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[RayMaker]

Worst demo stations ever.

Yeah at my local game it only has rayman legends to play, and it still has a video of aliens:CM and a icon as a future wiiu title,lol.

As for this thread the spin doctors are hard at work,.

but no matter how you spin , not having EA make games for a console is by no stretch of the imagination a good thing.

Without the casual draw of the wiimote and competing casual draws (which may be better then the gamepad in drawing in the casuals) from PS4 and kinect I really dont see how the wiiu can remain relevant, apart from the few that really love Nintendo franchises.

 

[marc^o^]

Yeah at my local game it only has rayman legends to play, and it still has a video of aliens:CM and a icon as a future wiiu title,lol.

As for this thread the spin doctors are hard at work,.

but no matter how you spin , not having EA make games for a console is by no stretch of the imagination a good thing.

Without the casual draw of the wiimote and competing casual draws (which may be better then the gamepad in drawing in the casuals) from PS4 and kinect I really dont see how the wiiu can remain relevant, apart from the 150 millions who have a DS, the 100 millions who have a Wii and the 30 millions who have a 3DS - most of them forming this group called Nintendo customers.

Fixed.

 

[RayMaker]

Fixed.

I was talking about the WiiU not the 3DS and wii,

the wii and 3DS are very different and were/are in different market conditions.

 

[OzPinoy]

As for this thread the spin doctors are hard at work,

Same could be said from you.... Spinning and regurgitating that same old horse sh!t with the same old asinine negative connotations. These negative naysayers are really sounding like broken old record harping the same old sh!t over and over and over and over again.

As for this EA fiasco, they just lay off 900 employee just before announcing that new LA star war studio. The state of company doesn't look very bright. Be wary EA be wary karma might bite your arse so hard one day.

 

[TacticalFox88]

DS, Wii, and PS2 says hello.

What?

Do you have ANY idea how utterly MASSIVE the leap the Ps2 was from the Ps1?

Good fucking lord.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-18-ubisoft-reaffirms-its-faith-in-nintendo?



Noone making a thread for that? Or did it already drop to page 50.

Stop being a baby and create a thread if you want.

 

[RayMaker]

Same could be said from you.... Spinning and regurgitating that same old horse sh!t with the same old asinine negative connotations. These negative naysayers are really sounding like broken old record harping the same old sh!t over and over and over and over again.

As for this EA fiasco, they just lay off 900 employee just before announcing that new LA star war studio. The state of company doesn't look very bright. Be wary EA be wary karma might bite your arse so hard one day.

So saying ''a major game pub is not making games for a system, is a bad thing'' is spinning the truth... Right


could you explain how so?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Yes they are. The focus on high production values and realistic graphics leading to high budgets made publishers avoid risk and innovation. Which leads to stale, cookiecutter, cinematic gameplay in a lot of cases. I know they're not literally mutually exclusive, but most of the times the games with simple graphics are more pure fun. (Minecraft is a good example)

This just in, Atari 2600 has more 'pure fun' games than any Nintendo system ever released.

 

[metalslimer]

Hmmm so now that ninteendo has entered the hd age its okay to have hd graphics? So more powerful systems wont kill gaming

 

[prag16]

This just in, Atari 2600 has more 'pure fun' games than any Nintendo system ever released.

Way to avoid a serious discussion by going way to the other extreme.

 

[fallingdove]

As for this EA fiasco, they just lay off 900 employee just before announcing that new LA star war studio. The state of company doesn't look very bright. Be wary EA be wary karma might bite your arse so hard one day.

Karma doesn't exist in the games industry. Otherwise the big 3 would have all been out of business long ago.

At any rate, EA probably made the right decision. Based on the sales numbers EA generally sees on Nintendo home consoles, in their current financial state, continuing to publish on the WiiU wouldn't have done them any favors.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Way to avoid a serious discussion by going way to the other extreme.

DP

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Way to avoid a serious discussion by going way to the other extreme.

