Microsoft: Next Xbox will work even when your Internet doesn’t

Hix said:
Because Ars is completely legit and there is literally no reason to believe otherwise? If you feel this report should be discredited be my guest.

Never mind the fact it builds on almost every rumor we've heard so far.
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I never said it should be discredited. How would I know if it was true or not? I don't work at MS and I don't know how reliable the source is for Ars. Do any of us? There would be no possible way to discredit this short of the Ars source coming out and saying, "I made it all up!" But likewise, there is no way to confirm this is truth short of MS coming out and saying, "Yup, you nailed it." The same can be said of all the previous always-online rumors. They are all rumors based on sources that people evidently trust.

Hix said:
You on the other hand have to cast doubt over the authenticity of this report and of Ars Technica, something you have repeatedly failed to do to a satisfactory level in this thread.
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I really think he/she is only continuing to point out that this is a rumor. Something that can neither be confirmed nor denied.

I imagine we all want it to be true, but in light of contradicting rumors, we can't possibly know for sure what the next Xbox will do. Hopefully MS makes it clear on the 21st, but until then, it's all rumor.
 
Pyramid head said:
Do we really live in a world where a console not bricking for no real reason is "good news"?
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hahhahha are you kidding ?
this is literally the only thing people talked about whenever durango came up. it created a massive shitstorm and got an employee fired. now tell me in what world is "no always online" not good news ?
 
DragonSworne said:
Because with always online, the implication of DRM was clear. You don't own your games.

Now, we aren't sure how MS will implement DRM, but we can be hopeful atleastif won't be as bad as always online.
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maybe, I could have wrote that out clearer?

what I was trying to say was before, when the prospect of always online was was a possibility peeps were like 'well, if it doesn't work MS can just turn it off with a firmware update' but when anyone suggests that always online was (perhaps) planned, but MS scrapped it (using this 'internal email' as evidence) Peeps say it would be too difficult to implement such a change, at this point.
 
Impeccable said:
... Okay, I'm out now this is a pretty insane place when someone who doesn't know of Ars can't have a certain level of skepticism without being labelled salty or angry.

Feel like I stumbled on to the battlefield of the console war and got shot lol
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This has nothing to do with consoles. You're continuing to question the credibility of a website you've never heard and apparently can't Google.
 
Phat Michael said:
or right now I'm paying $3 a month for my xbl subscription. it really isn't that much of a stretch. I don't get these complaints.. it's such a small amount for a premium service.
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It isn't the price. It's what you get (and dont get) for that price. There's actual competition now. If they don't seriously alter what an XBOX Live subscription gets you, I can't fault anyone for not wanting to pay it. Regardless of how cheap it is.

Takuya said:
Rumors... How do they work?
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Takuya spinning like crazy. Must be positive MS news.
 
Not sure where to put this one... but here ya go.

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Takuya said:
1. The source isn't Ars. I'm not questioning Ars, I'm questioning the rumor (the alleged e-mail, which we don't even have).
2. Ars can be credible to you all you want them to be, doesn't mean their source is valid.
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Ars are credible, full stop. Whether you want them to be or not is irrelevant.

Everything comes from "a source", obviously Ars aren't on the Microsoft internal mailing list, what they do have is a spotless record for Xbox reveals (SKU releases, price drops etc) and for reveals in general (Apple coverage, notably).

Now the questions remain, why do you doubt this report? Why do you find EDGE's rumor to be more credible? Why do you discount VGLeaks rumor? Are you posting with an agenda? Are you willing to bet your account that this is bogus or is this all just blatant anti-hype creation in every single Durango thread on this board?

BRocknRolla said:
I imagine we all want it to be true, but in light of contradicting rumors, we can't possibly know for sure what the next Xbox will do. Hopefully MS makes it clear on the 21st, but until then, it's all rumor.
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There are no contradicting rumors.
 
Bgamer90 said:
FYI, they won't.

Neither will Sony.

If you don't want heavy entertainment features
in your gaming console then the best system to get out of the three is the Wii U.
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Sony atleast made the effort to remind fans they still are focused on gaming.

I do agree Wii U would be best for gaming, if you know, it had games.
 
DopeyFish said:
It's not crass at all.

I have even clarified the meaning since day one and people choose to look the other way.

The phrase always on/always online has meant the same since it was originally used.
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There shouldn't be any need to "clarify" something that can be read on it's surface as is. That's the problem - you read into what's been reported a certain way, based on your personal bias. Others have read it differently. In both cases, not enough info had existed to confirm either way. There's no reason to say an internet connection is REQUIRED (in caps, your way) if that doesn't mean the system will completely fail to function without it. It would be no different than current gen consoles and we certainly don't say internet connection REQUIRED for them.
 
