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[Gemüsepizza]

Yes it pretty much does. That is how memory is used for graphics processing. You don't use 8GB per frame. What durango would do in esram, PS4 would use the same BW to GDDR5. One system is much more straight forward being the major difference. Look at how edram was used on 360.

And you don't use only 32MB per frame (not talking about framebuffer).

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Where's the sequel, MS.

WHERE'S THE GODDAMN SEQUEL????

Saints Row 4.

 

[TangerineCloud]

Was Crackdown 2 any good? I remember sorta enjoying the demo despite being really pissed off by some aspects.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

we had millions rumors on sites before superdae leaks

pointing at a uberpowerfull xbox....kidbeta...

"16 core state of the art cpu"
"dual gpu"
"is like two pcs taped together"
from amd "avatar graphics" and blablalballalab
this sites was inventing?


then superdae came

But that was just accurately describing the early dev kits is what I understand. Not that these tech sites seem to understand this it seems. Dual Xeon CPU ( 1 for system, 1 for SHAPE sound chip) 16GB RAM (2x retail)

The dual GPU is a bit vague to be honest and I'm not sure if that is true...

These sites just heard that the dev kits had 16 cores (dual Xeons) and put 2+2 together (16 cores + IBM ) and got 5.

 

[derFeef]

Saints Row 4.

While Saints Row 4 looks heavily CD inspired, there is still polish and finesse to the movement in the Crackdown series that no other open world sandbox games has managed to trump yet.

 

[SpartanN92]

Was Crackdown 2 any good? I remember sorta enjoying the demo despite being really pissed off by some aspects.

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

[foogles]

Those gifs make me consider buying Crackdown 2... how does it compare to the first one again ? I remember trying the demo of CD2, but not liking it for some reason. Maybe the zombie-guys-at-night thing.

Crackdown 2 just tried a little too hard. I felt they added a lot of things that took away from the simpler fun of the first game.

 

[TheKayle]

But that was just accurately describing the early dev kits is what I understand. Not that these tech sites seem to understand this it seems. Dual Xeon CPU ( 1 for system, 1 for SHAPE sound chip) 16GB RAM (2x retail)

The dual GPU is a bit vague to be honest and I'm not sure if that is true...

These sites just heard that the dev kits had 16 cores (dual Xeons) and put 2+2 together (16 cores + IBM ) and got 5.

what i was just trying to saying is...that vgleaks diagram could be true but is just a leak..like the yukon one....no one of the websites that are using that diagram (edge kotaku vgleaks) saying that is 100% the future xbox....

while here kidbeta was saying the opposite...that is 100% the next xbox all the other rumors r fake useless...or coming from fanboys

im saying vgleaks diagram ...COULD be the next xbox ..as it could be another design...that we had never see before

i dont know if kidbeta is a dev and have some real info or whatever ...IMO (i repeat IMO) for how he act i think he just want that the xbox will be underpowered than the ps4

 

[KidBeta]

Where's the sequel, MS.

WHERE'S THE GODDAMN SEQUEL????

Jesus christ please tell me this is on PC.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Dat PGR porn...

 

[DC R1D3R]

Those gifs make me consider buying Crackdown 2... how does it compare to the first one again ? I remember trying the demo of CD2, but not liking it for some reason. Maybe the zombie-guys-at-night thing.

Did not like.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Those gifs make me consider buying Crackdown 2... how does it compare to the first one again ? I remember trying the demo of CD2, but not liking it for some reason. Maybe the zombie-guys-at-night thing.

It's good, not great, just good. I'd recommend picking it up, we can get some 4 player action going, that's really the only way it should be played.

Was Crackdown 2 any good? I remember sorta enjoying the demo despite being really pissed off by some aspects.

It's good, but pales in comparison to the first game. The 4 player co-op is a very welcome addition as is the chopper, the wing suit and the additional powers, but I'll never forgive the removal of transforming vehicles.

