LOL I see what you did there. TMP is pretty slow but for what it's worth I rather enjoy it's snail-like contemplative pace.
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LOL I see what you did there. TMP is pretty slow but for what it's worth I rather enjoy it's snail-like contemplative pace.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Oh my god this movie isn't even half over, help I think time has slowed down to a crawl. Losing mind...
Sounds like the perfect movie to watch before going into Abrams' Trek films.
Well, whatever else I don't think ST09 is something that was designed to appeal to people who 'hate sci-fi'. I can't even imagine someone who could be described that way bothering to watch it.
Henchmen21
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Really? I sure as hell do.
Of course I meant to be hyperbolic, but if you cannot see the lengths the script goes to hide a modicum of original thought, moral quandary/commentary, or actual science under its thick layer of inoffensive "super badass 110% all the time" bombastic action movie sheen, then I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
vagabondarts
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Oh my god this movie isn't even half over, help I think time has slowed down to a crawl. Losing mind...
I always loved that scene
There's room for a dig at Kurtzman/Orci/Lindelof in here, but I'll resist just once.
I don't find ST09's script to be terrible. It's nothing special but mostly does the job for what the film was clearly intended to be - a more "accessible" action/sci-fi film under the ST brand.
Just stumbled upon this Simon Pegg + Alice Eve interview after watching World's End trailer. Didn't quite realise how British this trek was until now. I found it pretty hilarious. Pegg is great and the chemistry pretty good between the two, wonder if they would have much time on screen together.
SCULLIBUNDO
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There's some great, but completely spoilerific B-roll footage out there. I suggest watching it after you've seen the film. Some very nice sets.
Felt like making this gif, dunno why. Here it is, entirely without context.
You are a good man.
The Librarian
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Because it's a poorly plotted movie that prefers style over substance? Instead of fleshing out the villain the movie gives us bullshit like kid Kirk being an ass and driving towards a cliff that's somehow in...Iowa.
It's not like that at all. ST09 is part of the Star Trek franchise which I love. Can I not come into new threads about STiD and comment about stuff I see? I don't go into random threads about ST09 and hate on it.
Oh god.
ThoseDeafMutes
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peanutbutterlatte
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Sorry, are you this furiously nostalgic over everything? Doctor Who, Star Trek, etc.
The Librarian
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Chuck's review fresh in the mind I see
He makes good points!
The Elite
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I love the Motion Picture. They tried something different but I thought they captured the sense of "great unknown" that's missing from most of the films. Trek is at its best when it's covering new ground and actually pushing the boundaries of the final frontier.
Well, both the Enterprise and Nero's ships were in the same place, and went the same way barely a few minutes from one another; so Kirk landing on the same side of the planet that they left Spock in isn't that big a deal. How far can the ice planet make an orbit in just a couple of minutes/hours, anyway? It wouldn't be much at all.
Duane Cunningham
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I'm thinking about spoiling myself. I've never seen ST09, and my plan was/is to slowly watch ALL the other ST material first. Since I'm currently just finishing TOS (and about to start on TAS then TOS movies, then TNG), that'll be a while. So, I might as well just go look it up, since I'm sure I'll get spoiled between now and whenever the hell I finally see it.
I liked the story of TMP, it's just the actual execution is crazy slow. It has all the visuals of a great trek movie, but each scene is drawn out to ridiculous lengths that make it a pain to watch.
The Elite
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Oh, no doubt. I don't watch it often but I like to take it in on a lazy Saturday afternoon every-so-often.
GameplayWhore
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What about "We now have a transporter technology capable of beaming to ships that are hours away at warp speeds, pretty much making faster than light travel by space ship obsolete"?
If you were dropped on a random point in North America (a tighter target, surely, than "the same side of the planet"), what would be the odds that the first house you randomly walked into would be inhabited by Leonard Nimoy?
I mean, even a small planet is pretty mindbogglingly huge!
I chimed in on this late last year:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43456973&postcount=3976
The only issue is that it's hard to actually find where these files tend to be stored, since in the most technical sense they're illegal to share. :/
Tathanen
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All that stuff used to bother me, but you just really gotta buy into the "fate" stuff. Yes, there's no way in hell all of the pieces should fall together like that. But think of it this way. Nero and Spock's arrival forked the timeline. As best as it can, the timeline is trying to course-correct since then, trying to put itself back "the right way." There's obviously only so much it can do when Vulcan was destroyed, but the deus ex machina moments are almost literally that: "god" (the universe) trying to put things back the way they were supposed to be.
