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Star Trek into Darkness |OT| Not very tired at all
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I see people talking about 'glossing over' the many plot holes in STiD and how it isn't a big deal. Well I don't agree with that but I can at least see where they are coming from.
What I cannot abide however is 'character motivation holes' and 'cohesive drama holes' which STiD is littered with.
Both of those are far more offensive to me and far more damaging to the film than 'mere' plot holes. People will point out that Orci/Kurtzman aren't involved with Abrams Star Wars film but they weren't involved with Super 8 and that had the exact same problems at all his other films.
Star Star?
What I cannot abide however is 'character motivation holes' and 'cohesive drama holes' which STiD is littered with.
Both of those are far more offensive to me and far more damaging to the film than 'mere' plot holes. People will point out that Orci/Kurtzman aren't involved with Abrams Star Wars film but they weren't involved with Super 8 and that had the exact same problems at all his other films.
Star Star?
You married the complete opposite of yourself.
Loved it! 3D was so worth it, one of the best 3D conversions I have seen. There were a few memorable 3D "money shots" in there. It was a lot of fun, and as someone who grew up watching Star Trek, I felt there was enough "Star Trekness" to it without feeling like something else. My wife never saw the old movies, and she thought this was fantastic (big fan of ST09). When I told her on the drive home what ST2 did in comparison, it did not diminish what she thought of this movie. She said that this works so much better for a modern audience, which I completely agree with. Going to see it again memorial weekend!
Finally the summer movie season starts off right after being terribly underwhelmed by IM3.
Finally the summer movie season starts off right after being terribly underwhelmed by IM3.
Hated the ending. Very predictable film. Beautiful. A couple key emotional moments worked despite knowing what would happen. It still is only half of what Star Trek is about and what I'm interested in. Keeps your attention with some cool action sequences and a fun opening. B-
Robot Pants
Member
Never seen the old movies, and I still knew everything that was going to happen in this one. So I agree with the above, very predictable. Kinda disappointed in it. Liked the last one much more
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
What does that even mean!?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I actually liked it more than the first film because it's a bit more cohesive and everyone got into action, though
I like what they did to
as though he's Wesker lol
I like the little nods too -
and all that.
I wonder if they'll do Star Trek whales.
I kinda wish it ended on Kirk "dying"... to save for Search for Kirk!
Khan
I like the little nods too -
Zulu being captain, reverse KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
I wonder if they'll do Star Trek whales.
ManDudeChild
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... Is there a character named Zulu, or was that a typo on Sulu? Haven't seen the new "Star Trek" yet, so I am curious.
Star Star Gabor.
Zulu is the name of Michael Caine's character. It's really just a cameo appearance but it's a reference to the classic film Zulu that Caine was in.
Caine plays Zulu who is Khan's father and Scotty's brother in law.......,
ManDudeChild
Member
Star Star Gabor.
Zulu is the name of Michael Caine's character. It's really just a cameo appearance but it's a reference to the classic film Zulu that Caine was in.
Caine plays Zulu who is Khan's father and Scotty's brother in law.......,
Epic. So I take it that Kirk has to use some sort of Corbomite device to take down Zulu, being an infantry man with hundreds of years battle experience?
Yoshichan the nerdiest nerd in existense and a girl who wonders who Star Trak is?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Saw it last night. I'm not really a Star Trek fan but I enjoyed it and would see it again. I had a free pass to it so I ended up seeing it in a regular screen but I could tell this is one of those films that needs to be seen in IMAX. I'll probably see it there on Monday.
so he's Khan with a first name?
Going to see it later today if i can find one of my friends to go since i hate going to movies by myself
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
so he's Khan with a first name?
Going to see it later today if i can find one of my friends to go since i hate going to movies by myself
Nope, he's just
Khan
The Librarian
Banned
Okay. I'll be seeing it this afternoon. I'll be going by myself because I want to see it then ill be seeing it again with a friend on Sunday.
ThoseDeafMutes
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That'd suck if you didn't like it.
