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Oh wow. You have absolutely no clue about anything if you agree with this.

First of all, Nintendo is actually making good long term business in game industry unlike basically everyone else. We are heading into a video game crash and it's not going to be pretty.

Second of all, if 3rd parties say they can't compete with Nintendo games, how could they compete with Nintendo if they went 3rd party?

Third of all, Nintendo wouldn't be Nintendo if they started whoring out their best IPs on other platforms.

So no, just no.

whoring out? isn't that a bit dramatic?

 

[Projectjustice]

Oh I've been serious about the things I've said. But the pure nerd rage and keyboard slamming by some has been very amusing. There is a difference between outright trolling and just looking for some fun.

I've been using serious arguments to have some fun, nothing wrong with that.

30+ post of nothing but goalpost moving and contradictions.

 

[Camp Lo]

Does Nintendo make movie like AAA games with huge bloated budgets? There's your answer.

So EA, one of the top tier publishers, pulled out on the only viable money maker in the foreseeable future. Well damn.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Oh please. If you've got nothing better to do than post a load of rubbish and then accuse GAF of being a 'hivemind' for reacting to that rubbish accordingly then maybe you should find something else to do when you're bored. It's not clever.

I didn't say it was clever. But I'm not going to bother trying to post rationally in a thread where everyone is just flinging shit at each other.

The holier than thou attitude isn't clever either.

 

[specialguy]

less powerful than 360 huh.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Who gives a shit, he's a software developer. Not a PR representative.

 

[Deguello]

With respect, I disagree again here. Sales aren't all about the game, and that's what we're talking about here, sales. Every year, millions and millions of people buy CoD because of the name. Those are PLAYERS buying the game because of their expectations.

Millions of people bought Wii consoles, Wii Sports, and so on after seeing Wii Sports played, having played it themselves, and then went on to buy similar software.

If we are judging the games themselves and saying that the games themselves should be the ones under scrutiny, then as great as my earlier examples, Galaxy, DKCR, etc etc, should have sold WAY WAY more than they did. But there are two different markets here.

You have casuals who helped sell nearly a hundred million Wii units, and bought up all of the casual games, yielding inflated sales numbers vs what the quality of the game itself should have actually been able to pull in...

And then you have the "hardcore" Nintendo gamer that bought the Zeldas and Donkey Kongs and XenoGajiggers. Those games sold RADICALLY less than the casual games.

So yes, I am judging the player. Angry birds is not THAT great of a game, but it's cheap, accessible, and it was popular, which only made everyone else buy it. Then it became a huge thing. The exact same thing happened with the Wii and Wii Sports, Mario Kart, and other Wii Party games. Hell, Wii Play was a ridiculously popular title. It just ALSO happened to come with a controller. Many people saw this as "buy a controller, get a cheap game to play with the fam."

Wii was a child of circumstance.

I think you may have misread my meaning. You say that the 20 million+ games are all either "multiplayer" or "party" to whit I say that there's really no distinction between the two definitions and that most of the best selling games of all time ever are multiplayer or have multiplayer modes. Saying that the games that sell are multiplayer or have multiplayer modes or have multiplayer focus says nothing of the Wii and its audience, as this is true of most software sold anywhere.

EDIT: OrangeJulius, please stop calling me part of a hivemind, unless you want another poster to "dog" you.

 

[ArtHands]

The Sonic announcements at Nintendo Direct must have pissed this engineer off pretty badly

 

[OrangeJulius]

30+ post of nothing but goalpost moving and contradictions.

Ah yes, goal post moving. This has become the new go to phrase on GAF as of late. At least it's interesting to read, unlike posters who just like to shit on others for having a difference of popular opinion. Do you have an eyerolling GIF to post too, those are super original, lol.

 

[Lambda Pie]

Does Nintendo make movie like AAA games with huge bloated budgets? There's your answer.

dude, a crash implies that no one survives the market since it collapses.

if costumers aren't willing to buy games, it doesn't matter the budget they have, the whole industry goes down the shitter, Nintendo included.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

hahahahaha

 

[MagiusNecros]

The holier than thou attitude

Well you finally admitted it. You kinda throw your shortcomings onto others. Sad.

