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[Takao]

Didn't realise it was that strong but how much of that was because of piracy support, ultimate emulator/pre-smartphones, MH etc...

Japan was the healthiest market for PSP software. While there's no doubt that piracy hurt some games, I doubt any Japanese publisher turned their nose to the platform because of that. As for Monster Hunter it obviously played a huge role and shows how Sony has failed with Vita. No exclusive Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, or Monster Hunter titles on the handheld with no chance of that improving.

Price cut will have some software at the very least, killzone and tearaway. Cod was a joke, killzone isn't the best brand franchise, but the vita is an fps machine without an fps. Cod had a better chance but it was quite early and we also know how it went and likely why. Let's not rule them out yet. We may already know about Killzone but I bet they want to go after more than just people casually aware the vita exists, so its release should have a lot more effect than its announcement. Although, GTAV :/

Killzone is a niche franchise and Mercenary will be sent to die as a casualty of Sony having too much to market and not enough ad dollars for it all. Tearaway will suffer a similar fate due to being a new IP. Sony's not going to land a new GTA, or an exclusive entry in some other well known western third party outside of more 6/10 Ubisoft spinoffs.

 

[Skyzard]

Hmm, do you think Japan will get another pricedrop within a year or two? I can't seem them really getting out of the hole otherwise, as you said, FF and MGS seem unlikely and 3DS seems to have established third party in Japan.

I'm hoping westerners are holding off primarily due to price and lack of awareness so I'm still hopeful for swifter change there despite history of gaming habits (pre-iOS ) and their ps4 launching at a similar time. Plus GoW, Infamous etc still under their sleeves and a potential GTA moneyhat. A lot of it will depend on how confident they are in the Vita still and how much they want to market.

I'm worried they think there isn't interest there whereas it's more that people can't afford it. People need ads these days to get them to part with significant cash so ad money is factor I'm worried about too...but vita is so fine, gamers must see it.

 

[Takao]

Infamous will move 3 Vitas, and Sony has more hope of money-hatting a Japanese company than they do Rockstar. The latter won't even release their iOS PS2 ports on Vita.

 

[Skyzard]

Infamous in name only maybe! As an action game on the Vita? It would be one of very few impressive ones, can't imagine it not helping and I'm not even into the series. Would be on Vita though.

Shit that's the problem right there. People only realise they want to play the games are on Vita when they have a Vita in their hands. That's why I think price and ads will help even more. Get those Vita's out, see game sales-to-userbase ratio staying the same, get third parties on board. Maybe they are trying to be super sneaky and trickle software out to artificially raise that ratio. Maybe they are waiting for announcements post-price drop...maybe trying to plan out the PS4 better to time it well. Maybe they've given up. Still too early to tell if they've called it quits, especially for a company who invested in and owns that product.

 

[zulux21]

Infamous in name only maybe! As an action game on the Vita? It would be one of very few impressive ones, can't imagine it not helping and I'm not even into the series. Would be on Vita though.

Shit that's the problem right there. People only realise they want to play the games are on Vita when they have a Vita in their hands. That's why I think price and ads will help even more. Get those Vita's out, see game sales-to-userbase ratio staying the same, get third parties on board.

we will have to see what sony plans for this fall, I expect at least a $50 price cut on the vita for this fall, and I am hoping there is a ps4 bundle that includes everything someone could want to add onto the ps4 like the ps4 eye, a move starter pack, and a vita for like $150 more than the base model.

 

[antibolo]

we will have to see what sony plans for this fall, I expect at least a $50 price cut on the vita for this fall, and I am hoping there is a ps4 bundle that includes everything someone could want to add onto the ps4 like the ps4 eye, a move starter pack, and a vita for like $150 more than the base model.

A Vita bundled with the premium PS4 SKU? That would be insane.

Spoiler

Insane enough to work!

 

[Takao]

we will have to see what sony plans for this fall, I expect at least a $50 price cut on the vita for this fall, and I am hoping there is a ps4 bundle that includes everything someone could want to add onto the ps4 like the ps4 eye, a move starter pack, and a vita for like $150 more than the base model.

Ah yes, the under supported PS4 accessory bundle.