I knew about this going into the movie and was surprised the people who I was with didn't know until it was revealed.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Oh man, not sure I could ever do that. For some reason I see going to a theater alone that same as sitting at a both in a restaurant alone.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
It was pretty obvious if you had any familiarity with the canon.
I'm surprised so many trek fans are into this. For me it was a passably entertaining spacey action, with a barely-existent plot clearly only designed to ferret the characters from one set-piece to the next, but the movie's 'morals', for lack of a better term, seemed in direct contradiction to what makes Star Trek unique: it should be about the human race trying to better itself and resolve its conflicts without always resorting to violence. I'm sure many will point to the Dominion War here as an example of my being utterly wrong, but the success of that series is debating the ethics of wartime and whether good long-term ends justify often immoral means. Not to mention that Sisko and co. often push for a diplomatic solution but, as is appropriate to the setting, frequently find themselves forced into battle. This movie presented a Federation under fear of war and threat of terrorism, a potentially very interesting premise, yet had little to say about how the characters reacted in the face of that situation.
and exposes J.J. Abrams' lack of understanding of what makes the Trek universe different from that of Star Wars and many other sci-fi franchises. For the record, I'm not at all opposed to his 'modernising' the franchise with lots of action and sex appeal, which in many respects goes back to the pulpy origins of the TV series. Even if it doesn't make much sense, Abrams' first movie is perfectly entertaining and the alternate timeline concept keeps it interesting enough, while Kirk's offer to save Nero at the end shows the moral conviction of a true Star Trek. Into Darkness, sadly, just
It only really served to create a villain out of the admiral and throw Khan into the mix for no real reason at all other than as a lazy rehash of Star Trek II's most memorable moments without any of the thematic depth or emotional resonance (Kirk's 'death' is meaningless because the movie has so blantantly set up its ridiculous escape route). I was hoping that when Kirk and Khan 'team up' the movie would pull a twist by having the partnership endure, with Kirk seeking to defeat the Admiral for his twisting the Federation's peaceful purpose into militarisation and to avenge the wrong done to Khan. I'm not saying they couldn't have set Khan up to become a villain eventually, but it would have been a cleverer invocation of old Trek to have Kirk leave him and his people on an uninhabited planet instead of handing him back to Section 31, teaching Kirk the value of humility by havng him do what was morally right rather than following his orders and desire for vengeance. That seems a far more intelligent and Star Trekky theme and conclusion than the existing 'hey, family's great, isn't it?'
copies the aesthetics without understanding the meaning.
The Librarian
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Oh well! But I think my friend and I will have fun. Here's the last part of our text conversation:
Me: "Sure! As long as you don't mind I see it once beforehand.
"Her: "As long as you don't spoil it for me!"
Me: "Don't worry, I won't spoil the fact that everyone dies from a disease Kirk got from having sex with an alien woman. 8)"
Her: "Buahaha i hope thats how it ends"
Me: "Yeah. Kirk forgot to follow Starfleet general order #2: Beware space vaginas!"
Her: "hey thats what the last one was about: dimension-altering black holes"
Me: "Oh my god. lol Ewwwwwwwww"
I like your story better.
sweetvar26
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The Librarian
Banned
I've done it before when I saw X-Files: Fight the Future. And that time I was alone in the theater. I must see this film.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Hope so. In retrospect I should have found other people to go with, since the Gold Class viewing we all went to at their insistence was $30 just for the ticket.
JJ's on Star Wars now, so it could happen.
Pagusas
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None of my loser friends wants to go see it so i guess i will be flying solo for the first time at the movies today
Also, no IMAX showing here unless you see it in IMAX 3D which is fucking bullshit, i hate 3D
if it means anything, i was seriously shocked at how good the 3D was in this film. Probably one of the best I've been to (and i've seen nearly everything in 3D as the gf loves it).
I wear glasses and not the small "wire frame" kind so it's extremely uncomfortable to wear those cheap plastic 3D glasses over these glasses. It would be different if they offered goggle type 3D or 3D glasses that fit over these but they don't.
