Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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I'm sure some viewers have noticed this, but maybe some haven't:
Probably the one of the most sturdy series when it comes to holding up on rewatches. To the point of a flaw, really. Rewatching the first two seasons shows just how insanely dense the writing is. There's so many single references and name drops that only happen once or twice, and thus very easy to forget.
The Anti-Monitor
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I rewatched it with my family not long ago, and they noticed the Thoros stuff. Alongside the Bolton sigil back in Season 1. Or the Brotherhood without Banners in Season 2.
In fact, when The Mountain says "Killing the Brotherhood is easy, finding them is the problem" my father was all "Dude doesn't know they revive".
Oh, and Beric Dondarrion back in S1.
In fact, when The Mountain says "Killing the Brotherhood is easy, finding them is the problem" my father was all "Dude doesn't know they revive".
Oh, and Beric Dondarrion back in S1.
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I still can't believe Thoros is Dennis Pennis.
WHAAAAAAAAAAT?
It's like Russian literature.
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Hope one day someone has the skill to superimpose the new Beric's head on the top for that scene.
So jarring on a rewatch.
The Anti-Monitor
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At least it's just a scene.
For The Mountain, we went from the monstrous Conan Stevens to tall'n'thin Ian Whyte. Ser Gregor looks like he lost half his weight.
Gabriel_Logan
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I like the new Mountain, I get a creepy Christopher Lee vibe from him.
The Anti-Monitor
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But he's not supposed to be creepy, he's supposed to be a goddamned Juggernaut.
Could you picture him beheading a horse in one swing?
Ignatz Mouse
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She presumable sailed down a river from near Beric and Co to Blackwater Bay. Makes sense, actually.
Travelling by boat is way faster than on foot. Way, way faster. Especially through wilderness. Remember that before there was a railroad coast to coast in the US the fast and safe way to travel was by circumnavigating the entire continent. Same with Russia and the Trans-Siberian railroad.
Maddocks
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The original actor was actually built like a mountain, now hes just very tall and skinny. I would not for a second think the new mountain would behead a horse in one swing, he would hire the original mountain to do it.
Last Hearth
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Actually if you look at the map, there is a lake south of Harrenhal,and from a there is a river that flows south that eventually flows into the Blackwater, so actually sailing past KL makes perfect sense if that's the route she takes.
Oh hey, you're right. The route that caught my eye on the map was sailing from Dragonstone, around Crackclaw Point, up the Bay of Crabs, and landing at Saltpans and going on foot from there, but I guess going up the Blackwater works just as well. I retract my criticism!
I'm sure some viewers have noticed this, but maybe some haven't:
So his blade was guided by the lord of light
brilliant
Diana Rigg is a great choice. The guy who is torturing Theon would have deserved it as well.
As Redshift, I also noticed the Flame sword references, and assumed that it was a single/unique weapon. So, when both Stannis (sword of light?) and then Beric later where shown with it, Thoros name sort of passed me until now.I'm sure some viewers have noticed this, but maybe some haven't:
So, thanks for mentioning it. I like the character even more, and he has barely appeared in the show! But, should we then assume that there is a "show trick" behind flaming a sword, or it's really "magic" related to the Lord of Light? It's probably mentioned back around the Blackwater episodes, but I'm saving a rewatch until this season finalizes.
Noticed a couple of obvious things: It's possible to circumvent The Wall by crossing the river at the West. But since it's name is "The Gorge", I would assume it's pretty deep/large/has strong currents. Still, doesn't sounds as bad as escalating a mountain-range vertical wall.
The other one, is about the The Twins: While using its bridge seems convenient, it does not look so critical as to being forced to pact a marriage.
Also -initially-, Robb let Theon go and try to convince his father to provide them ships. Was that the reason of why his army took the left path of the Greenfork river? Wouldn't be more wise to take the right one, having the Eyrie (Catelyn's syster lands) next to you? Even without her help, it's still a flank less to worry, as I presume that Tywin/The Mountain forces would not dare to invade that land yet.
At the end, it probably would not matter, since now they have switched plans and try to siege Casterly Rock. But still.
Guess I need to start looking the Extras already..
David Incorporated Esq.
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Jaime's army was besieging Riverrun, and Rob needed to cross at The Twins to get there in time to pull off his sneaky ambush.
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Ah thanks, that explains it. Seems a lot of my doubts will be clarified after I rewatch the series since the beginning.