Jesus christ please tell me this is on PC.

I don't believe it is.

 

[Reiko]

Dat PGR porn...

Their attention to environment detail is unmatched. Will Drive Club take the throne?

 

[oVerde]

Does including CoD to the show is the way MS planned to get some Sony Gamers to watch their reveal?

If so, I wonder how near to the closing it will be shown.

Their attention to environment detail is unmatched. Will Drive Club take the throne?

Pretty safe to say any next gen game will steal the thunder just cause you know, being next gen.

 

[metareferential]

Their attention to environment detail is unmatched. Will Drive Club take the throne?

Sure.

Until PGR5 comes out, that is.

 

[Reiko]

Sure.

Until PGR5 comes out, that is.

Heh.

 

[danwarb]

And you don't use only 32MB per frame.

But most BW is spent reading/writing to as small an amount, hence esram being an option. It doesn't cost much to move stuff from there to system memory either. This will not be some huge handicap.

 

[derFeef]

I want a new CD so bad.

 

[KidBeta]

But most BW is spent reading/writing to as small an amount, hence esram being option. It doesn't cost much to move stuff from there to sytem memory either. This will not be some huge handicap.

It costs the exact amount as it would to normally move it to the video card. But after that you can access it cheaply from the eSRAM.

 

[iMax]

Jesus christ please tell me this is on PC.

.

 

[Mario007]

Does including CoD to the show is the way MS planned to get some Sony Gamers to watch their reveal?

If so, I wonder how near to the closing it will be shown.


Pretty safe to say any next gen game will steal the thunder just cause you know, being next gen.

I think it's not the best choice to demo a cross-gen game which doesn't really blow anything away graphics-wise during a reveal of the next-gen console. I mean seeing the PC footage of COD sure is nice and looks better than consoles but that's about it. Compare that with the likes of Killzone or even some of MS's internally developed games it will just eat up time while doing nothing really for the next-gen hype. It's like demoing FIFA at Playstation meeting.

 

[VE3TRO]

I think we need to play some 4 player GAF sessions of Crackdown 2.

 

[derFeef]

I think we need to play some 4 player GAF sessions of Crackdown 2.

Mayhem!

 

[Captain Tuttle]

I haven't checked in for a couple of days, nothing new?

Those Crackdown 2 gifs are awesome, going to pick that up today if I can find it.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I think we need to play some 4 player GAF sessions of Crackdown 2.

YES!

Mayhem!

Oh man, so many memories. We need to set up a session at some point.

I haven't checked in for a couple of days, nothing new?

Those Crackdown 2 gifs are awesome, going to pick that up today if I can find it.

Not much.

Some rumours about a few select exclusive titles on Durango. Dead Rising 3, Hawken, LoL, title from Respawn and possibly an appearance from Insomniac games at the reveal or E3.

Again, these are only rumour.

 

[metareferential]

I've played countless hours on the first Crackdown, yet 2 didn't feel right. I don't know.

 

[FallbackPants]

Which makes my point even clearer. Xbox 360 is supposedly slightly more capable than PS3, judging by comparisons and articles over the past years, but still PS3 managed to get equal or better looking games. Now that was when the PS3 hardware was equal to or inferior than 360. If PS4 will be more powerful than NextBox, then that gap will be greater. To put it in somewhat symbolic form:

If PS3 <= Xbox 360 results into PS3 graphics >= 360 graphics
Then PS4>NextBox results into PS4 >>Nextbox graphics.

I know this is like four pages old now but whatever, I've been busy playing bioshock. But this is pretty much entirely untrue. PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Where in god's name did you get the idea it was the other way round? 360 is easier to program for, but not as powerful.

Also there are some amazing looking PS3 games, but I don't think its clear cut that its games are universally better looking. Go and play Gears Judgement. It looks incredible. Or Halo 4.

