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[a secret-boss]

I kinda stopped when I started watching more tv shows.
I do want catch up on One Piece

 

[Crash Station]

Maybe the production quality? Less gems falling through the masses though, which comes with over controlling the industry. I don't like where it's seem to have gone.

Well it's obviously subjective, but I'd say there's more good stuff purely based on the fact there's just more out there. There are like 45 shows this season. You'd be lucky to get that amount in a year in the past.

Admittedly, the good:crap ratio is a lot worse now, but that's what happens when there's more stuff.

 

[Savitar]

Like a lot of people I'm pretty selective when it comes to anime these days. I like stuff like Black Lagoon, Redline, Ultimate Hellsing. People are right that you can't just say all anime is about moe but there is so much out there of it these days it does leave a certain impression of where anime is right now that is simply meh worthy at best. There certainly are good shows out there to watch, but you might have to do a bit of digging.

 

[Crash Station]

Unfortunately OP is right.

But that is mainly because good manga is rare these days. Most of anime is based on manga source so without source good anime is rarity.

Do you have any idea how massive the medium is? You know about Manwha, so I would think so, but that's still an odd thing to say imo.

 

[J2 Cool]

If it has genres, it's a medium. Unless you want to say anime is a genre of cartoon, which has its own sub-genres exclusive to it like harem.

It's a medium, but it's arguable. The differences in genre aren't so defined, as their are of lot of similarities in style whether its a romance, horror, sci fi. It's not as diverse as film, or even american animation which Adventure Time and Up share almost nothing in common. The problem though with animation in general as a "medium" are that its always going to struggle for diversity in the corporate age where studios just want to pump out another success, and anything different is an expensive risk. There is no cheap animation, where as films you are still getting a strong independent output (at least comparitively) to shake up the diversity of genre. Also, Hollywood film has created the most stark contrast between its genres .

Animation, or anime, is a medium but more so in potential than anything. In practice, it's almost not.

 

[Crash Station]

Give me some interesting sci-fi/mech/samurai stuff and i will give it a try.

Space Brothers, Gargantia, Gurren Lagann. Only the last one is available dubbed, though.

 

[Risette]

Maybe the production quality? Less gems falling through the masses though, which comes with over controlling the industry. I don't like where it's seem to have gone.

I'm assuming that by production quality you mean animation and the like? If so, the production quality is also higher for the good things now thanks to the advent of digital. It also makes producing low effort & low quality works easier, thus their proliferation.

There is no cheap animation

wat

This is like the whole point of anime's existence, and why it is worth qualifying as a medium.

 

[Crash Station]

It's a medium, but it's arguable. The differences in genre aren't so defined, as their are of lot of similarities in style whether its a romance, horror, sci fi. It's not as diverse as film, or even american animation which Adventure Time and Up share almost nothing in common. The problem though with animation in general as a "medium" are that its always going to struggle for diversity in the corporate age where studios just want to pump out another success, and anything different is an expensive risk. There is no cheap animation, where as films you are still getting a strong independent output (at least comparitively) to shake up the diversity of genre. Also, Hollywood film has created the most stark contrast between its genres .

Animation, or anime, is a medium but more so in potential than anything. In practice, it's almost not.

I don't really agree there. There's a ton of unique stuff out there, or at least a good amount of diversity. Something like Mononoke is nothing like Detective Conan, for example. Whether it be in art style, tone, subject matter, direction, etc. there's definitely diversity. I would put it WAYYYYYYY above American animation in terms of diversity since anime is a somewhat dominant medium in its country of origin.

Of course, that isn't to say there isn't a lot of "samey" shit out there. There definitely is, and sometimes it gets more exposure than the really unique stuff. Still the unique stuff is out there.

 

[J2 Cool]

I'm assuming that by production quality you mean animation and the like? If so, the production quality is also higher for the good things now thanks to the advent of digital. It also makes producing low effort & low quality works easier, thus their proliferation.

wat

This is like the whole point of anime's existence, and why it is worth qualifying as a medium.