Another vote for Diana (Olenna Tyrell). It's difficult to suddenly appear and become relevant on a show that already has well known/liked characters. But she managed, almost effortlessly. And Nikolaj benefited of the well written role, as well as his natural charm, so I approve. Would just add Gwendoline(Brienne) and Sophie (Sansa) to the mix.
Still, my high notes are for Charles Dance (Tywin) - Such a dominance presence, this season.
Duane Cunningham
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Also:
I think the idea is that you need the Twins to move an army across the river. If there are six people in your party, sure, grab a rowboat or something. It's a huge, wide river (maybe half a mile across), and you might get to the other side way down stream... but fine, no problem.
BUT, if you have tens of thousands of troops in armor, wagon trains carrying more weapons and armor and other gear, catapults, tents, thousands of horses, food, mobile kitchens, mobile command structures, etc etc, you have to go to the one place where there's a huge wide bridge.
I think the idea is that you need the Twins to move an army across the river. If there are six people in your party, sure, grab a rowboat or something. It's a huge, wide river (maybe half a mile across), and you might get to the other side way down stream... but fine, no problem.
BUT, if you have tens of thousands of troops in armor, wagon trains carrying more weapons and armor and other gear, catapults, tents, thousands of horses, food, mobile kitchens, mobile command structures, etc etc, you have to go to the one place where there's a huge wide bridge.
Thoros of Myrs trick to getting a flaming sword was explained in the first book, but I don't think that made into the show. PM me if you want to know (no spoilers).
Oh, I understand that crossing the river with a whole army would not work. Was thinking more about retrace some steps, and go around the river instead.
I mean, the Twins seems to be very close to where it starts. But the comment about having to make a sneak attack does make sense.
Thanks, will do it once this season ends - in case they decide to mention it later.
Going around the river, while possible, wouldn't have let them pull of that attack. It would've been several hundred miles to go around it, or they would've had to go through the bog of The Neck.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Oh, north of The Twins is a monstrous great swamp, and the Kingsroad passing through Moat Cailin is seriously the only way to get across the neck by land.
Ohh. That's not shown in the Viewers guide map:
Oddly enough, it seems to also be missing a river's "arm". Oh well.
Ohh. That's not shown in the Viewers guide map:
Oddly enough, it seems to also be missing a river's "arm". Oh well.
That bit under your question mark is supposed to represent a swamp on the map. Is that the S3 map? It's a bit easier to read on the maps of the earlier seasons.
She appeared in at least one porn movie before she starred in the movie "Gegen die Wand". She's absolutely great in that role. I haven't been that impressed with her performance in GoT either, but she can act. She won a Lola, the most important German film prize, twice in her career. Here she gets the Lola from Christop Waltz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOTNEnB5O7A
i wouldn't say filler....just extremely slow-moving. Theon's storyline is definitely filler since we haven't gone anywhere since the beginning of the season
Yes we have, Theon has one less finger and cock now.
oh right, four or five torture scenes for one plot advancement, how stupid of me to suggest his storyline has not gone anywhere this season.
they could have done that in one scene and spent the time on developing other storylines, but that's just my opinion.
HyruleGuardian
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Honestly, I don't think *anything* we see on this show is filler.
There's sexposition, but not filler.
To me, something is "filler" if it's simply showing us scenes with a character because the writers felt they didn't have enough material and thus needed to add something to fill screen time.
Dany's storyline last year and Theon's storyline this year might be on the slow side, maybe even a little boring at times, but I don't see it as filler. Even if you didn't enjoy it.
There was a purpose of Dany and her group dehydrating in the desert, being deceived in Qarth, and resisting the temptations of the house of the undying, with her dragons making their first kill.
Theon's stuff this year... it's been hard to watch, but I have to assume that we've gotten these 3 torture scenes (only 3 torture scenes for Theon this year, not 4 or 5 ^) because it's going to have huge implications for Theon's character going forward. (as well as introducing us to the evil guy torturing him I guess).
I mean, if Theon comes back in Season 4 and he's the same guy he was in Season 2, then yeah, everything that happened with him in Season 3 was a bloody waste of time, pointless gruesomeness.
But I'm assuming that's not the case.
Maybe it's because the book series has thousands of pages and we only get 10 episodes a year, but I really don't see anything that happens on this show as filler. To me it always seems to have a purpose and a direction, and to this point the show hasn't given me any reason to feel otherwise.
