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[Schnozberry]

There's really not much point in nintendo making their own middleware for thirdparties. It might be nice for some smaller devs and indies, but they have unity for that (not really a fan of Unity myself but whatever). It would be completely useless in regards to cross platform games, and even for the odd third party exclusive they manage to get, most studios would rather work with their existing tech, or their preferred middleware. Porting an engine to another platform is much quicker than porting a game to a different engine.

Yeah, I was thinking for smaller developers or third party partnerships where they share resources between internal and external teams. The Retro engines could be internal, if the rumor is even true.

 

[TreasureHunterG]

I don't think Activision need help to promote COD.

For Nintendo platforms, they need better promotion.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Silly me, all this time I thought the videogames industry was about videogames.

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

 

[Carpe Diem]

Not sure on overall sales but the series has been on the decline on all platforms.

considering Wii had a huge userbase it always sold less then 360/PS3 versions.

PES on Wii had no serious competition from EA either. FIFA on Wii was a kiddy football game!

Winning Eleven on GC which was a japanese only release never sold well and that had no competition. This was when FIFA was a joke and PES/WE was at its very best!

There is no guarantee that Wii U will even get PES 2014.

The series has always sold less on nintendo hardware. Like I said before, PES isnt suddenly become this huge seller on Wii U because there is no FIFA 14.

Gamers will move to other hardware as they dont want to play PES. They want to play FIFA!

Dude nothing is carved in stone. PES lost ground because it tried too much to be like FIFA when it seemed FIFA was gaining ground. There are MANY people who prefer PES over FIFA simply because of the gameplay. Barring a fallout between Nintendo and Konami, PES on Wii U should satisfy.

 

[Hrothgar]

Sunhi. The Man. The Myth. The Legend.

You forgot one, The Sony Employee

Spoiler

 

[Pikma]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

That's.... that's... pure comedy gold.

 

[JordoftheDead]

What Nintendo needs to do in order to counter EA. Now it's clear both companies are enemies.

Call Konami, support PES.
Call 2K, support all their sports line-up and help them to get the NFL franchise back. Support the Spec Ops franchise as response to BF.
Call Activision, heavily support the COD franchise as answer to BF.
Call Capcom, support the RE franchise as answer to Dead Space.
Call Codemasters, support their racing games.

They don't need EA. They have alternatives.

Support how? The best way they could 'support' them is to provide them a viable platform that has a high pickup rate and that sells a lot of software.

It's a business. If a developer doesn't think its monetary investment to support WiiU will be profitable (and sales charts aren't giving them any reason to think they will be) they won't come.

People using words like 'enemies' or accusing companies of being disrespectful just sounds so childish. It business. It is what it is.

 

[Niks]

Holy shit!!
:lol

 

[Projectjustice]

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

Nintendo has dedicated themselves to this mantra of "it's all about the gameplay and graphics are not important" and it's just bull crap. I for one don't think it's a bad mantra, I prefer gameplay over graphics myself. But that doesn't mean that graphics aren't an extremely important part of video games, they ALWAYS have been, anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves or is too young to have been there at or near the beginning.

So which is it? Make up your mind. You go back and forth so many times its ridiculous to even reply to you.

 

[Rehynn]

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

Look at Mario games (compare NSMB with Galaxy, for example). Look at Angry Birds. Look at Wii Sports, or the Wii, for that matter. Look at CoD. Look at the Sims.

Then tell me it's always about the graphics.

 

[RM8]

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

And this is why underpowered (even for their time) systems like Game Boy, DS and Wii were such failures.

 

[Nilaul]

http://gengame.net/2013/05/another-...sales-actually-improved-on-wii/#comment-12799

yes because third party doesnt sell on Nintendo consoles

Small snippet:

"After you cut away first-party Wii software sales, the remaining 500-510 million software units belonged to third-party titles."

"Wii’s “remake” of GoldenEye 007 managed to outsell HD platforms’ 007: Blood Stone by a factor of two-to-one when it launched in 2010. (Source) Activision also noted that GoldenEye even outsold Call of Duty during a comparable timeframe. (Source)"

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

Yep... I'm out! :lol :lol :lol

 

[markot]

People do prefer graphics.

