No question, they screwed up the communication. Wires were crossed and that is ultimately their fault. This stuff is worthy of debate. But not bullshit. 6 months out, insurmountable details unknown are bad enough. Articles like this are garbage hit bait, making the mess even more stupid.
Xbone: Microsoft blames the media for consumer rage.
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No question, they screwed up the communication. Wires were crossed and that is ultimately their fault. This stuff is worthy of debate. But not bullshit. 6 months out, insurmountable details unknown are bad enough. Articles like this are garbage hit bait, making the mess even more stupid.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
One of my new favourite people.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
He tried to warn us...
Thanks Microsoft
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Microsoft blames the media.
Media blames us.
We blame Microsoft.
Brilliance.
Media blames us.
We blame Microsoft.
Brilliance.
Why would they have said anything about the camera before, this is only an issue now because of Microsoft.
Sony said there not talking about their used games policy and will at a later date, why didn't Microsoft do this? edit: actually they did say something.
Me either, because getting my **** ****ed has been easier than finding great games since I was like, 16. Now, if they offered unlimited beer raining down from the cloud however...
bigdaddygamebot
Member
So you're like...sixteen and six months old now?
Did they?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
- Make shitty policy
- Release uncoordinated conflicting statements
- Blame the messanger.
Lol ok MS.
its amazing how many people refuse to believe his words simply because he had to consult a pr guy before giving an answer.
why not considder that he asked his PRagent wether to give an answer now or keep that under wraps till E3.
in my eyes it seems some people simply must find a reason that proves that Sony is doing it too without any proof or even the tiniest rumor with credibillity.
Sort of, though I think there was a liberal amount of spin, and technically you CAN play used games on the X1 but you have to trade them in at authorized retailers.
Here though I've seen it pointed out, I think by Y2Kev, that Sony simply may not have the infrastructure TO do anything like Microsoft, so saying "used games can play" probably does mean just what everyone hopes it does.
yeah, kinda. i mean they said you could play used games just like yoshida did.
"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that"
was the answer to a completely different question.
*checks with handler* "Used games will play on the PS4. How's that?"
That doesn't instill me with any comfort. For free? For a price? Before MS tried to erase their tracks from the snow they said that we could play used X1 games too, but it didn't mean what we wanted it to. Having said that Sony would be crazy to do it now seeing how MS is getting walked on for trying it.
He'd probably need a PR advisor to confirm it displays graphics and plays sound.
Nope. Welcome to New Orleans.
Lol, yeah. Companies keep a tight leash.
Manmademan
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Sony has also clarified elsewhere through other officials that the PS4 does not require an internet connection to function. the "NFC" patent that got the internet all riled up has also been confirmed to have nothing to do with the PS4. they're not using it.
so taking those two statements at face value- it's not going to require an online connection and will not block used games, the only reasonable conclusion is that the PS4 will function as the PS3 does. Publishers have the ability to require a specific title to connect online on a case by case basis (capcom did this for final fight, it did not go over well), but there will be no system level requirement.
peanutbutterlatte
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Their awful hokey presentation was a sort of media. So spot-on.
Deuterium
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Son of a bitch...I will be the first person to say that the XboxONE reveal was lackluster, and generally a disappointment. However, this OP is pure, unadulterated BUNK. Nowhere, in the OP link, does Microsoft cry about the media as being unfair, or place any sort of blame.
Major Nelson makes some clarifications, which may or may not be accepted by the GAF fanboys...but in no way does he disrespect the gaming media.
Despite the unprofessional rants of fanboys such as "Angry Joe" (yeah, it was funny, but it was also over the top), in which Microsoft and the new XboxOne was cursed in the most foul terms...and we are talking some serious offensive language, here...Microsoft has played it low key.
Look...I get it. People are royally pissed about the DRM stuff. However, at this point, there is a lot of Sound and Fury that signifies nothing. We don't have the final details of what it will entail, and Microsoft themselves appear to be in a state of flux over this whole issue. By many accounts, it sounds not dissimilar to the way things are currently handled on the 360.
