrey, and there's Stannis with a claim, and there's Theon's dad making his own kingdom or whatever... so the title is apt enough.

 

[Last Hearth]

What. The. Fuck

Joffrey went to another, larger Crazytown

Didn't see this coming, and I thought Margery was toning him down
Also, quite sad that Rose is dead.


I'm glad the blacksmith dude isn't going to die, hopefully he will become awesome!


^^ you're not the only one in the dark. I have no clue wtf the Northlings are up to. They can't possibly want to take over the 7 kingdoms?
Why didn't they take that passageway through the walls Jon Sno took at the end of season 1?
Seems kind of overkill to pass over the wall, especially with giants

They are wildlings, the people guarding the wall will not open the door for them.

The whole point of their expedition is to sneak attack from the other side and open the doors so Mance's main force can come through the main gate.

 

[Violet_0]

I know

Still, Martin did say in that big cast thing before the season started that

Spoiler

before the series is over multiple people will sit on the throne.

well, technically that already happened

Also SNL had a Game of Thrones skit. No spoilers if you've kept up with the show.

pretty good sketch, thanks

 

[DragonSworne]

Winter is coming, duh. Why the hell would you want to stay North of the Wall during Winter? Especially with all the white walkers around.

Doesn't take a genius to understand why the Widlings are moving south.

 

[PhoenixDark]

What. The. Fuck

Joffrey went to another, larger Crazytown

Didn't see this coming, and I thought Margery was toning him down
Also, quite sad that Rose is dead.


I'm glad the blacksmith dude isn't going to die, hopefully he will become awesome!


^^ you're not the only one in the dark. I have no clue wtf the Northlings are up to. They can't possibly want to take over the 7 kingdoms?
Why didn't they take that passageway through the walls Jon Sno took at the end of season 1?
Seems kind of overkill to pass over the wall, especially with giants

That gate is closed, only opens for other Night's Watch members. Wildlings climb the Wall because there are multiple areas you can climb without being seen by the guards.

 

[Tacitus_]

Scene 13. The remaining crows climbed the Wall.

Just FYI, the Nights Watch are the crows (black brothers, remember?). The Wildlings are the Free Folk.