Thats why DS was pwnt by the PSP and why the 3ds is in Vitas long shadow.

 

[Mileena]

For Nintendo platforms, they need better promotion.

Do Nintendo fans live under a rock? CoD comes out every early November.

 

[PhantomR]

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

You do realize that Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, Mario Kart, and NSMBU completely destroy this argument, right?


And MILLIONS of people in the demographic you just described picked up these games en masse. Non-HD graphics and all.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Some people in this thread are acting like you can't have great gameplay with great graphics.

The fact is, that more system power can lead to more interesting gameplay options. For example, Dead Rising wouldn't have been possible in it's current form before this generation.

Increased power = increased options. You can still make 2D puzzle games on those systems.

 

[Camp Lo]

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

What the hell?

 

[ASIS]

I lol'ed!

 

[Malvingt2]

http://gengame.net/2013/05/another-...sales-actually-improved-on-wii/#comment-12799

yes because third party doesnt sell on Nintendo consoles

Small snippet:

"Wii’s “remake” of GoldenEye 007 managed to outsell HD platforms’ 007: Blood Stone by a factor of two-to-one when it launched in 2010. (Source) Activision also noted that GoldenEye even outsold Call of Duty during a comparable timeframe. (Source)"

Wii remake was a better game by a lot and the changed of engines didn't help the HD twins.,

 

[OrangeJulius]

So which is it? Make up your mind. You go back and forth so many times its ridiculous to even reply to you.

Why does it matter what I prefer? Did you read the post? We are not the core market. I'm not going back and forth on anything, i've stated my preference. What I like isn't what sells and makes money.

 

[Schnozberry]

What the hell?

Gameplay is bourgeois? Hahahahah, oh lawd that's classic.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

http://gengame.net/2013/05/another-...sales-actually-improved-on-wii/#comment-12799

yes because third party doesnt sell on Nintendo consoles

Small snippet:

"Wii’s “remake” of GoldenEye 007 managed to outsell HD platforms’ 007: Blood Stone by a factor of two-to-one when it launched in 2010. (Source) Activision also noted that GoldenEye even outsold Call of Duty during a comparable timeframe. (Source)"

LOL?

Here's an exact quote by Activision:

"We're also launching two James Bond titles, a new game set in the GoldenEye universe exclusively on the Wii. This title has only been out for a few days, but it's already out selling last year's Modern Warfare 2 as Wii skew for the comparable period."

Goldeneye for Wii selling more than Modern Warfare 2 for Wii is not an achievement that's hard to beat. Not only that but GoldenEye Wii was 13th in the charts, and Blood Stone 18th. Is that a big achievement? I don't think so. It actually shows that no one gives a fuck about 007 games, and Wii gamers were starving for it much more.

 

[OrangeJulius]

What the hell?

This is helpful, do you have something to add or are you just trying to be edgy?

I'm guessing the latter.

 

[ciridesu]

Here's what I believe (personal opinion).

So far, every developer who has complained about PS3 or 360 being difficult to develop for has developed for it using the same engines they were saying are not compatible with the system. How? It's not because the system sold millions. It's not because suddenly it got easier to develop for the consoles using some Wizard Jizz or Secret Sauce.

It was because:

1) Unprecedented Partnership; Moneyhat: Loads of it. Ensuring devs get paid for exclusive DLC, games and more.
2) Help from Sony/Microsoft to optimize the engine for the developers, and provide hands-on experience on how to improve the engine or how to create for the console.
3) Developers (First and Third Parties) showing in venues like GDC on how they made their games, so others can make it too.
4) Providing free devkits, and other software.
5) Showing third party that first party is supporting the shit outta the console.
6) Bundles, demos, marketplace ads, free patches, minor and major leverages to avoid any roadblocks and more.

All in all, we consumers are as important as the developers. Developers are, in the end, consumers for Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft. You have to go and suck whatever lollipop they cherish because you want their games on your system, no matter how shit the game is. Once the ball starts rolling, the rest will join in.

Not really. It's the simple answer: They need each other. Devs need the market, and console brands need the devs. Whichever comes first depends on hype and expectations. It is apparent that very few publishers had any expectations towards their sales potential on WiiU thus leading to the third party -dilemma we are in as of this moment. Consequently, the WiiU market size is terrible and no-one wants to develop for it.