Far be it for me to rush to Microsoft's defense, but this post is pure shite.
Anyone willing to give a fair, impartial consideration of Microsoft's position would do well to actually read the Links provided in the OP, and judge for yourself if the incendiary wording in the OP subject is truly merited.
Major Nelson makes some clarifications, which may or may not be accepted by the GAF fanboys...but in no way does he disrespect the gaming media.
Despite the unprofessional rants of fanboys such as "Angry Joe" (yeah, it was funny, but it was also over the top), in which Microsoft and the new XboxOne was cursed in the most foul terms...and we are talking some serious offensive language, here...Microsoft has played it low key.
Look...I get it. People are royally pissed about the DRM stuff. However, at this point, there is a lot of Sound and Fury that signifies nothing. We don't have the final details of what it will entail, and Microsoft themselves appear to be in a state of flux over this whole issue. By many accounts, it sounds not dissimilar to the way things are currently handled on the 360.
Far be it for me to rush to Microsoft's defense, but this post is pure shite.
Anyone willing to give a fair, impartial consideration of Microsoft's position would do well to actually read the Links provided in the OP, and judge for yourself if the incendiary wording in the OP subject is truly merited.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
fucking media, always ruining it for the big guys.
The one example where "the customer is always right" actually works...
Tylahedras
Banned
Truly LOL worthy. The mainstream news didn't turn on MS until a few days after once they realized how much gamers hated the damn thing. Even actual game media at the event seemed willing to give them massive amounts of leeway until it became clear they had no fucking idea how to spin this shit. And even NOW many of them are taking a, "well the games will redeem it at E3" line.
... I don't think you know how logic works.
Deuterium
Member
Yeah, and Sony Corp. is the second coming of Blessed Mother Theresa. Gimme a break.
"Inaccurate and incomplete", which isn't explicitely blaming the media so much as saying the information isn't all there yet. You COULD construe as that, but given how much of it was verbatim from Microsoft employees I think it can be taken as (more accurately regardless of his intentions) that Microsoft doesn't have their information fully lined up yet and will shut up until they do.
They're all in it for themselves, the question is whether Sony's willing to play nice enough or not. Microsoft doesn't seem to, whether it's a misguided attempt to make things work better for consumers or an actively hostile attempt at control. COULD be a bit of both, one guy thinks it'd be nice if people didn't have to keep the disc in the system to play, others run with it for how they can compromise in their favor, keep the control they want so people don't freely install on everything, etc etc.
Deuterium
Member
They TOOK ISSUE with what they perceive to be non-factual, FALSE reports. What the hell is wrong with that???
Edit: And they did in a rather low-key, professional manner, IMHO.
Compare Microsoft's rebuttal/clarifications, with the rants by internet fan-boys. And again, I myself got a laugh out of "Angry Joe" going into full apoplexy. Nevertheless, it still is over-the-top, knee-jerk reaction to information that has not been made official (at best), and at worst, is a complete over-reaction to what Microsoft's actual DRM policy actually appears to be.
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Deleted member 8095
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What a sensationalist thread/article title and another thread filled with overreaction.
Explain it to me, then.
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and price
Effigenius
Member
It is the medias fault. All the stuff we are raging about was not in their reveal show. The media got that information out of them, when Microsoft was trying to hide it. Good job, media.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Does Crazy Ken Kutaragi work for Microsoft now?
I've thought about tracking this exact line of info dissemination, because I'm almost entirely sure that consumer rage came from the direct reporting from Microsoft executives.
I mean... look at this shit, major media is still not reporting on major negative opinions in their own media: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE65x31ik68
I mean... look at this shit, major media is still not reporting on major negative opinions in their own media: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE65x31ik68
JCreasy
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Deuterium
Member
As I've said before, there are definitely major exceptions this time in the game journalism community. Some are sticking up for consumer rights.
But it is truly astonishing the number of corporate ballwashers who are going up to bat for this horrendous platform called Xbox One. IGN should practically have a 24/7 hour banner telling Microsoft to fuck off.