But really how did we get back to bullshit stat rumour arguments? We're so close. Don't derail it now. Especially if it means giving credibility to vgleaks who are just a rumour aggregator. They don't do investigations of their own, they don't have sources, they just find other people's rumours and put them on their site

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I've played countless hours on the first Crackdown, yet 2 didn't feel right. I don't know.

The first was a labour of love and given as much time as it needed, the second was essentially a rush job with about 8 months development time.

All credit to Ruffian, they did an amazing job. I hope they get to work on a third title and are given enough time to make it a worthy successor to the first title.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Think I'm gonna replay Crackdown 2 soon.

 

[specialguy]

It costs the exact amount as it would to normally move it to the video card. But after that you can access it cheaply from the eSRAM.

you can generate some things directly in the esram too according to a b3d post (i did not know this)

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Not much.

Some rumours about a few select exclusive titles on Durango. Dead Rising 3, Hawken, LoL, title from Respawn and possibly an appearance from Insomniac games at the reveal or E3.

Again, these are only rumour.

Thanks buddy.

Getting close!

 

[metareferential]

The first was a labour of love and given as much time as it needed, the second was essentially a rush job with about 8 months development time.

All credit to Ruffian, they did an amazing job. I hope they get to work on a third title and are given enough time to make it a worthy successor to the first title.

Yes, it did feel like and expansion pack rather then a true sequel.

I really hope next-gen can bring a new Crackdown: the first one remains one of the highlights of the generation for me.

Playing an open world next-gen game co-op over live with a friend is something I'd never thought I'd do and it completely blew me away. Such a great game.

Dat orb addiction.

 

[LastNac]

I think that the majority of people on here just really like Sony.

I'd argue that's true for most of the Internet as far as the "hardcore" are concerned.

 

[Reiko]

I know this is like four pages old now but whatever, I've been busy playing bioshock. But this is pretty much entirely untrue. PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Where in god's name did you get the idea it was the other way round? 360 is easier to program for, but not as powerful.

PS3 - More Powerful CPU
360 - More Powerful GPU

Despite having a weaker GPU (RSX) The CPU in the PS3 (Cell) could offload graphical tasks to make up for it's deficiencies.

Same games optimized for the Cell also could be easily ported over to the Xbox 360 since the GPU is powerful enough to handle those tasks. (See Battlefield 3 development on consoles) Also there are quirks that the Cell could do things better than Xenos and vice versa. It's basically a wash.

 

[something fishy]

Seems a lot of effort to talk down any chance of it being better than rumoured,

Can't we just wait? If its crap its crap but if it is better than thought then people will have put all this effort into nothing,

 

[oVerde]

I think it's not the best choice to demo a cross-gen game which doesn't really blow anything away graphics-wise during a reveal of the next-gen console. I mean seeing the PC footage of COD sure is nice and looks better than consoles but that's about it. Compare that with the likes of Killzone or even some of MS's internally developed games it will just eat up time while doing nothing really for the next-gen hype. It's like demoing FIFA at Playstation meeting.

Kindly disagree, there's no Unknown new IP who would bring those long term playstation players attention to the 21st show, neither MSFT's exclusive games sequels.

 

[Vico]

I've never been interested in Crackdown, but these gifs look fun.

 

[dragonelite]

Aah wtf little shitty brother stole my CD 2 copy.
Fucking acid pissing idiot he always does this shit when he is over..... :'(

 

[Doffen]

#Crackdown3DaysUntilXboxReveal

 

[The Living Tribunal]

Those gifs... A new Crackdown would be hype.

Saints Row 4.

 

[D4Danger]

I've never been interested in Crackdown, but these gifs look fun.

they don't even show the best part of the game: Orb hunting!

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I decided to take Tuesday off from work. I needed to take a vacation day anyway, might as well drown myself in the HYPE.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Crackdown 1 was so much better than CD2. Shame so many dolts traded CD1 in after the Halo 3 beta, especially since Crackdown 1 was the better game than Halo 3 (yup I went there).