 

[SMT]

Today is just a giant circle wank for Nintendo haters.

I look forward to the day that they not only realize that after the first few million Next gen console sales of their favorite company, it will be the same, but probably worse due to price.

Of course by then, the Wii U will likely be even more affordable, and finally have games. Just like the 3DS before it.

Where's the Vita by the way? Oh yeah, still selling like crap after almost 2 years.

Vita's been out almost 2 years? What's your definition of almost son? It's younger than 3DS. It's your fault for buying a system with no 'gaems', as they say. I suggest you refrain from making such claims when E3 is but a few nights away.

Few: in the same vein of your almost.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

I didn't say it was clever. But I'm not going to bother trying to post rationally in a thread where everyone is just flinging shit at each other.

The holier than thou attitude isn't clever either.

The name calling is not necessary. I will not respond to someone who calls names. I'm an adult, have an adult discussion or do not talk to me.

.

 

[King Boo]

so easy to hate on nintendo. it's like they have a notepad they can just copy and paste insults into their posts

 

[bernardobri]

Nobody posted this here yet? SunhiLegend created another crazy gif.

Thank you based SunhiLegend.

 

[Taurus]

So EA, one of the top tier publishers, pulled out on the only viable money maker in the foreseeable future. Well damn.

Well, how's EA doing as a company overall lately? Twice in a row worst company of America, CEO left his position, thousands of people fired during past couple of years, studios shut down left and right.

 

[SneakyStephan]

do you understand physics like at all?

Imagine you took an egg to the roof of an office building and held it over the side. The egg has a great deal of potential energy because of it's distance from the center of gravity.

Now, Imagine you dropped that egg and as it fell it was moving faster and faster. This potential energy is becoming kinetic energy.

Now, imagine that the egg hits the sidewalk, breaks open and splatters it's yolk everywhere. Now you have the Wii U. no movement, no potential.

This is so random and so funny.
Every few pages there is a real gem in this thread.

 

[teh_pwn]

Adam Orth made Microsoft look bad to Microsoft customers.

This guy is making EA look bad to Nintendo customers, a platform EA just completely dropped.

Yup. EA is going to fire a senior software engineer over a personal comment on twitter that didn't potentially reveal something unknown and negative that damages the EA brand. This is entirely different that Orth.

 

[OrangeJulius]

.

When in Rome eh Carpe?

 

[Sethos]

Ah yes, goal post moving. This has become the new go to phrase on GAF as of late. At least it's interesting to read, unlike posters who just like to shit on others for having a difference of popular opinion. Do you have an eyerolling GIF to post too, those are super original, lol.

Weren't you like "Oh I should probably stop" just 15 minutes ago? Here you are, back in gear.

 

[SRTtoZ]

I read every single page in this thread and I'm proud of it.

edit: oh shit, 2 lich kings in a row.

 

[Projectjustice]

Ah yes, goal post moving. This has become the new go to phrase on GAF as of late. At least it's interesting to read, unlike posters who just like to shit on others for having a difference of popular opinion. Do you have an eyerolling GIF to post too, those are super original, lol.

Dude you came in here trying to edujamacate us on how the industry really works since the 80s. Stop the BS. lol

 

[OrangeJulius]

Weren't you like "Oh I should probably stop" just 15 minutes ago? Here you are, back in gear.

I couldn't leave a thread that has been so much fun. I realized I was starting to take it waaaaaaay to seriously.

It's people arguing about video game companies, I mean, come on. I'm not trolling, genuinely I'm not. But I am having a good time with some of the uber serious types in this thread.

 

[jmizzal]

Except this is the first time they're losing loads of money.

Expect they are making money again based on their latest financials reports, they were only losing money due to them spending money on R&D, try again.

 

[Radec]

Dat first post!

 

[sephi22]

I think 'hivemind' posts are frowned upon.

 

[Comandr]

I think you may have misread my meaning. You say that the 20 million+ games are all either "multiplayer" or "party" to whit I say that there's really no distinction between the two definitions and that most of the best selling games of all time ever are multiplayer or have multiplayer modes. Saying that the games that sell are multiplayer or have multiplayer modes or have multiplayer focus says nothing of the Wii and its audience, as this is true of most software sold anywhere.

