EA Sports Engineer: Wii U is crap, < powerful than 360. No $ 3party. [Tweets Deleted]

That is actually EA's official stance towards the upcoming gen.

But by just picking Battlefield or CoD, you're missing the point of his post. Simply put, he is calling the EA business model unsustainable, which it is.

His whole point dosn't make sense.

Madden has been selling since the 16bit era
Same as FIFA.

Why will they stop selling now?

And we seen Activision milking dry Guitar Hero and creating another very successful IP with Skylanders. He's merely making an assumption that EA won't make another succesful IP ever.

No, his point dosn't offers any real argument.
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the "Gen4" thing.

Is he really implying that games before the PS1 didn't count?

Do we know how old this guy is?

It has nothing to do with age. DICE started using that nomeclosure all publishers followed.
So pretty much all western developers take this as an industry standard in name calling. PS1,2,3,4 "4 Gens"
 
I know exactly what tyranny means. Nintendo has a long history of bullying third parties by implying that game design is more important than graphics. And the way they present themselves to their audience doesn't help the industry. Instead of growing some balls, trying to man up and speak the truth like the EA employee they resort to constant apologies and polite answers that somehow are considered to be "professional". What are they, a bunch of babies? Judging by their recent gaming output, seems so.

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His whole point dosn't make sense.

Madden has been selling since the 16bit era
Same as FIFA.

Why will they stop selling now?

And we seen Activision milking dry Guitar Hero and creating another very successful IP with Skylanders. He's merely making an assumption.

No, his point dosn't offers any real argument.

Ea hasn't been doing well until now that's his point meaning their previous actions weren't proving successful. Their Ceo just got the boot and their double downing hence his implied unsustainability.

I'm not saying it is but I can understand why someone would think that.
 

Yeah. Damn them for not supporting a pretty much non-existent platform that is not being supported by the majority of the industry. Not to mention struggling to sell anything on the previous platform even while hardware was flying off shelves.

The Wii U is currently not a good investment.
 
I know exactly what tyranny means. Nintendo has a long history of bullying third parties by implying that game design is more important than graphics. And the way they present themselves to their audience doesn't help the industry. Instead of growing some balls, trying to man up and speak the truth like the EA employee they resort to constant apologies and polite answers that somehow are considered to be "professional". What are they, a bunch of babies? Judging by their recent gaming output, seems so.

Looks like you dont.
 
His whole point dosn't make sense.

Madden has been selling since the 16bit era
Same as FIFA.

Why will they stop selling now?

And we seen Activision milking dry Guitar Hero and creating another very successful IP with Skylanders. He's merely making an assumption.

No, his point dosn't offers any real argument.

Let's drop the specific titles he named; I agree, FIFA is bigger than ever, and will only get bigger. I agree IP can always be replaced.
I'm talking about the economics here. For every FIFA of Skylanders, there is a Crysis, a Dead Space, a Prototype, a THQ. The current AAA driven business model asks for enormous investments that REQUIRE massive dividends to just break even; it's hit and miss, and like 99 misses for every one hit. This is not sustainable.
 
I know exactly what tyranny means. Nintendo has a long history of bullying third parties by implying that game design is more important than graphics. And the way they present themselves to their audience doesn't help the industry. Instead of growing some balls, trying to man up and speak the truth like the EA employee they resort to constant apologies and polite answers that somehow are considered to be "professional". What are they, a bunch of babies? Judging by their recent gaming output, seems so.

What is this? What is this?
 
Exactly. "Hey let's overreact to someone giving his opinion because he insulted my corporation of choice so that in the future no one ever gives his/her honest opinion again. That'll be super fun!"

Yay oversimplifying! How's about saying dirt offline like the rest of the world! What if his "tweets" were phone calls? That would have been a hoot!
 
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I don't know who I should be identifying as the victims here. Do I have even an inkling of compassion for the delirious Nintendo fans who give Nintendo hobbyists such as myself a bad name, or the unprofessional man children given license through social media to express their unbridled hatred and animosity towards an inanimate corporate entity? No. If anyone deserves an apology, it's the level-headed gamer who, by no fault of his own, finds himself caught in the cross-hairs of warring factions impelled by sheer ignorance and inanity. Why can't I simply enjoy video games as a mode of entertainment without becoming entangled in the politics of the industry or the errant fanaticism that pervades the internet?