The last movie i saw in 3D was avatar and it was so uncomfortable i had to walk out and they gave me tickets to the 2D. If i didn't wear glasses or if they offered 3D glasses designed for people who wear glasses i would totally see more 3D films. Why do they not? Do they not understand a good portion of our population wears glasses? I'm sure some theaters offer them but none of my do.
AdventureRacing
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Saw this tonight with my brother and i think we both agreed that the movie was pretty bad. I mean i enjoyed it enough as a popcorn flick but even then the action did little for me.
I hate the acting from pretty much everyone in this movie (or should i say over-acting, maybe this is a star trek thing?). A lot of the character motivations are confusing and i also don't really like the way they interact with each other. The plot holes were pretty damn terrible, usually it's not even something i notice but in this movie they stood out.
I just can barely think of anything i liked in this movie. I think that opening shot with the absolutely terrible and out of place shaky cam started the movie off on the wrong foot and i didn't feel like it did much to turn it around.
Oblivion for me was a much better popcorn movie.
I hate the acting from pretty much everyone in this movie (or should i say over-acting, maybe this is a star trek thing?). A lot of the character motivations are confusing and i also don't really like the way they interact with each other. The plot holes were pretty damn terrible, usually it's not even something i notice but in this movie they stood out.
I just can barely think of anything i liked in this movie. I think that opening shot with the absolutely terrible and out of place shaky cam started the movie off on the wrong foot and i didn't feel like it did much to turn it around.
Oblivion for me was a much better popcorn movie.
amishpriest99
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Went to the Tysons Corner early screening last night...enjoyed it, with some reservations.
. It was about what I expected from an Abrams-verse treatment, but I can certainly see where more hardcore fans (and I would still consider myself one) would be indignant about it. I guess in my case I set my expectations appropriately and wasn't going into it looking for reasons to hate on it.
The IMAX 3D was very much worth it, I'll add.
A few too many plot holes, and the TWOK references seemed a bit heavy handed/over the top
The IMAX 3D was very much worth it, I'll add.
I'm not too surprised if some didn't, all the trailers seemed to want to cause a little confusion even amongst fans, and some people probably didn't pick up on the things in the trailers. Some of us said it was
Kahn from the first trailer, but even still there were people on here who would say it was Gary Mitchell or some other random character for months.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I don't mean prerelease, I just mean that movie itself made it very obvious prior to actually explicitly revealing that information.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
How is the 3D on this? (non-IMAX)
YuriLowell
Member
Looks like ill go see the 3D Imax on sunday.
Loud and cheesy....like most 3D films I guess. While I disliked the film, Prometheus was the only 3D film I rather enjoyed. They focused primarily on the landscapes, where in Star Trek it's just lens flare and objects coming in your face.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Hmm. Well I'm seeing this Saturday in non-3D but a friend wanted to go Sunday as well, so I might go again. Thought doing 3D that time would switch it up.
dutchguyjack
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Saw this yesterday, felt the ending was a bit abrupt. Other than that and a few scientific flaws (throw out physics/science in the name of plot, which is okay but I notice it a bit too much), a great film.
I ended up going to a free screening which was only in 3D. I mean, I'll deal with it. I'm not one of those people who get headaches from it. I'm just not a fan of the final product, especially with live actors.
In reply to xandaca, not a direct reply because to directly reply would unfortunately force me to stare at spoiler wall....
Without seeing this yet, what people need to understand is that this is earlier in the federation than alot of the Star Trek than people are used to in the older Trek not even factoring in alternate time line and Abrams fucking so the way things are responded to are different and not as defined or refined and definitely flawed.
Without seeing this yet, what people need to understand is that this is earlier in the federation than alot of the Star Trek than people are used to in the older Trek not even factoring in alternate time line and Abrams fucking so the way things are responded to are different and not as defined or refined and definitely flawed.
hey, I do both all the time. I'm a solo player (but not always)
amishpriest99
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I'm at the point where I just don't care anymore.
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