Infamous in name only maybe! As an action game on the Vita? It would be one of very few impressive ones, can't imagine it not helping and I'm not even into the series. Would be on Vita though.

Shit that's the problem right there. People only realise they want to play the games are on Vita when they have a Vita in their hands. That's why I think price and ads will help even more. Get those Vita's out, see game sales-to-userbase ratio staying the same, get third parties on board. Maybe they are trying to be super sneaky and trickle software out to artificially raise that ratio. Maybe they are waiting for announcements post-price drop...maybe trying to plan out the PS4 better to time it well. Maybe they've given up. Still too early to tell if they've called it quits, especially for a company who invested in and owns that product.

I don't believe the entirety of the inFamous franchise has hit 5 million. It's not a big IP, and there's no guarantee it will do well on a handheld.

Their poor forecast for PSP and Vita from mid 2013 to mid 2014 implies they don't expect anything to improve. They don't have the software that would improve the situation, and aren't willing to pay for it.

 

[zulux21]

A Vita bundled with the premium PS4 SKU? That would be insane.

Spoiler

Insane enough to work!

it really depends on how badly sony wants to push remote play with the vita. I know if they released a ps4 bundle with a vita at a good deal price over the base ps4 cost I would likely get that instead of a ps4 and vita separate since I will at some point need to get my wife a vita.

I don't believe the entirety of the inFamous franchise has hit 5 million. It's not a big IP, and there's no guarantee it will do well on a handheld.
.

it really depends if festival of blood sold over 750k or so. but not good sales numbers for that exist as far as I know.

really of their big franchises the only one that makes much sense to me to create a vita version at this time would be GT and that's only if they can get the photo mode looking really sexy on the vita, as GT has that "hey man look at how sexy this is" factor to it that could work well to show off in an office to build up excitement for the vita.

now at this time shouldn't be confused for ever. Something like a companion game to the infamous game that works like a prequel to the new setting would be nice. But it likely wouldn't be able to be even close to the ps3 infamous games in detail/gameplay as current size limitations would require a lot of compression to fit a game like infamous on there, which would result in them either cutting back assets like the size of the city/ the details of the city, or require a crap ton of loading. In general though a bunch of side stories to their big franchises make sense to me, but that is only if they have the extra story to tell, they shouldn't force it. I mean something like infamous festival of blood likely would have been a great fit for the vita.

What first party IPs should Sony put on the Vita that would sell many Vitas? Or should they just not bother with releasing first party games?

GT is the obvious one. maybe a god of war game, but beyond that the major ones are already covered.

 

[VanWinkle]

Infamous will move 3 Vitas, and Sony has more hope of money-hatting a Japanese company than they do Rockstar. The latter won't even release their iOS PS2 ports on Vita.

What first party IPs should Sony put on the Vita that would sell many Vitas? Or should they just not bother with releasing first party games?

 

[crinale]

Buying out third party devs for handheld in Japan just won't work at all.
Sure Sony could have proposed some cash to Capcom to release MH for Vita, but Nintendo will outbid Sony instantly, to the point that Sony just give up.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

Buying out third party devs for handheld in Japan just won't work at all.
Sure Sony could have proposed some cash to Capcom to release MH for Vita, but Nintendo will outbid Sony instantly, to the point that Sony just give up.

especially with monster hunter...even if vita got the same version 3ds has, it's too late. nintendo has scooped up the people already who would buy a system for that game.

 

[Ran rp]

I still can't play MGS on my Vita.
That was the first thing I wanted to play on my Vita.
I crey evry tiem

 

[Twinduct]

Gah really hope there's a Vita GT coming! Also none of that PSP GT shit, I want a full fledged GT for Vita, although I imagine thats just wishful thinking.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

I still can't play MGS on my Vita.
That was the first thing I wanted to play on my Vita.
I crey evry tiem

whats the issue? or do you mean MGS 1?

 

[Takao]

Buying out third party devs for handheld in Japan just won't work at all.
Sure Sony could have proposed some cash to Capcom to release MH for Vita, but Nintendo will outbid Sony instantly, to the point that Sony just give up.

Monster Hunter isn't the only piece of the puzzle missing. There's a giant elephant in the room that Sony happens to own 10% of.

