How can power be really an issue if most of their titles are still getting released on 360 and PS3, it's not like all those games WiiU is missing run only on PS4 or high end PCs. The decision to not support the Plattform was made probably 12 months or more ago, so I don't sales played a major part.
EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]
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efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
nrvalleytime
Member
I mean, he has a point. The PS4 is just two glued together PS3s.
Fourth Storm
Member
Quick, someone ask that dude about the shader count while he's still riled up!
GhostTrick
Banned
Yes, this can't be the same EA which released a FIFA 12 port rebranded as FIFA 13. This can't be the same EA which released Mass Effect 3 old port for full price and at the same time, announce the trilogy for the same price elsewhere. This can't be the same EA which used to released rebranded ports on 3DS, like Madden at launch which was the Android version but for 50.
Yes, poor EA, they did EVERYTHING possible to make sure their games sell well. It's Nintendo's fault, they failed to have a big userbase. Look at 3DS, there's only 30M units in 2 years, too small userbase to make games on it.
The Wii attach ratio is 9.0. Similar to the 360 and PS3. And it's not mostly first party software according to the financial reports.
Origin isn't an OS. Matchmaking and friend management is fine on Wii u. Only their account system needs an overhaul.
It isn't.
Unknown Soldier
Member
This won't even be a blip on the radar.
"Has to" - lol. More like wants to. SEGA has plenty of money, presumably they worked out that this arrangement would either a) make them more money or b) lessen the risk of them losing money should the titles bomb.
That's your opinion.
It's implying the calm before the storm that we're currently in now.
Rob Schnoddor
Banned
Sometime i have the imagination that the mods and admins here got VERY soft ... seeing how every Wii U thread, be it negative or positive, is going to get bloated up by the same people, who either dismiss good news or religiosly preach the negative comments to the very end .... thats, well ... strange, i can remember this forum being much harsher to trolls.
Yes i went there, i called the usual suspects trolls. And i would really appreciate it if something is done ... the forum could be a much nicer place than it is right now.
On the topic itself ... how can anyone say that this garbage stuff the dear EA dude was typing is true?
Weaker than 360? Sure. Not.
Only Mario and Zelda sell? Yes, but why? Because the third parties blessed the last three Nintendo consoles with nothing, garbage or niche games. You can't expect anyone to buy crap. Maybe if there were all the big games available together with the other console versions day one, without any drawbacks, well, that might sell decently.
But we already know that the publishers have their minds in space, expecting for example launch games to sell millions on a fresh released console.
Btw. if Nintendo consoles were always, importance on the word always, bad for third parties, i would love to know how all those companies, including EA, were surviving the first 2 console generations after the crash.
The Shop is bad? Yes, the shop could be better, but it does what every other store on consoles does right now, you can buy stuff and DLC. Yet the games do not even get the DLC.
Also he should really not be writing such a personal bias as a fact, especially after some of his colleagues proved his statement to be wrong.
Yes i went there, i called the usual suspects trolls. And i would really appreciate it if something is done ... the forum could be a much nicer place than it is right now.
On the topic itself ... how can anyone say that this garbage stuff the dear EA dude was typing is true?
Weaker than 360? Sure. Not.
Only Mario and Zelda sell? Yes, but why? Because the third parties blessed the last three Nintendo consoles with nothing, garbage or niche games. You can't expect anyone to buy crap. Maybe if there were all the big games available together with the other console versions day one, without any drawbacks, well, that might sell decently.
But we already know that the publishers have their minds in space, expecting for example launch games to sell millions on a fresh released console.
Btw. if Nintendo consoles were always, importance on the word always, bad for third parties, i would love to know how all those companies, including EA, were surviving the first 2 console generations after the crash.
The Shop is bad? Yes, the shop could be better, but it does what every other store on consoles does right now, you can buy stuff and DLC. Yet the games do not even get the DLC.
Also he should really not be writing such a personal bias as a fact, especially after some of his colleagues proved his statement to be wrong.
The Bookerman
Member
Find Me better tech where Backwards compatibility with the wii would be a non issue.
Again you ignore the fact that all 3rd party software on Wii-U is selling like shit.
Again you ignore that EA always release gimped titles at platform launch, yet they sell well elsewhere.
fluffydelusions
Member
EA will probably give the guy a raise.
BruiserBear
Banned
The U is doing far worse than the PS3 ever did, even when it launched at $500 as a starting price.
So while Sony was losing lots of money for a long time, it was still selling a respectable number of consoles at a very high price. The U is selling a horribly low number of consoles at a $300 price, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that is suddenly going to change.