That's why almost exclusively mangas are greenlit, because that's the cheap production and gains followers, giving some level of assurance that the show will have an audience. They don't risk many original productions at all, even from established creators.

What's weird, and somewhat encouraging, is when studios throw a lot of money and talent into certain productions you get great results. FLCL was one of the few series where it was an anime before it was a manga, and was a decision to push standards and had a much larger budget. Akira at the time was the most expensive anime film ever produced, which is why it's still mindblowing to look at today.

I don't really agree there. There's a ton of unique stuff out there, or at least a good amount of diversity. Something like Mononoke is nothing like Detective Conan, for example. Whether it be in art style, tone, subject matter, direction, etc. there's definitely diversity. I would put it WAYYYYYYY above American animation in terms of diversity since anime is a somewhat dominant medium in its country of origin.

Of course, that isn't to say there isn't a lot of "samey" shit out there. There definitely is, and sometimes it gets more exposure than the really unique stuff. Still the unique stuff is out there.

I agree somewhat, but name how many genres you find in this mostly overused link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPCLMH1NM4. Point still remains your liable to find the general cliches of anime in every genre. Some out of once respectable efforts of making cheap animation, like the hand over the mouth to save on lip-sync, now are just a stylistic trait.

 

[Crash Station]

Meh, I grew tired of following 3+ shows every season, so now I only watch stuff that either many other friends are watching or I find somehow remarkably interesting. I think in the past 2 years I've seen 3 shows tops, and they haven't got remotely close to my favorites (Planetes, GitS...)

Have you seen Space Brothers?

 

[survivor]

I agree somewhat, but name how many genres you find in this mostly overused link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPCLMH1NM4. Point still remains your liable to find the general cliches of anime in every genre. Some out of once respectable efforts of making cheap animation, like the hand over the mouth to save on lip-sync, now are just a stylistic trait.

I'm not exactly sure what's the point of this video outside of the fact that some anime openings aren't very creative.

 

[Crash Station]

I was going to try to engage you in discussion until I read this post, which makes it clear that you're actually not interested in anything other than whoring for attention and flinging shit at others. It matters naught that you're abandoning anime if you're not willing to listen to corrective advice & suggestions old & new, or really do much of anything except for talk about just how adult you are for making a blanket decision to drop an entire medium based on your own laziness, myopia, and willful ignorance of it.

As for the anime thread in Community, I've had lengthy and detailed discussions with the fine people in there on topics as comparatively mature as the philosophical implications of the religious symbolism in Angel's Egg, the controversial sexual politics of The Wings of Honneamise, and exactly how much I hate Mind Game (a lot), so I know you're basically full of total shit regarding not being able to hold a decent conversation in between the regulars fawning over moe in there. Not to mention that the good folk of animeGAF will essentially drop everything to recommend you excellent works of past and present based on your own taste if you actually bother to ask - but, you know, just shit on them for the crime of having anime avatars, that's totally more productive.

Just goes to show you that liking Shakespeare doesn't make you a good person.

 

[rpmurphy]

Have you seen Space Brothers?

Space Brothers OT only has 5 pages for a year-old thread. :[

 

[Jex]

I totally forgot to mention this. The gross reliance on internal monologues in anime is downright laughable. I'm not sure if it's because some of these shows are adapted from text-reliant source materials or because it's a good excuse to not animate a scene but there's no shortage of instances in shows where the audience is forced to endure the thought progress of a character. There are moments where internal monologues are useful but most of the time it's a cheap way to convey emotions verbally that otherwise should have been conveyed visually.

The storytelling is often hindered additionally by the creator's need to do the audience's thinking for them like spelling out the themes. Then there's the pretentious and silly philosophical waxing. Or the "I lifted this story from an existing classical work, aren't you impressed?" Like the constant references to Philip K. Dick in Psycho Pass or the barrage of allusions to Shakespeare in that awful show Zetsuen no Tempest.