There's sexposition, but not filler.
To me, something is "filler" if it's simply showing us scenes with a character because the writers felt they didn't have enough material and thus needed to add something to fill screen time.
Dany's storyline last year and Theon's storyline this year might be on the slow side, maybe even a little boring at times, but I don't see it as filler. Even if you didn't enjoy it.
There was a purpose of Dany and her group dehydrating in the desert, being deceived in Qarth, and resisting the temptations of the house of the undying, with her dragons making their first kill.
Theon's stuff this year... it's been hard to watch, but I have to assume that we've gotten these 3 torture scenes (only 3 torture scenes for Theon this year, not 4 or 5 ^) because it's going to have huge implications for Theon's character going forward. (as well as introducing us to the evil guy torturing him I guess).
I mean, if Theon comes back in Season 4 and he's the same guy he was in Season 2, then yeah, everything that happened with him in Season 3 was a bloody waste of time, pointless gruesomeness.
But I'm assuming that's not the case.
Maybe it's because the book series has thousands of pages and we only get 10 episodes a year, but I really don't see anything that happens on this show as filler. To me it always seems to have a purpose and a direction, and to this point the show hasn't given me any reason to feel otherwise.
That's a good point. It's not possible to cover the books in their entirety in 10 hours, even splitting ASOS into two seasons like they're doing for S3/4. I don't understand the "filler" complaints either. Some people just want the series to be nonstop action.
neoism
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Man I love her so much in GOT she is gorgeous.. just finished S1 yesterday and the scene with her and Tyrion and that boss fighter dude was one of the best scenes in S1 really hope she has a bigger role in the series going forward and doesn't end up like Rose....
HyruleGuardian
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Yeah, I think that's a lot of it.
I've seen a lot of people refer to torture scenes as 'boring', like they can stomach gruesome torture, it's just that they don't enjoy Theon's scenes at all and would rather be watching something else.
Which I get. But here's the thing - when are we EVER supposed to be enjoying the spectacle of torture?
That's the point. It's horrible to watch. We just want it to end immediately, but it doesn't end immediately - which is what torture is.
So either you believe that these torture scenes are just being shown for torture's sake and that we're supposed to be enjoying them, or you believe that these scenes are being shown because of what this will mean for Theon's story arc.
If Theon dies at the beginning of Season 4 and the guy who was torturing him are never seen again, I'll retract everything I said - but I doubt it.
I don't really get that disturbed by it, but at this point I feel we've seen all we need to see in Theon getting tortured. He was emotionally manipulated, had a finger cut off in a "tell me to cut your finger off" scene, and now his dick is gone. I really hope we find out why the next time we see him, you can't really go any farter than cutting a dude's dick off.
HyruleGuardian
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Yeah I agree, I would be disappointed if the next time we see Theon it's just more torture. We're definitely due to learn something new.
But I'm not as disappointed as some people that we got about 10 minutes worth of Theon torture this season, because I'm assuming it's going to be very important to Theon's character arc, who in my opinion is one of the more interesting characters on the show.
You guys do know this show follows a book, right? So if the books said: Theon got his finger, dick, left leg cut off and got stabbed in the eye then that's exactly what needs to happen on the show. It's also a pretty important thing so that the show can't just change it and since they are showing Theon being tortured they can't just jump ahead 5 episodes and suddenly Theon is limbless.
There was a reader in here saying that the show focused on it more than the books. Hate to bring up the books, but you said it first!
To be fair, you should really be quoting the post above the one that you did quote
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I just picked one of them. See my problem is, when you write things like that it changes my perspective of the show. So when you have someone who's read the books or knows what happens in the book, say something like Jamie's sword hand shouldn't have been cut, he was supposed to lose his other hand, how's he going to fight now.
It'll make me think, damn, he might have learned to fight one handed, still duel, still be a kingsguard but now that he lost his sword hand, he'll probably fight left handed or leave his kingsguard role altogether etc.
This is just an example, but things like this are the reason no comparisons is a rule. It colors our perspective of the character then. And the show is all we have to go on. For book readers, it's better to compare and contrast what goes on, how things changed etc.
I'm not angry, I just wish that we could go a few pages without something from the books coming up or a thread rule being broken.
EDIT: To book readers, please post in this thread, keep reading or lurking, and be around to answer any questions (use show sources only, preferably). I just wish more of you did a bit of diligence in checking whether or not you should post that.
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