BruiserBear said:
It's worth pointing out for the "haha, knew it all along" crowd.

It's very possible this changed only recently, and in fact the plans were originally that an online connection was required for any game to play. Microsoft may have realized over the past month or two that a lot of people were not going to tolerate this policy.
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Lol. Whatever makes people certain people sleep at night to keep their head from spinning when they lay down.
 
Rumor right? I'll just wait until the 21st when I can hear info for myself and make up my own mind instead of jumping on any bandwagon.
 
Generally I would say Edge is a more legit source than Arstechnica, but this information makes too much sense. I mean on-line only is a disaster. Sure something like Diablo III sold millions of copy despite this fact, but I wouldn't recommend the game to anyone and won't buy another game with a similar feature. Once burned, twice learned.
 
Joe White said:
Latest rumors are most likely to be true?
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Unless those rumors are positive.

The email was probably faked.
Microsoft is probably trembling in fear after reading some of the threads on this forum and are scrambling to revise their console.
Ars Technica isn't a reputable source of information. They were probably tricked into posting false information, something that the site has done numerous occasions.
Edge could still come through for me.
 
kaching said:
There shouldn't be any need to "clarify" something that can be read on it's surface as is. That's the problem - you read into what's been reported a certain way, based on your personal bias. Others have read it differently. In both cases, not enough info had existed to confirm either way. There's no reason to say an internet connection is REQUIRED (in caps, your way) if that doesn't mean the system will completely fail to function without it. It would be no different than current gen consoles and we certainly don't say internet connection REQUIRED for them.
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Oh, I forgot. Those product overview sheets were totally meant for the press!
 
Hix said:
Ars are credible, full stop. Whether you want them to be or not is irrelevant.

Everything comes from "a source", obviously Ars aren't on the Microsoft internal mailing list, what they do have is a spotless record for Xbox reveals (SKU releases, price drops etc) and for reveals in general (Apple coverage, notably).

Now the questions remain, why do you doubt this report? Why do you find EDGE's rumor to be more credible? Why do you discount VGLeaks rumor? Are you posting with an agenda? Are you willing to bet your account that this is bogus or is this all just blatant anti-hype creation in every single Durango thread on this board?
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EDGE's rumors as far as PS4 goes, were true. VGLeaks has gone both ways. Ars Technica has no track record on next-gen. Simple.

Miles Quaritch said:
Did EDGE ever post their documentation that claimed the Durango was always online?
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They claimed it from their source, much like Ars is claiming it from their source. So if Ars' is true, then so is/was Edge.

CassidyIzABeast said:
then why do you believe Edge over Ars then?
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Go read their rumors.

A good poster said:
Looks like you're the one that doesn't know how rumors work.
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Yea, clearly, because for you, if it's newer it's true. So tomorrow some site posts a new rumor discrediting Ars, then it's true right?
 
That internal quote is vague as fuck. I read it as being tolerable of the instability of internet connections - ie there has to be one there in the first place.

It doesnt say: "Our games must work if there is no internet at all"
 
Wynnebeck said:
Rumor right? I'll just wait until the 21st when I can hear info for myself and make up my own mind instead of jumping on any bandwagon.
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Hey look, another sane individual. I think half the fun for people believing one rumor over the other is being able to say "I told you so." It's cringe worthy to see some of these posts. Just wait for the conference, please?
 
Takuya said:
EDGE's rumors as far as PS4 goes, were true. VGLeaks has gone both ways. Ars Technica has no track record on next-gen. Simple.
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Why restrict it to next gen? They have a track record on other rumors, which might have been provided by similar sources. It's like you're choosing what to believe.
 
Takuya said:
So wait... Microsoft sends an internal e-mail to...People working on the new Xbox...

To tell them that it works without a connection...

Shouldn't they know this if they've been working on the damn thing?

What the heck is this?
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Ah how did I know you wouldn't be pleased by this news? :P You really will cling on to any bad 720 news for as long as you can won't you.
 
There was so much smoke to that fire that "online required" must have had some sort of truth to it at some point, but Ars Technica is pretty trustworthy, so it doesn't seem the case anymore. I wonder if this is how it always was and the rumor givers got confused by microsoft saying always online as meaning online always required, or if they were completely right and microsoft got forced to switch paths a little bit.

Personally I'd rather have online required than kinect required, since my internet is pretty reliable, but I guess I'm in the minority there.
 
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