The state of the medium is really sad.

I was going to make a more general comment, but then I came across the bolded. I have no sympathy for people who watch Pyscho Pass and Zetsuen. That's like punching yourself in the face and then complaining that you are in pain. Chose what you watch carefully, or ask for advice, and you will generally notice how less your face hurts.

Okay, maybe I have a small amount of sympathy but after one episode or Zetsuen or a couple of Pyscho Pass it was pretty clear what those shows were gonna be like.

 

[Basileus777]

Zetsuen was dumb fun, people who watch it don't need any of your sympathy.

 

[FallingEdge]

I was going to make a more general comment, but then I came across the bolded. I have no sympathy for people who watch Pyscho Pass and Zetsuen. That's like punching yourself in the face and then complaining that you are in pain. Chose what you watch carefully, or ask for advice, and you will generally notice how less your face hurts.

Okay, maybe I have a small amount of sympathy but after one episode or Zetsuen or a couple of Pyscho Pass it was pretty clear what those shows were gonna be like.

Psycho Pass is not good? I was going to check it out after someone suggested it in the cyperpunk thread.

I seriously have no idea what is good these days. I'm still waiting for more Ippo.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

Space Brothers OT only has 5 pages for a year-old thread. :[

It's one of those shows I never miss, but I'm not interested in discussing it for some reason.

 

[Raxus]

I've been meaning to check out Space Brah's and some of the new spring selection but haven't gotten around to it. Winter was pretty depressing.

 

[Jex]

Zetsuen was dumb fun, people who watch it don't need any of your sympathy.

Episodes based around poorly animated dudes talking too each other may have been dumb, but it was not fun. Bar the occasional piece of excellent action courtesy of the director, Ando, I can't really think of too scenes that I'd even consider memorable.

Psycho Pass is not good? I was going to check it out after someone suggested it in the cyperpunk thread.

I seriously have no idea what is good these days. I'm still waiting for more Ippo.

If the anime film series can be called Mardock Scramble is 'cyberpunk for babies' then Psycho Pass must be cyberpunk for embroys. I haven't dove into the cyberpunk recommendation thread but you'd have to pretty starved of good content to consider watching Pyscho Pass. The characters are poorly written, uninteresting and have a tendency to spout exposition for upwards of five minutes. The overall story is boring and the individual episodes aren't particularly good either. To top of it all off it's pretty poorly produced and directed.

If it sounds like I'm being overly critical then let me assure you that I am not. When we're talking about recommending works to people who are on the verge of dispensing with the entire medium I can't in good conscience recommend anything other then the best of the best.

As for Ippo, I wouldn't be expecting anymore of that any time soon, unfortunately.

 

[radios shipping overview]

I kind of fell out of it a couple of years ago. I feel like there probably still are challenging, interesting shows out there, but I don't hear about nearly as many anymore. (I like gag shows like Azumanga and Nichijou, experimental stuff like Yuasa shows, and and quiet stuff like Mushishi and Haibane Renmei.)

All I hear about anymore are teen-friendly melodramatic epics (Valvrave) and moe stuff (comedy and drama) that aims right for its established audience.

 

[The Grim Heaper]

I'm watching more than ever recently so no, not really.

 

[sketchsanchez]

The last anime i enjoyed were samurai 7 and Speed Grapher, especially Speed Grapher...i bought every single episode during the early years of the 360. I think it was all the "kinda superpowers" the characters had that interested me the most (im a big fan of American superhero comics).

I don't even know if it's considered a good show to other anime fans but if anyone has any suggestions on something similar i'd love to hear it.

I also dig stuff from the 80s & 90's. Ive seen classics like Akira and GiTS. Loved Aria, voltron but i think that's all ive seen. If anyone has suggestions on that front id love that too...