Maybe the notion of several competing consoles has overstayed its welcome. For some, the box sitting under the entertainment center has become more than a mechanical assemblage of transistors, shiny plastics, and silicon - it has become emblematic of a profound personal and emotional commitment. In the case of most self-professed hardcore gamers, it is quite literally an extension of the self. Making a derogatory comment about one's console of choice is now tantamount to throwing a punch, or insulting one's kin. I realize this console ingroup vs outgroup mentality has been raging for quite some time now. Many of us fondly recall the tame-by-comparison console wars of the early and mid 90's. With the advent of social media and the growing popularity of forums, however, fanboyism has reached its critical mass.

Not to vindicate the EA senior software engineer, but I have to wonder why the implications behind his words hurt people with presumably NO affiliation whatsoever to Nintendo co Ltd. Part of me sees these individuals as hopelessly ensnared in a social experiment gone horribly wrong, and in dire need of clinical intervention.
They weren't tame at all. War never changes.
 
That's GFX programmer talk.
They usually start counting from the first generation with polygons (3D)

YO GFX programmers! 2D Sprites >>>> Polygawns! Cry moar with your AA techniques!

SNES had polygons.

Muthafuckin' Star Fox.

Gen4 is an internal EA designation. It seems to relate to 3D game engine technology.

Is a term DICE employs and that EA started using in their financial meetings.

That is actually EA's official stance towards the upcoming gen.

But... but why. That's stupid. It's Gen 8. Why not just call it Gen 8. Why try to retcon video game history?
 
I know exactly what tyranny means. Nintendo has a long history of bullying third parties by implying that game design is more important than graphics. And the way they present themselves to their audience doesn't help the industry. Instead of growing some balls, trying to man up and speak the truth like the EA employee they resort to constant apologies and polite answers that somehow are considered to be "professional". What are they, a bunch of babies? Judging by their recent gaming output, seems so.

My point still stands.
 
I think it's correct in that the Wii U is dead in the eyes of many 3rd party developers, and rightly so. I know I wouldn't invest my money on an outdated machine with a small install base. It's sad, because I used to love Nintendo products...
 
A major breakup had to happen between these two companies. It's the only explanation for this. Crazy to see a company flat out drop support like this.

Maybe the investment wasn't worth it. How much resources did Madden Wii take versus how much of a return it got? How many people that actually like their FPS's think a Nintendo console is what they should own? The people that would buy an EA fps on a Wii are certainly not legion. I mean when the PS3 was floundering Sony seemed to bend over backwards to provide support for third parties in the way of tools and IIRC even lending developers. If Nintendo really wanted EA they'd make it worth their while by subsidizing their endeavors and making EA games on Wii U actually worth the effort.
 
But the problem EA had wasn't they were churning out Battlefields and FIFA.

But that certainly didn't save them. What makes you think it will save them now. If for example battlefield fails and loses market share they're even more screwed. They're no Activision.

It's a high risk strategy, as it is literally putting all your eggs in one basket.
 
I think it's correct in that the Wii U is dead in the eyes of many 3rd party developers, and rightly so. I know I wouldn't invest my money on an outdated machine with a small install base. It's sad, because I used to love Nintendo products...

Personally, as a Nintendo fan, their handhelds are where it's at right now. The 3DS is beasting.
 
I know exactly what tyranny means. Nintendo has a long history of bullying third parties by implying that game design is more important than graphics. And the way they present themselves to their audience doesn't help the industry. Instead of growing some balls, trying to man up and speak the truth like the EA employee they resort to constant apologies and polite answers that somehow are considered to be "professional". What are they, a bunch of babies? Judging by their recent gaming output, seems so.

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God, you Nintendo fans are something else.

I am always hearing - I bought the Wii U for the first party games so I don't care about 3rd party support. Well if that's the case, why on earth do you care if 3rd party devs are saying its a shitty system?

Yes, I am sure a Sony fan or a Microsoft fan would have responded any differently to such a comment, amirite?
 
This thread just keeps on delivering. I first saw this thread when it was only 1 page and although I foresaw great things, I certainly didn't see something on this scale.
 
He's the new "Two Gamecubes duct-taped together" guy.

That guy was right.

Well other EA employers who made a game for WiiU (Criterion) proved its false

That Criterion shipped Most Wanted doesn't prove anything false. Their game just didn't stress the aspects of the design that are deficient in WiiU when compared to 360/PS3. Except in multiplayer where the WiiU version supports fewer players at once.
 