What first party IPs should Sony put on the Vita that would sell many Vitas? Or should they just not bother with releasing first party games?

Gran Turismo, and God of War. Of course the effectiveness of those franchises will likely be dampened since I imagine we'll see PS4 counterparts before PSV. Any other money should be spent securing major third party support.

 

[mauaus]

especially with monster hunter...even if vita got the same version 3ds has, it's too late. nintendo has scooped up the people already who would buy a system for that game.

Make it a significant visual upgrade with trophies and who knows

 

[Mario007]

What first party IPs should Sony put on the Vita that would sell many Vitas? Or should they just not bother with releasing first party games?

Gran Turismo and God of War, the two biggest brands they have (apart from Uncharted).

 

[crinale]

As for MH, Sony admits they have "talked" to Capcom regarding it (the article never gives the result of it but it is heavily implied Capcom turned it down). So it's not like Sony didn't even try to secure IP.

especially with monster hunter...even if vita got the same version 3ds has, it's too late. nintendo has scooped up the people already who would buy a system for that game.

I agree with that, and IMO that's why Sony really decided to promote Soul Sacrifice, along with other games within that genre.

Monster Hunter isn't the only piece of the puzzle missing. There's a giant elephant in the room that Sony happens to own 10% of.

As for SE they'll have support for PS3/4. Why not portables? Because SE is in really bad shape too that they just can't support Vita

 

[garath]

Gran Turismo and God of War, the two biggest brands they have (apart from Uncharted).

I'd buy both of those. Especially Gran Turismo.

 

[Takao]

As for SE they'll have support for PS3/4. Why not portables? Because SE is in really bad shape too that they just can't support Vita

There's no reason for Bravely Default to have been a 3DS exclusive until well I guess now with Nintendo publishing it abroad. Of course there's the Final Fantasy Type-0 joke as well. Even if Square Enix were doing well it doesn't seem like they'd support Vita. The only major Japanese third party supporting the platform is Namco Bandai, and even that's only PSP/PS3 ports that will stay Japan-only.

 

[Skyzard]

I want to say Sony should deliver more console quality games like FPS and action-adventure games, which are the best selling games on consoles and are lacking on the Vita, which is advertised as somewhat of a console in your hands. That means it hasn't reached its software potential yet (like the PS3 did, or price for that matter) and so there is still a chance.

But I'm worried about creating a market by taking users from your own base - especially in this economy. Sales you would have had anyway, hence cross-buy. Making a PS3 replacement makes the PS3 obsolete for a portion of (likely) your own userbase. Especially when the PS3 still targets the hardcore.

It's now gradually targeting families. The Vita won't be a PS4 replacement [and the PS3 won't stay this appealing always], in fact it helps to own a vita with PS4 a bit more now. Plus, some gamers are still into their phones, but how long can that last.

Maybe that is part of why (third-parties especially) aren't pushing it yet? To not compete with PS3 sales from the people who aren't all that bored of the PS3 and were still buying games, the same ones on Vita now.

Infamous might not have done well in the PS360 market, but in the Vita (+3DS) market(s), it would do alright. As did the AC-spinoff, which was simultaneously released iirc?

Basically - wait for PS4, push more exclusives on Vita, otherwise they'd just make it for PS3 atm. Indies make sense this year (easy ports/low cost funding), along with a few decent retail titles. Still hoping for future announcements though.

At least we'll get GR2 right. Hopefully UC2 as well.

I also think it makes sense for them not to over-predict again.

Vita needs in EU -Fifa, GTA and GT portable [plus price-cut, marketing] to take off. US needs GTA and a better CoD (hopefully next year..).
Japan needs what, FF, MGS, GT, CoD, GTA?

 

[crinale]

There's no reason for Bravely Default to have been a 3DS exclusive until well I guess now with Nintendo publishing it abroad. Of course there's the Final Fantasy Type-0 joke as well. Even if Square Enix were doing well it doesn't seem like they'd support Vita. The only major Japanese third party supporting the platform is Namco Bandai, and even that's only PSP/PS3 ports that will stay Japan-only.

FFX-HD for Vita is already a "huge" support from SE to Vita. SE outright say that they'll start to consider the platform when it has 5M userbase per region. Without the 10% share you are referring to the Vita version never existed IMO.