 

[Jex]

The last anime i enjoyed were samurai 7 and Speed Grapher, especially Speed Grapher...i bought every single episode during the early years of the 360. I think it was all the "kinda superpowers" the characters had that interested me the most (im a big fan of American superhero comics).

I don't even know if it's considered a good show to other anime fans but if anyone has any suggestions on something similar i'd love to hear it.

I also dig stuff from the 80s & 90's. Ive seen classics like Akira and GiTS. Loved Aria, voltron but i think that's all ive seen. If anyone has suggestions on that front id love that too...

Maybe you'd enjoy JoJo's Bizarre Adventure then? Possibly Votoms as well, although that is very long. I am ill prepared to help you in this regards. cosmicblizzard would probably be able to advise better than I.

I recommend that you post your query over here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=547632 so that more people can have a chance to asses your needs an offer up a recommendation.

 

[sketchsanchez]

Thanks! I'll do that.

 

[Lindbergh]

There's always Doggy Poo.

It won awards at anime festivals, so it can be considered anime right?

 

[Dereck]

There's no need to attempt to follow everything that's coming out, especially because most of it isn't going to be particularly good. That would be akin to watching every single TV show in a given season. It's a fools game.

Truth spoken right here.

 

[Gintamen]

Not every show can copy the tenets of Lupin III. For that matter, not every anime director can learn a lesson or two from the true master, Masaaki Osumi.

Ouch.

My recommendation: Rewatch the old good ones, since you probably forgot what happened in those by now anyway.

The characters are poorly written, uninteresting and have a tendency to spout exposition for upwards of five minutes. The overall story is boring and the individual episodes aren't particularly good either. To top of it all off it's pretty poorly produced and directed.

Just did try the third episode after a couple months, seems like it can be dropped completely now.

 

[McLovin]

I feel like its all the same crap. Take some cool idea, take characters from another anime, blend it together and shit it out. Don't forget force the good guys and bad guys into a situation like going to the beach and not kill each other. Or have the main guy fall onto some girl accidentally grabbing her boob. Oh and dont forget to make his little sister have the hots for him, but its ok because they are really cousins :/

 

[TuXx]

Sounds like you've been watching a bunch of crappy anime on Netflix.

I recommd watching Stein's Gate and Welcome to NHK. Those are the two best anime series to come out over the past 5 years.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

I feel like its all the same crap. Take some cool idea, take characters from another anime, blend it together and shit it out. Don't forget force the good guys and bad guys into a situation like going to the beach and not kill each other. Or have the main guy fall onto some girl accidentally grabbing her boob. Oh and dont forget to make his little sister have the hots for him, but its ok because they are really cousins :/

I feel like i could say the same thing about live action shows except mention a few reality shows and expand that to cover everything live action.

But it doesn't seem like a good idea since I would be called out and destroyed instantly.

But yeah, like with everything else. Most of any entertainment medium will not appeal to you or be of low quality, except for the "good stuff". Anime is naturally not an exception to this.

Doesn't stop people from being intentionally disingenuous so they can bash mindlessly though.

 

[Tamerlane]

I like anime. Anime is good. But it doesn't help anyone who likes anime when people post stuff like this

I was going to try to engage you in discussion until I read this post, which makes it clear that you're actually not interested in anything other than whoring for attention and flinging shit at others. It matters naught that you're abandoning anime if you're not willing to listen to corrective advice & suggestions old & new, or really do much of anything except for talk about just how adult you are for making a blanket decision to drop an entire medium based on your own laziness, myopia, and willful ignorance of it.

As for the anime thread in Community, I've had lengthy and detailed discussions with the fine people in there on topics as comparatively mature as the philosophical implications of the religious symbolism in Angel's Egg, the controversial sexual politics of The Wings of Honneamise, and exactly how much I hate Mind Game (a lot), so I know you're basically full of total shit regarding not being able to hold a decent conversation in between the regulars fawning over moe in there. Not to mention that the good folk of animeGAF will essentially drop everything to recommend you excellent works of past and present based on your own taste if you actually bother to ask - but, you know, just shit on them for the crime of having anime avatars, that's totally more productive.