Haha. I apologize, I thought I made my examples pretty clear when I mentioned Smash Brothers. Let's say you're a 30-something family man, no kids, but you see this new sensation taking off, and you want to try it for your next book club or necromancers meeting or whatever. So you pick up a Wii and you're looking at other titles that you could play with your friends/coven. With limited experience with video games, you are MUCH more likely to purchase Wii Sports Resort, an extension of the game that came packed in... And other simple PARTY titles.. Like Mario Party or Wii Play (hey, it even comes with a controller!) But games like Smash Bros Brawl, or CoD: Black Ops (that was multiplayer too wasn't it?) have a different vibe to them. Those games look hard. So you don't buy those, despite them being good MULTIPLAYER games, they are not friendly PARTY games.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Dude you came in here trying to edujamacate us on how the industry really works since the 80s. Stop the BS. lol

Yes, and here you are interacting with me, what does that say about you? I'm not edujamacating anyone, you can't teach people on an internet forum, they've already decided their opinion and yours before you've typed a word.

 

[Taurus]

dude, a crash implies that no one survives the market since it collapses.

if costumers aren't willing to buy games, it doesn't matter the budget they have, the whole industry goes down the shitter, Nintendo included.

The market collapses because there's not enough people to buy your high-budgeted games. The business model is unsustainable. The crash will happen for different reasons than 1983.

 

[Camp Lo]

Careful Comandr the hive mind might make you the new junior to kick around if you keep posting sound arguments backed by well thought examples.

There is no hive mind out to get you or any other junior. Nonsense will get called out on all levels. Now you're coming off rather full of yourself which will definitely get called out.

 

[Sethos]

edit: oh shit, 2 lich kings in a row.

Oh shit!

I couldn't leave a thread that has been so much fun. I realized I was starting to take it waaaaaaay to seriously.

It's people arguing about video game companies, I mean, come on. I'm not trolling, genuinely I'm not. But I am having a good time with some of the uber serious types in this thread.

I love how you want to play the "Everyone else are taking it so seriously, I'm just playing it cool brah' " when you are vigorously arguing left and right with the occasional dig at people. Very smooth.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

so easy to hate on nintendo. it's like they have a notepad they can just copy and paste insults into their posts

Nah it's fairly easy to do off the cuff.

 

[Brera]

I knew this day would come one day.

Finally I've been vindicated and GAF now sees that I've been speaking the truth for the past 9 months!

I bought a WiiU day 0. I always buy Nintendo day 0 but the WiiU was for scalping but it backfired and it's been a slippery slope since.

No one wants WiiU. Not even Miyamoto.

 

[Projectjustice]

Yes, and here you are interacting with me, what does that say about you? I'm not edujamacating anyone, you can't teach people on an internet forum, they've already decided their opinion and yours before you've typed a word.

Im here cause this thread is epic and you are adding to it. Please dont stop posting tonight untill my GF gets here.

 

[P90]

The funny thing is that the WiiU has no first, second or third party support in the near future that impresses me. Then again, EA has nothing worth buying either. EA sports engineer gets Pyrrhic victory?

 

[PhantomR]

Except this is the first time they're losing loads of money.

$80 million net annual profit is losing loads of money?


The 3DS started to become profitable last summer and Nintendo has been making money since then.

 

[Pedrito]

Why are people so happy when a big company in the industry is having touble, be it Nintendo, Sony, MS, Square, etc?

It only means less games, less jobs, less ideas, less competition, less variety...

Every one loses, really.

 

[Tutomos]

If somebody gave me a shitty tool for my job I'll be mad too.

 

[Gummb]

Tenses, bro.

He still makes a profit, is still tied to the success of Nintendo and still has the right...

 

[Brera]

The funny thing is that the WiiU has no first, second or third party support in the near future that impresses me. Then again, EA has nothing worth buying either. EA sports engineer gets Pyrrhic victory?