No but Phil Harrison is and hironically he was the one who spilled the negative things that Microsoft didn't want to be known until their PR team could find a better way to spin/announce them
Btw this reaction is really lame, putting the blame on medias because their product has been badly received?
They have only themselves to blame, their announcement felt rushed, they don't have a clear direction and they gave the impression they are lost in how to handle a multitude of anti consumer measures they have decided to adopt.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Nintendo gets "shit on" in the same way the Xbone is getting "shit on". They're just reporting what they're getting.
But what I want to track is whether or not there was a transition period between initial reactions of generating excitement for the Xbox One and reporting on negative feedback from consumers. Were there any attempts to frame the One as an anti-consumer device before consumer feedback became so prominent? I also wonder how consumers are portrayed in these articles that "stick up for consumer rights." Games media have a gigantic investment in the Xbox One becoming a major gaming success for future profits. I have to wonder how earnest some of these attempts have been by news outlets.
I'll have to look more closely at the different sites. Any leads you have noticed?
Also, the bolded is not that astonishing. :\
Polishin8r
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what in the world is micro thinking? Ohh wait..they are not....
How can such a company like micro with billions of dollars not have someone with brains in their marketing/ PR team who actually went to college and learned how to communicate and deal with a costumer base in various situations including this one....
How can such a company like micro with billions of dollars not have someone with brains in their marketing/ PR team who actually went to college and learned how to communicate and deal with a costumer base in various situations including this one....
Maybe it's not that astonishing, but I've certainly been dumbfounded... and I didn't think my opinion of game journalism could get any lower. A true new low has been reached with this situation, though. There's no way we can get lower than some game "journalists" blaming consumers for being 'jealous' or 'entitled' when they rage against the most sweeping anti-consumer measures in game industry history.
As to the other part of your comment, to be honest I've been so furious I haven't had time to do such research, but I'd like to see such results myself.
That's not necessarily true. I have to do more research on the Xbox One news dissemination, but the amount of historical "baggage" that is carried along with Nintendo's image and dominant (popular) narratives far outstrips any negative reporting the media could do on the Xbox One. It's easy to report a narrative about Nintendo being "behind the times," "outdated", "kiddie," "casual," or "irrelevant" to modern gaming. However, it is difficult to argue that the Xbox One is anti-consumer when this is virtually a new narrative (potentially dominant, but new narratives are RARE!! and difficult to establish).
[EDIT] Also, what will be interesting to track is that if this new narrative on Microsoft's policies becomes dominant (and it won't until the Xbox One's sales suffer - because that is when the media will have to logically deduce WHY it isn't selling and then report that back to us, the consumers... *sigh*), there will most assuredly be a re-imagining of Microsoft's past decisions to where the narrative makes logical sense. What was once pro-consumer Xbox Live could transform entirely into a corporate cash cow always designed to "end" with the Xbox One. This is truly fascinating stuff. I just want to emphasize how uncommon this kind of stuff is.
Microsoft's double talk and inability to clear things up implies they're willing to wait until launch to see if they can get away with it. If they fail, they're going to destroy their brand.
They could have released a decent gaming console that optionally has a really good media aggregate service with direct a la carte subscriptions. Instead they're offering a low end PC with Apple style jailed up features and irrelevant restrictions.
If Microsoft goes through with this, vote with your wallets. Get a PS4, PC (Window is great, I don't hate MS), Wii U, whatever.
They could have released a decent gaming console that optionally has a really good media aggregate service with direct a la carte subscriptions. Instead they're offering a low end PC with Apple style jailed up features and irrelevant restrictions.
If Microsoft goes through with this, vote with your wallets. Get a PS4, PC (Window is great, I don't hate MS), Wii U, whatever.
They don't exist. All that's been reported is the inconsistent mess of a message that the executives gave out when pressed about the issues. They should have been prepared given the Adam Orth scandal, though it seems like they expected everyone to just take it in their stride.