...and confirm the worst stereotypes about anime-lovers. Seriously dude, you should chill out. It's just anime. Do you honestly expect the average person to be able to tell the difference between the ironic "haha waifu, kawaii" anime fans like most of the posters here, and the genuine body-pillow dudes?

 

[rpmurphy]

I like anime. Anime is good. But it doesn't help anyone who likes anime when people post stuff like this

...and confirm the worst stereotypes about anime-lovers. Seriously dude, you should chill out. It's just anime. Do you honestly expect the average person to be able to tell the difference between the ironic "haha waifu, kawaii" anime fans like most of the posters here, and the genuine body-pillow dudes?

It would be news to me if there is anybody on GAF like that, let alone being in any significant number that makes it a worthwhile discussion. The general anime-watching population isn't like that either. Like, looking out into the real world more instead of relying on random internet pics and forum posts would be a good start.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

I totally get where you are coming from.

I remember a friend telling me about this awesome zombie anime "highschool of the dead?" and it soon as it starting zooming in on ridiculously big anime tits i turned it off. I don't want that, that is garbage. Give me some interesting sci-fi/mech/samurai stuff and i will give it a try.

Broken Blade, the mecha battles are great.

 

[survivor]

I like anime. Anime is good. But it doesn't help anyone who likes anime when people post stuff like this

...and confirm the worst stereotypes about anime-lovers. Seriously dude, you should chill out. It's just anime. Do you honestly expect the average person to be able to tell the difference between the ironic "haha waifu, kawaii" anime fans like most of the posters here, and the genuine body-pillow dudes?

No, the point of icarus post is that KeasbyKnight is full of shit because he never attempted to have any discussion whatsoever in the anime thread here. And if he attempted to bother he would have gotten a proper reply, but instead he just like to whines.

 

[Erigu]

I like anime. Anime is good. But it doesn't help anyone who likes anime when people post stuff like this
...and confirm the worst stereotypes about anime-lovers.

The fuck?
Read this again, and tell me how that gets a pass and icarus-daedelus' reply was uncalled for. I'm curious.

 

[Tamerlane]

The fuck?
Read this again, and tell me how that gets a pass and icarus-daedelus' reply was uncalled for. I'm curious.

To give you some perspective: you're arguing about anime on the internet. That guy's post was ignorant, sure, but it didn't warrant a self-important and angry response. At least, if the goal is convince people who don't like anime to not be close-minded, that surely isn't the way to go about it.

 

[Erigu]

That guy's post was ignorant, sure, but it didn't warrant a self-important and angry response.

He absolutely deserved that reply. "I could ask over there, but what's the point, it's a shitty topic full of shitty posters"? Fuck him.

 

[SteeloDMZ]

Watch.Space.Brothers.

Seriously.

 

[Brera]

It's just too hard to get through all the crap and most of the complaints in the op just piss me off now.

Gurran Lagaan was the last that I enjoyed which ironically has all the complaints listed but did it so well that it destroyed anime for me :-(

 

[Averon]

Watch.Space.Brothers.

Seriously.

This. It's a nice, light-hearted anime that's written well and doesn't have the baggage the OP is concerned with.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm over it now. The last fresh anime I saw was Gurren Lagann. I tried to watch Gungrave a few weeks ago.. and I couldn't even get through the first ep. Nothing really grabs me anymore.

The only thing that could bring me back is a Cowboy bebop sequel or a continuation of Berserk.

Animation has a lot to do with it too. I just don't like the way anime is drawn now a days. It just looks... lazy and boring to me.

 

[Kettch]

Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm over it now. The last fresh anime I saw was Gurren Lagann. I tried to watch Gungrave a few weeks ago.. and I couldn't even get through the first ep. Nothing really grabs me anymore.