A number of devs have talked about CPU performance in a negative way.
And with a game, it'll run as fast as the slowest component. If you have a CPU-bound 360 game and you port it to Wii U, chances are it'll run at a lower framerate. So if you see that in your game or have to start cutting on that platform to bring performance up to par, you might conclude it's simply not as capable a platform. Extra performance vs 360 in other areas will be immaterial when you're bound by the slower component. Yes, you could do some things with that excess power elsewhere without affecting your framerate, but if your framerate is sub-par you're more likely to spend your resources trying to fix the code running on the slower component, aren't you? It's a bit more fundamental. And thus if you spend your Wii U time cutting or optimising away things vs another platform, it's not going to leave a great impression around capability.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Even Nintendo's titles are struggling to break a mil on the Wii U. Bailing out was one of the best business moves I've seen from the company in awhile.
H_Prestige
Banned
What if he said "omg Wii U is so best amirite guyz"?
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
"Settle for less". Hmm. I will take the console with the best games, thank you very much. Granted not a very strong argument for the WiiU currently, but hey. If Knack is anywhere close to being as good as a mainline 3D Mario I will eat my hat.
LOL wtf is this? 3rd parties barely survived. Outside of a few giants most didn't make money. And the Wii succeeded because in addition to people who buy for Nintendo games (Mario and Zelda), the Wii was able to attract tons of causal games. You don't get to 100 million consoles because only Nintendo fans bough the system. And if that was true why wouldn't it work again with the WiiU?
Well I would only add that while 3rd parties are struggling , Nintendo themselves couldn't have continued down the path of competing head to head with MS and SONY. And they tried to create differing models for developers but by and large they chose MS and SONY while they continued to bleed, shut down, and or limp on.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
It's an opinion shared by many, nonetheless. See: sales
The Incarnation
Member
DragonSworne
Banned
The only company people should be angry about is Nintendo.
Who the hell releases a tethered tablet system that is comparable in power to hardware released 7-8 years ago? I don't care how small or power efficient the system is, especially if it costs $350 dollars.
Nintendo needs to rethink what it means to be a hardware manufactor if they want to stay in the business.
Who the hell releases a tethered tablet system that is comparable in power to hardware released 7-8 years ago? I don't care how small or power efficient the system is, especially if it costs $350 dollars.
Nintendo needs to rethink what it means to be a hardware manufactor if they want to stay in the business.
prag16
Banned
This is since the xbox 360 launched:
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;
I see one company that exploded then fell back to earth. And another company that has continually degraded. Which is which?
And adding the yearly financial reports to the comparison would make your position look even worse.
Katana_Strikes
Member
EA were never this harsh during the Dreamcast years... But then Twitter was just a twinkle in someone's eye at that point 
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Gaming didn't start until the Playstation released. Seen that referenced several times now.
Edit: Oops, this tab had been open for a while.
GeneralManager
Member
Sure. I just don't think they're are many with such extreme fan hood that they would refuse to no longer purchase games theyre interested in to punish EA. You'd have to be pretty extreme for that. The majority that own multiple consoles are going to continue purchase whatever titles they like on whatever platform.
Theres actual facts for arguing its weaker than a 360. The GPU is better but the CPU is slower and the RAM is 2 gigs as opposed to 512 but is a slower bandwith
Nintendo rejected FIFA?
NSMBU and Nintendo Land have 2.8 and 2.5 million units sold.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Well, if it isn't the Penguin hitler telebubby from twitter. Are you happy now? Did this clear up the frostbite engine fiasco?
Hate on EA all you want, but they have been in this game for a long time. They are not stupid and know a sinking ship when they see one. The Wii U was DOA and it is only going to get worse as this year rolls along. You cannot blame them or anyone else who is avoiding this console like the plague.
GhostTrick
Banned
Again, you're wrong. Some 3rd party software sold well on Wii U. Weirdly, the one who sold nice weren't shitty ports. Shocking, isn't it ?
EA release gimped titles is an excuse ? Come on, this just show how some gamers are just uninformed to buy gimped games. You took the exemple of Vita. How brillant. FIFA Football sold well, and EA released the same titles 4 times. How brillant !
annnd they're the only "Nintendo games" on Wii U currently. I guess you can count Lego City too if you want.
Justzisguyukno
Member
Lol, good luck with that
SneakyStephan
Banned
I was thinking the same, what a goddess
Beetleking11
Banned
Oh, the storm is certainly beginning. Just hit Go Nintendo. I've got a tab open on to watch the delicious reactions in real time.
Chaplain
Member
The only problem 3rd parties have is that they do not make returns on their investments on the Wii U. That's it.