 

[Mario007]

I'd buy both of those. Especially Gran Turismo.

Same here and I'm not even a huge racing fan. I'd especially buy GoW though, having a hack and slash on the go would be amazing.

There's no reason for Bravely Default to have been a 3DS exclusive until well I guess now with Nintendo publishing it abroad. Of course there's the Final Fantasy Type-0 joke as well. Even if Square Enix were doing well it doesn't seem like they'd support Vita. The only major Japanese third party supporting the platform is Namco Bandai, and even that's only PSP/PS3 ports that will stay Japan-only

Honestly, Sony should have reached out to SE to publish Type-0 HD on the Vita, just like Nintendo is doing with BD:FF.

 

[Kyon]

Now that I have my two favorite games on this planet on my vita ( P4G and X-2 soon) I don't care what Sony does tbh it's already the perfect handheld/system to me like the PS2.

;_; VitaTina Aguilera living legend

 

[btkadams]

Same here and I'm not even a huge racing fan. I'd especially buy GoW though, having a hack and slash on the go would be amazing.

arguably the best god of war game is already on vita. i'd rather have an infamous vita tbh.

obviously i'd like both though.

 

[Jomjom]

Didn't realize there was a new thread, but anyway from my post in the April thread:

Don't know if anyone still cares about this (well people who referred me probably do), but I e-mailed Playstation support regarding the PS Vita referral program and they responded with the following:

"If you have "Successful - Pending" referrals currently these will be validated and rewards will be sent within 6 weeks after 5/10/2013"

So hopefully the people who haven't received their $20 SEN credit yet due to their referral not being processed, will soon enough!

 

[Mario007]

arguably the best god of war game is already on vita. i'd rather have an infamous vita tbh.

obviously i'd like both though.

Well I would too, but I would love for more people to buy a Vita and having an exclusive GoW game would definitely help much more than Infamous. I agree that being able to play GoS is nice, but you need a shiny new game for the Vita. They've mentioned primordials in GoW:A so you could have a plot to do with them, you could also have the war of Troy or the Greeko-Persian wars in it as part of Kratos' 10 years of service to the gods. Or even have a Deimos story.

Infamous can come after that.

 

[Takao]

I want to say Sony should deliver more console quality games like FPS and action-adventure games, which are the best selling games on consoles and are lacking on the Vita, which is advertised as somewhat of a console in your hands. That means it hasn't reached its software potential yet (like the PS3 did, or price for that matter) and so there is still a chance.

But I'm worried about creating a market by taking users from your own base - especially in this economy. Sales you would have had anyway, hence cross-buy. Making a PS3 replacement makes the PS3 obsolete for a portion of (likely) your own userbase. Especially when the PS3 still targets the hardcore.

It's now gradually targeting families. The Vita won't be a PS4 replacement [and the PS3 won't stay this appealing always], in fact it helps to own a vita with PS4 a bit more now. Plus, some gamers are still into their phones, but how long can that last.

Maybe that is part of why (third-parties especially) aren't pushing it yet? To not compete with PS3 sales from the people who aren't all that bored of the PS3 and were still buying games, the same ones on Vita now.

Infamous might not have done well in the PS360 market, but in the Vita (+3DS) market(s), it would do alright. As did the AC-spinoff, which was simultaneously released iirc?

At least we'll get GR2 right. Hopefully UC2 as well.

Third parties aren't releasing games on Vita because it isn't selling, and Sony's shown them no inclination that they're willing to fix that.

FFX-HD for Vita is already a "huge" support from SE to Vita. SE outright say that they'll start to consider the platform when it has 5M userbase per region. Without the 10% share you are referring to the Vita version never existed IMO.

It would've huge had there not been a PS3 version. At this rate Vita will never hit their target.

 

[Schobeleth]

GUYS SOUL SACRIFICE IS SO AMAZING OM NOM NOM I LOVE IT~ GIMME ALL DEM SOULS

....seriously this game is amazing. I still want to platinum Gravity Rush though!

 

[crinale]

It would've huge had there not been a PS3 version. At this rate Vita will never hit their target.