The only thing that could bring me back is a Cowboy bebop sequel or a continuation of Berserk.

Animation has a lot to do with it too. I just don't like the way anime is drawn now a days. It just looks... lazy and boring to me.

The show from 10 years ago?

 

[Einherjar]

Anime is better than ever, have you seen the writing in Valvrave? Next level stuff, I literally cannot predict what will happen next.

 

[Gintoki313]

The only reason I watch animes still is because I feel the opposite of what you do. I feel that anime is always new to me and don't hold back while american cartoons hold back and are usually cliche to me. For me personally all american cartoons feel the same and usually go for the same jokes all the time. I can only see someone slam into a wall so many times before I stop laughing.

Anime is mostly broad as heck and theirs mostly everything for everyone. If you want to see a comedy in a school setting the watch School Rumble. If you want to see a mystery that is very suspenseful then watch Higurashi. If you want to watch an action show that can be light-hearted at times then watch DBZ or One Piece. You can even go out of bounds with what you want to watch and say I want to watch a show with a person with plant powers that is a comedy and is lengthy, well watch Law of Ueki. Anime has so many stuff for anything you want to watch that it'd be hard not to find something that doesn't interest you.

That's mostly the reason why I still watch anime. Though to each their own. Though yes some of the moe stuff is starting to get outrageous nowadays which is mostly why I just avoid it sometimes.

 

[Forceatowulf]

The show from 10 years ago?

Yep. I immediately had that "I know I've never seen this.. but I feel like I've already seen this." feeling.

It was one of those titles people recommended to me for so many years and I though I'd give it a shot on Netflix... to no avail. I think I'm just done with it. Nothing grabs me anymore. Past or present.

 

[Crash Station]

To give you some perspective: you're arguing about anime on the internet. That guy's post was ignorant, sure, but it didn't warrant a self-important and angry response. At least, if the goal is convince people who don't like anime to not be close-minded, that surely isn't the way to go about it.

He made a topic with the sole purpose of finding other people to agree with him, not to engage in any meaningful discussion about the state of anime or opposing views. It's just as self-important.

 

[Phire Phox]

Man, I was heavily into anime in the early and mid 2000s. Now, I haven't watched an anime in years. Just kind of got out of it.

 

[Crash Station]

Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm over it now. The last fresh anime I saw was Gurren Lagann. I tried to watch Gungrave a few weeks ago.. and I couldn't even get through the first ep. Nothing really grabs me anymore.

The only thing that could bring me back is a Cowboy bebop sequel or a continuation of Berserk.

Animation has a lot to do with it too. I just don't like the way anime is drawn now a days. It just looks... lazy and boring to me.

You know there are Berserk movies going on now, right?

Also, from what I hear, the first episode of Gungrave is completely non-indicative of the show itself and possibly skippable. No idea if that's true, though.

Anyway, there's still a lot of different art styles out there in modern anime. Unless you REALLY liked the 90s style, I'd say you should check out other stuff. There's probably more variety than ever in aesthetics.

Maybe watch Attack on Titan if you like Berserk. It even has its own thread and definitely has mainstream appeal like Cowboy Bebop or Big O.

 

[Verelios]

Anime is better than ever, have you seen the writing in Valvrave? Next level stuff, I literally cannot predict what will happen next.

I...holy shit, I can't disagree with you.

Time for me to sit down for awhile.

 

[Instro]

Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm over it now. The last fresh anime I saw was Gurren Lagann. I tried to watch Gungrave a few weeks ago.. and I couldn't even get through the first ep. Nothing really grabs me anymore.

The only thing that could bring me back is a Cowboy bebop sequel or a continuation of Berserk.

Animation has a lot to do with it too. I just don't like the way anime is drawn now a days. It just looks... lazy and boring to me.

FWIW the first GunGrave episode is awful, and the main reason people like the show is essentially the episodes that have very little to do with the scifi action stuff present in the first and latter episodes of the series.