But that certainly didn't save them. What makes you think it will save them now. If for example battlefield fails and loses market share they're even more screwed. They're no activision.
They still have FIFA. And who would play a Japanese football game when there's a Canadian football game?
 
Don't be dense.

The insanity comment is directed toward the notion that Nintendo is tyrannical, further coupled with the fact that it's in defense of an employee of EA - one of the shadiest, most anti-consumer publishers out there - apparently speaking "truth" to power.

You're telling me not to be dense, then you throw something far-fetched out there like it's a conspiracy. You truly are a hypocrite.

Don't worry, your truth is just as good as my truth, and just as good as his truth.

I am curious to know why your conspiracy about shadiness holds more truth, and why I shouldn't ask the two-word poster for his opinion.
 
Let's drop the specific titles he named; I agree, FIFA is bigger than ever, and will only get bigger. I agree IP can always be replaced.
I'm talking about the economics here. For every FIFA of Skylanders, there is a Crysis, a Dead Space, a Prototype, a THQ. The current AAA driven business model asks for enormous investments that REQUIRE massive dividends to just break even; it's hit and miss, and like 99 misses for every one hit. This is not sustainable.

And those are the type of games/IP's they're dropping. Alongside the dozens and dozens of SKU's.

They might have small margins on their big AAA productions, but dosn't mean is not sustainable. Look at Activision which is basically what EA is aiming. Also the mobile gaming is very profitable right now.

You can say Nintendo is more unsastainable given that they relies on gimmicks from their consoles which can be a hit or a miss.
 
God, you Nintendo fans are something else.

I am always hearing - I bought the Wii U for the first party games so I don't care about 3rd party support. Well if that's the case, why on earth do you care if 3rd party devs are saying its a shitty system?


You're adding to the problem by using one persons comment to brand an entire group of people.
 
I know exactly what tyranny means. Nintendo has a long history of bullying third parties by implying that game design is more important than graphics. And the way they present themselves to their audience doesn't help the industry. Instead of growing some balls, trying to man up and speak the truth like the EA employee they resort to constant apologies and polite answers that somehow are considered to be "professional". What are they, a bunch of babies? Judging by their recent gaming output, seems so.

A part of me cried inside as a gamer when I read this post, I find it really sad now that some gamers think graphics are more important than game design.
 
Yes, I am sure a Sony fan or a Microsoft fan would have responded any differently to such a comment, amirite?

If ms released a console like the wii u as their follow up to 360, ballmer effigies would be burning. did you see how people started turning on that company when those rumours were floating around? No, some nintendo fans are really hardcore fans come hell or high water. please notice the word 'some' in the above sentence.
 
They still have FIFA. And who would play a Japanese football game when there's a Canadian football game?

Can Fifa save the entire company. It sells well not that well. Ea's in a tough patch ahead there's no doubt about that. Same with activision due to likely low next gen intial growth but they're profitable enough to weather it.
 
And those are the type of games/IP's they're dropping. Alongside the dozens and dozens of SKU's.

They might have small margins on their big AAA productions, but dosn't mean is not sustainable. Look at Activision which is basically what EA is aiming. Also the mobile gaming is very profitable right now.

You can say Nintendo is more unsastainable given that they relies on gimmicks fro they consoles which can be a hit or a miss.

Activision has like four IPs in constant rotation, that and licensed games. Activision also has diversity in what audiences it caters to, unlike EA. Activison can actually support the Wii U with an appropriate title, because they have something in their portfolio that will appeal to the Wii U audience. EA guns for literally the same audience with every game it makes.

Nintendo is unsustainable? High profit margins on hardware, high profit margins on accessories, software royalties, and insane sales for internal software? How is that unsustainable? The only problem right now is the Wii U making a loss, which 3DS is more than absorbing, and for which they have cash reserves of $15 billion.
 
Maybe the investment wasn't worth it. How much resources did Madden Wii take versus how much of a return it got? How many people that actually like their FPS's think a Nintendo console is what they should own? The people that would buy an EA fps on a Wii are certainly not legion. I mean when the PS3 was floundering Sony seemed to bend over backwards to provide support for third parties in the way of tools and IIRC even lending developers. If Nintendo really wanted EA they'd make it worth their while by subsidizing their endeavors and making EA games on Wii U actually worth the effort.

I'd absolutely agree with this if they still weren't making games for Vita. Plus, their support back at launch was tepid at best and there were rumors before launch that something had happened and games were being cancelled.
 
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