I know that but from SE's point of view that's quite a huge support they'd do for the platform with 5M userbase worldwide

 

[Reluctant-Hero]

Man, this thread has become way negative in the last few pages. Totobeni must approve.

 

[DigitalOp]

If Sony asked me to save the Vita,

Id crack my knuckles and make sure I get a :

New GoW game, Make it freshen up the series for the West [Money Maker]
Infamous game that shares a relation to the PS4 release
GT6 for the West [Money Maker]
Bring back Syphon Filter for the West [hell yeah Money Maker]
Proper Ratchet for the West
New Ape Escape for Japan

Bend can give me Uncharted Vita 2 [Money Maker]
Gravity Rush 2 on the way
Give Soul Sacrifice a second iteration [Possible Money Maker]


If my money makers pulled through I could then pull for a :

Folklore
Rouge Galaxy
Dark Cloud

to build the audience on these titles...

All in all, If none of that gets you excited for Vita then its a wrap. Pack it up. I wish Sony could go this hard and just pretty much deliver. Make an offer people cant refuse.

I do believe they need to look into new IP's. A good step with Tearaway coming. And even Puppeteer!!

 

[Young Magus]

Quick question:
For soul sacrifice is the deal still going on where the game comes with the Japanese VA wgen you get it . from PSN?

 

[Skyzard]

Third parties aren't releasing games on Vita because it isn't selling, and Sony's shown them no inclination that they're willing to fix that.

True. They need to see at the very least a push from Sony and results from the western pricedrop. I'm suggesting it may be best for Sony to push the Vita mostly after the PS4 is out in the west - so that vita game sales (third-party or not) don't compete with potential PS3 sales in general.

Would it make more sense to release a portable ps2 during the ps2 or the ps3...

[perhaps slightly early like they've done for the (lower than expected) hardcore, higher priced sales and those who've lost interest in console gaming for now- end of ps3 lifecycle/ios]

 

[ThatStupidLion]

im actually a little surprised puppeteer is for ps3 and not vita.... atleast make it on both!

 

[Izuna]

Sine Mora is rather unentertaining.

 

[crinale]

Give Soul Sacrifice a second iteration

I'm sure Sony would do that, after they release all DLCs for current game
I believe new IP is what would make Vita shine, instead of already established franchise.
(That's why I'm kinda against ideas to moneyhat third party franchises).

 

[mauaus]

If Sony asked me to save the Vita,

Id crack my knuckles and make sure I get a :

New GoW game, Make it freshen up the series for the West [Money Maker]
Infamous game that shares a relation to the PS4 release
GT6 for the West [Money Maker]
Bring back Syphon Filter for the West [hell yeah Money Maker]
Proper Ratchet for the West
New Ape Escape for Japan

Bend can give me Uncharted Vita 2 [Money Maker]
Gravity Rush 2 on the way
Give Soul Sacrifice a second iteration [Possible Money Maker]


If my money makers pulled through I could then pull for a :

Folklore
Rouge Galaxy
Dark Cloud

to build the audience on these titles...

All in all, If none of that gets you excited for Vita then its a wrap. Pack it up. I wish Sony could go this hard and just pretty much deliver. Make an offer people cant refuse.

I do believe they need to look into new IP's. A good step with Tearaway coming. And even Puppeteer!!

I need you to be president of Sony NOW

 

[Skyzard]

I need you to be president of Sony NOW

As long as he pulled for GTA instead

 

[branny]

Sine Mora is rather unentertaining.

Are you my twin? I hated the XBLA demo no matter which difficulty I tried.

 

[Skyzard]

^Did you guys try the ship with the reverse time thing?

 

[Takao]

True. They need to see at the very least a push from Sony and results from the western pricedrop. I'm suggesting it may be best for Sony to push the Vita mostly after the PS4 is out in the west - so that vita game sales (third-party or not) don't compete with potential PS3 sales in general.

Would it make more sense to release a portable ps2 during the ps2 or the ps3...

[perhaps slightly early like they've done for the (lower than expected) hardcore, higher priced sales and those who've lost interest in console gaming for now- end of ps3 lifecycle/ios]

Sony forgot about the PSP while they were trying to save the PS3, and by the time they remembered the PSP it was already too late to save it in the west. Vita's doing a tonne worse, and you're suggesting they try that exact same strategy?