It's a bit strained, but I think that's really the idea the story's trying to put forth. "Timeline resistant to change concocts unlikely events in attempt to course-correct" as a long-winded synonym for fate.
The Technomancer
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The main problems are:
-That ice planet has to be incredibly close for Vulcan to be as visible as it was. Like, moon close
-The Enterprise was at warp for a good five minutes before Spock drops Kirk off. I think warp speed gets you out of moon range pretty quickly
Sure, but I can't really disagree with the perspective that Kurtzman and Orci are cheating and basically writing Power Rangers episodes where the good guys win...because reasons.
The ice planet bit and the "thank God we invented that ability to teleport back onto moving targets at WARP SPEED" scene were the most absurd parts of the film.
Which of course raises the question of why is it an ice planet? Vulcan is clearly a barren desert world and this other planet has to be pretty much the same distance from the sun...
That interview is pretty hysterical. I hope there's an awesome commentary with the cast on the Blu-ray.
I think you can put off the TNG and watch ST09 before it.
googleplex
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As much has I absolutely hated the concept of Red Matter, and how the 2009 film completely raped scientific principles.
If a planet could be collapsed into a micro-black hole, it shouldn't interfere with an moon that would be orbiting said planet.
Actually, what would happen to that moon? Would it orbit the nearest mass?
Well the black hole retains the mass of the planet. So the moon could still possibly remain orbiting it.
Well it's a black hole. You wouldn't see it.
It's a movie black hole, they are visible in every scene they appear in.
GameplayWhore
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There'd probably be a pretty heavy amount of radiation from bits of Vulcan passing through its own event horizon going onto the surface of the Vulcan-facing side of the other planet*. So it might now be half ice and half deser-- wait, how did old Spock survive the... oh, never mind!
* Vulcan has no moon
radios shipping overview
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Well, as long as Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof, and Abrams aren't writing, directing, showrunning, or anywhere on the same continent as production... I suppose there reason to be optimistic.
GameplayWhore
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I don't know the mass of Vulcan, so I looked up the mass of Mars (which probably would take the same amount of time as looking up the mass of Vulcan).
Assuming that it's much more massive than Mars, the radius of a black hole with Vulcan's mass would be considerably smaller than a hand phaser.
Well they also disappear after they've sucked everything in or something. It's also convenient that they're also time travel portals but I guess there wouldn't be a movie without that contrivance.
Yeah pretty much an aesthetic decision. Though a poor one since they didn't need to show Vulcan to be so huge an visible from that planet.
That's not the point. Vulcan has no moon and they never call it a moon anyway. It's somehow a planet that's closer to Vulcan than our moon is to Earth.
Just came back from a midnight screening for this (got a cool poster) It was a lot of fun despite the title lots of humour in the film , some really nice looking special effects and space sequences
Its definitely worth seeing but not as good as the 2009 reboot for me
But yeah hardcore trek fans are going to have a field day with this one
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Its definitely worth seeing but not as good as the 2009 reboot for me
But yeah hardcore trek fans are going to have a field day with this one
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Cumberbatch as Khan didn't really sit that well with me, he was perfectly fine but Ricardo Montalbán performance of Khan has been seared into my brain as the go to khan
And the reversal of Spocks "death" from wrath of Khan to Kirks "death" just kinda felt lazy
Just disappointed in the direction they took the story would have preferred they go in new direction with character and villains not seen before on star trek rather than going back to old villains and redoing old sequences
Also I may have missed it but to anyone who has seen the film how did the Enterprise end up back near Earth, It was taken out of warp drive and i'm pretty sure it wasn't near Earth but once its lost power all of a sudden it was over earth?
And the reversal of Spocks "death" from wrath of Khan to Kirks "death" just kinda felt lazy
Just disappointed in the direction they took the story would have preferred they go in new direction with character and villains not seen before on star trek rather than going back to old villains and redoing old sequences
Also I may have missed it but to anyone who has seen the film how did the Enterprise end up back near Earth, It was taken out of warp drive and i'm pretty sure it wasn't near Earth but once its lost power all of a sudden it was over earth?
Sad but true. I like Abrams and think he has made fine movies but I understand why people don't like his style for ST.
That'd be a valid theme... if Orci/Kurtzman/ST09 had any interest in pursuing it at all.
Which is sort of the reason why I don't like them as writers, because they could easily shore up most of their plotholes through some thematic through-line but ignore it in favor of manic mayhem.
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