Edit: Regarding the engine, I have no doubts that it can be modified to work on WiiU. Everything can. It's just not worth it.

 

[TwelveMind]

Why's the man so angry? Okay... he doesn't like Nintendo, that much is obvious. However, it's not as if his company is throwing support behind the Wii U. Golly, you'd think his boss at EA is bending him over at work or something. Random happenings of this industry is just too funny!

* Just found out the man is working at EA Vancouver. Guy needs to chill. Plenty of weed in that city. LOL

 

[TreasureHunterG]

Support how? The best way they could 'support' them is to provide them a viable platform that has a high pickup rate and that sells a lot of software.

It's a business. If a developer doesn't think its monetary investment to support WiiU will be profitable (and sales charts aren't giving them any reason to think they will be) they won't come.

People using words like 'enemies' or accusing companies of being disrespectful just sounds so childish. It business. It is what it is.

Advertising these games. Mentioning them on Nintendo Directs. Exclusive content. Creating situation allowing Nintendo fanboys to actually buy them. Hardware bundles with these games included.

They can, if they want.

Do Nintendo fans live under a rock? CoD comes out every early November.

Yes, but nowhere near as promoted for Nintendo platforms the way it is for other platforms.

 

[SMT]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

Wow, that was incredible.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

LOL?

Here's an exact quote by Activision:

"We're also launching two James Bond titles, a new game set in the GoldenEye universe exclusively on the Wii. This title has only been out for a few days, but it's already out selling last year's Modern Warfare 2 as Wii skew for the comparable period."

Goldeneye for Wii selling more than Modern Warfare 2 for Wii is not an achievement that's hard to beat.

Modern Warfare 2 was never on the Wii.

 

[Rehynn]

This is helpful, do you have something to add or are you just trying to be edgy?

I'm guessing the latter.

Why did you choose to ignore the posts between this one and the previous one you replied to? You know, the ones pointing out the problem with your argument that people always prefer graphics over gameplay?

Because we actually had something to add, yet you don't seem to appreciate that either.

 

[VivaciousSoul]

Come on man, don't be ignorant. What do you think video games have marketed themselves with since the 80's. It's always been about graphics, always.

This "it's all about the gameplay" business is laughable.

People aged 10-34 want shiny pretty graphics. This bourgeois gameplay stuff is only for snobs on the internet. People like you and me. But guess what, we aren't the focus groups.

I think it's a lot like attraction between people, people are attracted by the exterior and stay for the interior. Without substance any partnership will be short lived. It is just as important to know that "ain't nobody coming" without the shiny exterior and "ain't nobody staying" without the shiny interior. Success comes from having both.

 

[GAMERG0D]

Dude has just said what everyone should have told nintendo 3 years ago. Some 3rd parties much have been telling them it's a disaster waiting to happen?

Iwata...you fucked up and need to go.
Reggie.you fucked up and need to go.
Shigs...you fucked up and need to go.

Why do people say this? He's just Iwata's puppet.

 

[AranhaHunter]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

LMAO. The thread that keeps on giving.

 

[Fourth Storm]

The same old graphics vs gameplay argument again? As if both aren't important? Listen to yourselves!

Great graphics will always provide a distinct advantage. Not that every game needs to be Crysis, but even Wii Sports and Angry Birds are visually appealing to an extent.

Problem is Nintendo has no Wii U games at the moment which provide enough revolutionary and/or addictive gameplay to counterbalance the lack of a graphical jump.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Modern Warfare 2 was never on the Wii.

Oh I'm sorry. Modern Warfare: Reflex. It was the first Modern Warfare released for Wii (right?) and even that was a port of an older game when other consoles were transitioning to Modern Warfare 2 and 3.

Also, this is the UK chart, not worldwide.

 

[Camp Lo]

This is helpful, do you have something to add or are you just trying to be edgy?

I'm guessing the latter.

You post that bullshit and I'm being edgy? LOL

 

[Visualante2]

Oscar worthy .gif

 

[Jarmel]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

That is a long ass gif.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Oh I'm sorry. Modern Warfare: Reflex. It was the first Modern Warfare released for Wii and even that was a port of an older game when other consoles were transitioning to Modern Warfare 2.