 

[HooYaH]

If Sony asked me to save the Vita,

Id crack my knuckles and make sure I get a :

New GoW game, Make it freshen up the series for the West [Money Maker]
Infamous game that shares a relation to the PS4 release
GT6 for the West [Money Maker]
Bring back Syphon Filter for the West [hell yeah Money Maker]
Proper Ratchet for the West
New Ape Escape for Japan

Bend can give me Uncharted Vita 2 [Money Maker]
Gravity Rush 2 on the way
Give Soul Sacrifice a second iteration [Possible Money Maker]


If my money makers pulled through I could then pull for a :

Folklore
Rouge Galaxy
Dark Cloud

to build the audience on these titles...

All in all, If none of that gets you excited for Vita then its a wrap. Pack it up. I wish Sony could go this hard and just pretty much deliver. Make an offer people cant refuse.

I do believe they need to look into new IP's. A good step with Tearaway coming. And even Puppeteer!!

I rather have Sony make a deal with 3rd parties to have Sony studios (not like Sony handling of COD Vita, but Sony Bend & Cambridge) to port properly GTAV, the unannounced Fallout, and COD: Ghost. Out of your list, I think GT6 will be the only big money maker.

 

[B.O.O.M]

lol they had a Vita in the latest episode of Hataraku Mao (anime)

 

[Izuna]

Are you my twin? I hated the XBLA demo no matter which difficulty I tried.

I accept it's art-style well since we rarely get this kind of look in that genre, but the gameplay is so 'meh'. Everything that's not run-of-the-mill shooter feels like a tacked on mod.

:/ Makes me wanna play R-Type though.

 

[Skyzard]

Sony forgot about the PSP while they were trying to save the PS3, and by the time they remembered the PSP it was already too late to save it in the west. Vita's doing a tonne worse, and you're suggesting they try that exact same strategy?

None of what you described sounds like strategy, rather, bad planning. I'm suggesting they do the opposite and plan it better.

It seems they've put devs on PS4 games for quite a while, which is great. Devs are attracted to the PS4 already clearly, Sony made the right calls with architecture, and hopefully pricing and other awesome consumer shit. It's not in the same trouble as PS3 was. Hopefully. At any rate, it won't be Sony vs devs, it will be Sony + devs vs market.

I'm suggesting that it makes more sense to not heavily push two products that are too similar at the same time. PS4 will save Vita by timing. Sleep easy guys.

 

[Laughing Banana]

If I download something from the PSN for my Vita, then I pause the download mid-way, then I turn off my Vita. Can I resume download from the same point in another time after I turn my Vita back on and reconnecting to the store/PSN?

 

[Skyzard]

If I download something from the PSN for my Vita, then I pause the download mid-way, then I turn off my Vita. Can I resume download from the same point in another time after I turn my Vita back on and reconnecting to the store/PSN?

Oh wait. Power off? hmm, easy to check, sorry my vita isn't handy.

[I thought you meant put it on standby, which of course works when you resume, as long as there is battery anyway]

 

[jwk94]

PSN version of Muramasa Rebirth will be $34.99

 

[Takao]

None of what you described sounds like strategy, rather, bad planning. I'm suggesting they do the opposite and plan it better.

It seems they've put devs on PS4 games for quite a while, which is great. Devs are attracted to the PS4 already clearly, Sony made the right calls with architecture, and hopefully pricing and other awesome consumer shit. It's not in the same trouble as PS3 was. Hopefully. At any rate, it won't be Sony vs devs, it will be Sony + devs vs market.

I'm suggesting that it makes more sense to not heavily push two products that are too similar at the same time. PS4 will save Vita by timing. Sleep easy guys.

You're way too optimistic. Vita was cut from a similar cloth to the PS4 not PS3. Supposedly easy to develop for, a supposedly attractive price, and we've seen how well that worked. Sony's shut down internal studios that worked on Vita games in favour of expanding studios that won't even bother.

I suspect this E3 will have Sony show a montage of Vita games almost universally being of the indie variety, and an announcement of Bend's new game or some 6/10 Ubisoft spinoff and that'll be all for Vita. It'll get less and less of a focus in future industry tradeshows.