Hey, If Nintendo can't be bothered to support their own console, why should anyone else? Iwata even said earlier that 3DS is their priority....

 

[OrangeJulius]

There is no hive mind out to get you or any other junior. Nonsense will get called out on all levels. Now you're coming off rather full of yourself which will definitely get called out.

Oh shit!



I love how you want to play the "Everyone else are taking it so seriously, I'm just playing it cool brah' " when you are vigorously arguing left and right with the occasional dig at people. Very smooth.

I'm not playing it cool either, sorry you feel that way. You just can't win in a game like this, so what's the point in trying, ya know?

I'm not full of myself, in fact it's the opposite. I quit arguing with everyone because I realized I couldn't win, I stated my opinions......again, and again and again mind you and everyone repeated ad nauseaum.

It's a back and forth that never ends, may as well just have fun with it.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Me, personally, am not buying the idea that the Wii-U is doomed. So long as it has enough quality titles, I think it will be fine. I'd be dishonest, though, if I didn't admit that the Wii appears as if it could be in a situation where things get out of hand.

Still, that being a possibility and it actually happening are two entirely different things.

 

[Projectjustice]

I knew this day would come one day.

Finally I've been vindicated and GAF now sees that I've been speaking the truth for the past 9 months!

I bought a WiiU day 0. I always buy Nintendo day 0 but the WiiU was for scalping but it backfired and it's been a slippery slope since.

No one wants WiiU. Not even Miyamoto.

hahahah no you havent.

 

[freddy]

I couldn't leave a thread that has been so much fun. I realized I was starting to take it waaaaaaay to seriously.

It's people arguing about video game companies, I mean, come on. I'm not trolling, genuinely I'm not. But I am having a good time with some of the uber serious types in this thread.

Hilarious.

 

[Schnozberry]

No one wants WiiU. Not even Miyamoto.

Dat GAF hyperbole troll is on double time today.

 

[P90]

Hey, If Nintendo can't be bothered to support their own console, why should anyone else? Iwata even said earlier that 3DS is their priority....

I agree. Why should anybody make games for the WiiU when Nintendo can't be bothered to make anything for it? Sounds a lot like the Vita... Except the Vita has some awesome ports/remakes.

 

[OrangeJulius]

Im here cause this thread is epic and you are adding to it. Please dont stop posting tonight untill my GF gets here.

Is this where I post the congrats on the sex bro GIF? Are you gonna go out and drink with your lady friend and plow her vigorously while we nerds bicker?

Get over yourself, lol.

 

[Comandr]

Me, personally, am not buying the idea that the Wii-U is doomed. So long as it has enough quality titles, I think it will be fine. I'd be dishonest, though, if I didn't admit that the Wii appears as if it could be in a situation where things get out of hand.

Still, that being a possibility and it actually happening are two entirely different things.

Did you just call the Wii U, the Wii? D=

 

[Deguello]

Haha. I apologize, I thought I made my examples pretty clear when I mentioned Smash Brothers. Let's say you're a 30-something family man, no kids, but you see this new sensation taking off, and you want to try it for your next book club or necromancers meeting or whatever. So you pick up a Wii and you're looking at other titles that you could play with your friends/coven. With limited experience with video games, you are MUCH more likely to purchase Wii Sports Resort, an extension of the game that came packed in... And other simple PARTY titles.. Like Mario Party or Wii Play (hey, it even comes with a controller!) But games like Smash Bros Brawl, or CoD: Black Ops (that was multiplayer too wasn't it?) have a different vibe to them. Those games look hard. So you don't buy those, despite them being good MULTIPLAYER games, they are not friendly PARTY games.

I've heard Smash Bros. be referred to as a "Party game" before, usually to question it's merits as a "legitimate" fighting game. I believe it is also the best selling fighting game of all time too. I have also seen and been to parties where they played Smash Bros. Sometimes WITH Wii Sports.

So I am confused as to what the distinction is between "Multiplayer" and "Party" is. Would not any 4-player game require, say, a "party" of 4 to play? Is it not a party game if they all have stern faces and repeated internet memes? If a little 7-year-old girl is present, does the substitute "party genre" apply?