Where does it say Modern Warfare: Reflex in the earnings call?

 

[OrangeJulius]

Why did you choose to ignore the posts between this one and the previous one you replied to? You know, the ones pointing out the problem with your argument that people always prefer graphics over gameplay?

Because we actually had something to add, yet you don't seem to appreciate that either.

Which posts? this thread is so large I'm mostly only reading posts that quoted me. Sorry for ignoring most of the thread, it's mostly all trolling.

If you have an argument, present it too me, don't be an ass about it.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Where does it say Modern Warfare: Reflex in the earnings call?

"out selling last year's Modern Warfare 2 as Wii skew for the comparable period"

The only Modern Warfare for Wii skew was Reflex.

 

[OrangeJulius]

You post that bullshit and I'm being edgy? LOL

Why is it bullshit? Discuss. Don't just post hit and run three word sentences to start shit and then bail out.

 

[Brera]

Why do people say this? He's just Iwata's puppet.

Reggie is in charge of selling WiiU in the US.

If he was good at his job, he would be able to sell this shit. Like he managed with the Wii.

He's fucked up because the casuals don't give and shit and his bullshit doesn't work with the core.

WiiU is struggling as it was designed for what Nintendo thought the core gamers wanted. Unfortunantly, they gave us what Sony and MS gave us 7 years ago...shit moves on yo!

 

[SMT]

Why do people say this? He's just Iwata's puppet.

People either say he's a puppet or he's not a puppet.
If he wasn't a puppet, why can't he bring games over?
Why can't he offer us the same level of courtesy gamers in Japan get?

It's either he's a failed president, or a puppet, pick one.

 

[RM8]

Which posts? this thread is so large I'm mostly only reading posts that quoted me. Sorry for ignoring most of the thread, it's mostly all trolling.

If you have an argument, present it too me, don't be an ass about it.

The posts in this page, after yours. You're not even trying :/

 

[samman6]

I don't think the guy should be fired for the comments everyone can have an opinion. However I think the fact that a highranking senior dev has such strong vitriol for the big n shows just how much the western industry hates nintendo. You would think these people wouldn't actually care who the hardware makers are, only how good there games can be.

 

[JordoftheDead]

Advertising these games. Mentioning them on Nintendo Directs. Exclusive content. Creating situation allowing Nintendo fanboys to actually buy them. Hardware bundles with this games included.

They can, if they want.

But to advertise them for the platform a developer would already have had to commit to the resources required. They need to make a business investment, what Nintendo need to do is to provide a less financially risky proposition for developers. The industry isn't charitable.

 

[OrangeJulius]

He's fucked up because the casuals don't give and shit and his bullshit doesn't work with the core.

WiiU is struggling as it was designed for what Nintendo thought the core gamers wanted. Unfortunantly, they gave us what Sony and MS gave us 7 years ago...shit moves on yo!

Yep, this is essentially the problem with Nintendo. To sum it up, they are a day late and a dollar short.

 

[frankie_baby]

"out selling last year's Modern Warfare 2 as Wii skew for the comparable period"

The only Modern Warfare for Wii skew was Reflex.

Yes hes referring to reflex though modern warfare 3 came out on the Wii as well

 

[Rehynn]

Which posts? this thread is so large I'm mostly only reading posts that quoted me. Sorry for ignoring most of the thread, it's mostly all trolling.

If you have an argument, present it too me, don't be an ass about it.

Look at Mario games (compare NSMB with Galaxy, for example). Look at Angry Birds. Look at Wii Sports, or the Wii, for that matter. Look at CoD. Look at the Sims.

Then tell me it's always about the graphics.

And this is why underpowered (even for their time) systems like Game Boy, DS and Wii were such failures.

You do realize that Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, Mario Kart, and NSMBU completely destroy this argument, right?


And MILLIONS of people in the demographic you just described picked up these games en masse. Non-HD graphics and all.

And I appreciate your sensitivity to others' assery, but I find it ironic that you're the one categorically claiming that the Wii didn't have any good games, and dismissing anyone who says otherwise as a fanboy.