Serious discussion when someone makes that argument? Yea, ok buddy.

I'd love to know how one measures 'pure fun'. So is there fun thats not pure? Is certain fun more pure than others? Please do tell. Apparently when I have been playing a game like Bioshock Infinite, BF3, BLOPS 2 I wasnt having pure fun.

 

[DMczaf]

But Iwata said 3rd parties will "regret" not supporting the Wii U early on. He's out for blood this time, not money.

It's pretty obvious Iwata isn't out for money after looking at Nintendo's financial report.

 

[marc^o^]

I was talking about the WiiU not the 3DS and wii,

the wii and 3DS are very different and were/are in different market conditions.

I don't believe it's that different. I believe people buy Nintendo machines for Nintendo games, whether it's on a DS, Wii or 3DS. And they expect price to entry to be low, because they consider Nintendo to be a toy company.

No Nintendo brand released in 6 months was a bad idea. This is about to be fixed <= important sentence to envision Wii U's recovery.

Nintendo brands + a price cut = yeah why not, Nintendo customers should jump in.

 

[Jokes and Riddles]

In all seriousness, what games did EA back full force with the Wii?

Most games I can think of off the top of my head were obviously scaled down ports or shovelware. If I'm not mistaken, EA sports Active is their best selling title on the Wii.

Maybe EA should do a better job at supplying quality games to a Nintendo system if they wish to see returns.

 

[prag16]

In all seriousness, what games did EA back full force with the Wii?

Most games I can think of off the top of my head were obviously scaled down ports or shovelware. If I'm not mistaken, EA sports Active is their best selling title on the Wii.

Maybe EA should do a better job at supplying quality games to a Nintendo system if they wish to see returns.

Same deal with their Wii U offerings. Their efforts got the sales they deserved. At least Criterion tried. Hopefully they get out from under EA some day.

 

[Durante]

Hmmm so now that ninteendo has entered the hd age its okay to have hd graphics? So more powerful systems wont kill gaming

Isn't the fate of the Wii U so far proof positive that HD graphics do kill gaming?

 

[fallingdove]

Yes they are. The focus on high production values and realistic graphics leading to high budgets made publishers avoid risk and innovation. Which leads to stale, cookiecutter, cinematic gameplay in a lot of cases. I know they're not literally mutually exclusive, but most of the times the games with simple graphics are more pure fun. (Minecraft is a good example)

I don't know how accurate your statement Sure there are stale experiences created by copycat publishers trying to capitalize on success and I won't deny that sequelitis is not a very real thing in the industry, but there is plenty of innovation and variety in AAA games out there.

Innovation and strong gameplay are not exclusive to Nintendo. In fact, I would argue that because Nintendo studios haven't historically focused on graphics and cinematic story telling, they have been left behind in that regard and have been forced to focus on gameplay to make up for short comings. There is a reason why link still does not have a voice.

 

[RayMaker]

I don't believe it's that different. I believe people buy Nintendo machines for Nintendo games, whether it's on a DS, Wii or 3DS. And they expect price to entry to be low, because they consider Nintendo to be a toy company.

No Nintendo brand released in 6 months was a bad idea. This is about to be fixed <= important sentence to envision Wii U's recovery.

Nintendo brands + a price cut = yeah why not, Nintendo customers should jump in.

What you just described is what happened to the gamecube.

So if your saying the WiiU Will reach about 25mill sales because of its loyal fabase then yes I agree.

 

[LuchaShaq]

Probably partly true, but the lower res was needed (there're already visible compression, and they wouldn't have such a low-lag wireless display at a higher resolution) and personnally, IR barrier > resistive > induction > capacitive for this kind of device (but I easily reckon it's a matter of taste).

There's no excuse for the battery life, especially seing third-party offering with higher battery life... even if with the craddle, I've yet to be bothered by the battery life myself.

I don't care why, the end result is such a low res screen that it is useless (off tv play) for it's one interesting feature outside of a 2nd screen map.