Interesting how some people become tech-experts over night Not especially you but also many other users on various forums on the net.

Not that you need much technical knowledge, that's kind of common sense really. It's literally impossible for DDR3 to shuffle data at 170GB/s just because another set of memory can. If it were as simple as adding low latency embedded memory to the mix, then every manufacturer would be doing it. In fact if it were possible, AMD would not have wasted time on creating the GDDR5 spec in the first place. Nor would JEDEC be wasting time on creating DDR4.

I was in the Sony thread before and during the reveal. There was a lot less infighting there.

They came to peace with both Sony and the specs ages ago. Many MS fans seem to despise MS yet still remain loyal to them, they believe MS has abandoned them and forgotten their roots. I'm not sure why they feel that way exactly, MS has been publishing excellent titles and doing great updates to the Xbox 360 and it's ecosystem. Whiners gonna whine, don't worry as soon as MS does some "good" they'll wipe their tears away and tell you how they never doubted MS. It's like Stockholm syndrome or something.

 

[Sydle]

*those CD2 GIFs* So now I'm going to have to fire that up again. Hope there is a sequel.

I have Tuesday off from work just for this reveal. Hype.

 

[iMax]

#XboxReveal

 

[Sorc3r3r]

I liked CD too, it was really fun.
But never bought the 2nd one the reviews made that decision from me.

But a 3rd one could be pretty great.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

I liked CD too, it was really fun.
But never bought the 2nd one the reviews made that decision from me.

But a 3rd one could be pretty great.

Because I'm such a good person, I'll let you in on the secret of Fun:

Spoiler

never trust game reviews.

 

[EagleEyes]

I think it's not the best choice to demo a cross-gen game which doesn't really blow anything away graphics-wise during a reveal of the next-gen console. I mean seeing the PC footage of COD sure is nice and looks better than consoles but that's about it. Compare that with the likes of Killzone or even some of MS's internally developed games it will just eat up time while doing nothing really for the next-gen hype. It's like demoing FIFA at Playstation meeting.

Are you kidding me? CoD appeals to the masses unlike Killzone. Microsoft is going for mega exposure for this reveal and what better way to do it then the most popular franchise in videogames. CoD is a brand that is more popular on Xbox and Microsoft wants to keep it that way.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

what i was just trying to saying is...that vgleaks diagram could be true but is just a leak..like the yukon one....no one of the websites that are using that diagram (edge kotaku vgleaks) saying that is 100% the future xbox....

while here kidbeta was saying the opposite...that is 100% the next xbox all the other rumors r fake useless...or coming from fanboys

im saying vgleaks diagram ...COULD be the next xbox ..as it could be another design...that we had never see before

i dont know if kidbeta is a dev and have some real info or whatever ...IMO (i repeat IMO) for how he act i think he just want that the xbox will be underpowered than the ps4

We all have our preferences. I have been a been a PlayStation fan from the beginning. Nintendo before that and Amiga/ST before that.

Back to Xbox specs.

I think outside clock bumps and RAM upgrades, what VGleaks/insiders have leaked is what we'll get.

I base this on history. The 360 had much more detailed specs leak 18 months before launch and apart from the RAM being upgraded last minute, the specs for some things went down (eg: CPU 3.5+>3.2Ghz).

Going by the February 2012 Durango dev summit (21 months before launch) the specs given to devs there and where the VGleaks/Aegies/insiders documents come from, is likely what we'll get.

If Microsoft somehow manage to come up with a relatively massive upgrade on Tuesday without a single leak of it...? I'll be the first to give them a Golf clap.

 

[metareferential]

Are you kidding me? CoD appeals to the masses unlike Killzone. Microsoft is going for mega exposure for this reveal and what better way to do it then the most popular franchise in videogames. CoD is a brand that is more popular on Xbox and Microsoft wants to keep it that way.

They should pull a Sony and show some CG-trailer that blows anything out of the water xD