 

[FiveMinuteHero]

I am a Wii U owner (slow clap!). My mistake was not buying one, but buying one on launch (nothing to play after 6 months). Right now it sits under the TV doing nothing but collecting dust and attracting cat hair. Eventually though, I will play the games I bought it for... Nintendo games. So, from my point of view I do not really care if third party support sucks, I own a PS3 and will buy PS4/NeXtBox eventually.

Obviously, if Nintendo decided to go third party it would mean I save some money on hardware, but I guess you cannot have everything in life.

 

[reddwarf42]

Isn't the fate of the Wii U so far proof positive that HD graphics do kill gaming?

The Wii U is getting killed by lack of games and market confusion not HD gaming specifically. That does not mean that HD gaming isn't partly to blame. Japanese companies seem to have struggled with the HD transition to be sure and whether HD games are even financially sustainable is still a question to be sure.

 

[nubbe]

It's pretty obvious Iwata isn't out for money after looking at Nintendo's financial report.

that's a zinger

 

[FrozenCell]

with all the money DS & Wii printed for Nintendo, why didn't they use any of it to make Wii U half decent?

 

[marc^o^]

What you just described is what happened to the gamecube.

So if your saying the WiiU Will reach about 25mill sales because of its loyal fabase then yes I agree.

Look at what happen after the GC for Nintendo (with about the same tech). I don't know if Nintendo would be that dissastified with a GC level of success, as long as they hook such a number of people on their social network, and increase their digital margins, while not suffering from piracy.

Of course, with +100 millions people buying their software brands these 10 last years, there's always hope Wii U can still pull better numbers than GC. And GC didn't have the GamePad as an extra incentive.

All hypothesis are still opened. It all depends on what sacrifice Nintendo will be willing to make on price. I say they need to pull a MS/Sony big initial loss play.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

with all the money DS & Wii printed for Nintendo, why didn't they use any of it to make Wii U half decent?

Pease understand.

 

[Margalis]

I don't care why, the end result is such a low res screen that it is useless (off tv play) for it's one interesting feature outside of a 2nd screen map.

Lol.

The res is higher than that of a lot of high profile Vita games.

 

[bomb]

So the puppet had to delete his tweets. Ha, just a pawn. Do you really have a meaningful opinion if someone can just tell you not to voice it?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Lol.

The res is higher than that of a lot of high profile Vita games.

While he was wrong with that statement, he is right in saying the quality of the gamepad scren is absolute shit.

 

[Dave Meltzer]

So the puppet had to delete his tweets. Ha, just a pawn. Do you really have a meaningful opinion if someone can just tell you not to voice it?

Sadly thanks to the over reactions of fanboys on the Internet having an opinion can be a dangerous thing for your employment.

 

[cand]

Or... maybe we can all wait and see what happens? 3DS had a ton of bad press too and when the games came, it took off. And with Pokémon the thing will explode. Funny part, EA support for the 3DS is awful. So, since their partnerships brings good exclusive games for the Wii U, I'm ok with not receiving a Fifa title that I would not buy anyways.

All the other EA titles I care like Mass Effect or Need for Speed, I can play in my PC with better performance.

We really have to discuss that Wii U sucks right now every time someone posts something negative? I mean, with the same arguments, all over again?

 

[SeanR1221]

Or... maybe we can all wait and see what happens? 3DS had a ton of bad press too and when the games came, it took off. And with Pokémon the thing will explode. Funny part, EA support for the 3DS is awful. So, since their partnerships brings good exclusive games for the Wii U, I'm ok with not receiving a Fifa title that I would not buy anyways.

All the other EA titles I care like Mass Effect or Need for Speed, I can play in my PC with better performance.

We really have to discuss that Wii U sucks right now every time someone posts something negative? I mean, with the same arguments, all over again?

Comparing consoles to handhelds isn't a great idea.

 

[marc^o^]

Comparing consoles to handhelds isn't a great idea.

Same brand customers.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

My God this thread is incredible. I like nintendos games and all but seeing how much some of you hate/love publicly traded companies is just.......man lol.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Same brand customers.

Same brand third party support?
Same success?
Same pricing for hardware/software?

Nope.

 

[LuchaShaq]

Lol.

The res is higher than that of a lot of high profile Vita games.

Simple math.

Vita 220 ppi

wiiU 158 ppi


38% difference is huge.


Also the vita has nothing to do with the wiiU outside of both selling horrendously.

 

[marc^o^]

Same brand third party support?
Same success?
Same pricing for hardware/software?

Nope.

Same brand first party support.

I commented on price.

DS = 1,5X Wii so same success is a nope. Still, same customers.

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

Why does he after to act like a professional, more people should be honest and not go with whatever will cause less attention, if it goes against what they believe.

If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck chances are it's a duck.

People worry more about hurting someones feelings then telling the truth.

The Wii U should be the final nail in the coffin for Nintendo, then it's Mario on everything.

Because he's in a senior role in a large company. I work for a large children's hospital, and were not even allowed to drink alcohol with our work badge on. The company is trying to portray an image and having an employee run off at the mouth is not a good thing.

 

[Diablos54]

Sadly thanks to the over reactions of fanboys on the Internet having an opinion can be a dangerous thing for your employment.

Cause fanboys are the only people who have overreacted about this issue, right?

This thread is a complete clusterfuck full of fanboys and trolls trying to one up each other, and the odd person making a good point. It's amazing, E3 shall be glorious this year!

 

[SeanR1221]

Same brand customers.

What? No.

You really can't compare the two.

 

[marc^o^]

What? No.

You really can't compare the two.

Yes you can, I just did.

 

[SeanR1221]

Yes you can, I just did.

Derp!

Great argument. Yes, 3ds is doing just great without EA. wait for pokemons. Wii u will explode.

 

[OrangeJulius]

This thread is beyond glorious. I can't believe it's still going. I have about 8-10 pages to read so I'm not caught up. Are we still bickering about Nintendo releasing outdated hardware with a couple first party titles a year and calling it a business stratetgy?

Or have we moved on to something else?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

This thread is beyond glorious. I can't believe it's still going. I have about 8-10 pages to read so I'm not caught up. Are we still bickering about Nintendo releasing outdated hardware with a couple first party titles a year and calling it a business stratetgy?

Or have we moved on to something else?

Now there is a discussion whether games that are reality based and graphically impressive offer the same amount of 'pure fun' as games with simple graphics.

Some say no.

 

[marc^o^]

Derp!

Great argument. Yes, 3ds is doing just great without EA. wait for pokemons. Wii u will explode.

Did you read my previous posts? It didn't sound like this poor caricature. You should try giving your own arguments so that we can have a valuable discussion.

 

[Polari]

This kind of attitude displayed is common among Western developers. The thing is, this bias didn't come out of nowhere, it came about because Nintendo fucked up and has failed to maintain good relationships with Western developers for a very long time now.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Now there is a discussion whether games that are reality based and graphically impressive offer the same amount of 'pure fun' as games with simple graphics.

Some say no.

Is this an actual argument that people are proposing or are we being trolled

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Is this an actual argument that people are proposing or are we being trolled

Yes they are. The focus on high production values and realistic graphics leading to high budgets made publishers avoid risk and innovation. Which leads to stale, cookiecutter, cinematic gameplay in a lot of cases. I know they're not literally mutually exclusive, but most of the times the games with simple graphics are more pure fun. (Minecraft is a good example)

.

 

[SeanR1221]

Did you read my previous posts? It didn't sound like this poor caricature. You should try giving your own arguments so that we can have a valuable discussion.

My argument is Nintendo dun goofed when they didnt cater to third parties. The writing was on the wall that their casual base all moved to smart phones and tablets. So what do they do? Make a grab for the same base.

This is the consequence of their actions and its almost sad to watch at this point.