Stiflers Mom
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I couldn't even use it, me and my wife decided against having internet in our home.
So, Xbone is a big no.
#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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I couldn't even use it, me and my wife decided against having internet in our home.
So, Xbone is a big no.
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bigbaldwolf86
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I thought this as well. I was trying to figure it out but my brain was hurting.
zomgbbqftw
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Yes and publishers can wave goodbye to their PS3 revenues if they decide not to give full support to PS4.
Publishers are not in a position to piss off Sony when almost half of their revenue is made on Sony's platforms. Third parties cut off Sega and Nintendo because it made little difference to their bottom line if it resulted in sanctions on releasing on other platforms from those two. The same cannot be said for Sony.
We need to get this idea that publishers hold all the cards out of here. Sony are the platform holder where publishers make a fuck load of money, that position naturally comes with a lot of power to dictate terms. EA and Activision are not going to turn around and say no to PS4 releases if it means no more PS3 publishing. Investors will have the respective CEOs' heads on pikes if they stopped releasing PS3 games.
C'mon, man.
At least there are ways to play your game if the publisher puts in horrible DRM. There is none of that on console.
scakko84
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At least you don't need to own all your previous PCs for playing older games because they dropped the BC.
I disagree. This shouldn't be a campaign to make Microsoft cave in, but to make them look like the bringer of evil to the gaming consumer.
I think a much more useful tactic would be to fill Microsoft's twitter account with #PS4noDRM and #PS4UsedGames.
You know this how might I ask?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I do have 28 feet of intestines which at many times of the day are carrying a significant amount of fecal matter yes.
Doesnt change the fact that Drm consoles = No buy.
Impeccable
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Honestly, this is the most incorrect argument people have been using for weeks for a plethora of reasons. You can't compare DRM on a console to the environment and ecosystem set-up for PC gaming.
Vol5
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I've showed my support.
Here's the thing though. When you purchase a physical game, that game then belongs to you and you alone. If you decide to hand in that game to a second-hand retailer, what rights, legally, does MS or Sony even have over that product? If anything it's the retailers possession and they are legally entitled to sell that game on as they see fit.
Has anyone looked into this or have any feedback on the legal ramifications?
Here's the thing though. When you purchase a physical game, that game then belongs to you and you alone. If you decide to hand in that game to a second-hand retailer, what rights, legally, does MS or Sony even have over that product? If anything it's the retailers possession and they are legally entitled to sell that game on as they see fit.
Has anyone looked into this or have any feedback on the legal ramifications?
10101
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I'm not saying publishers do not publish on PS4 what I'm saying is if MS does it and Sony pulls the plug on DRM, MS has two options. Ask for exclusives Say, 3-6 month window before it's released on the the PS4 or they pull DRM from Xone. Personally I'm of the opinion that heads of agreement of long since been signed off by all concerned.
lightlamp4
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Stop pretending to care about consumers. This affects the whole industry and not just Sony. Although your bias shows with your avatar.
Hypereides
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The power of social networking. This is amazing.
Something like this could be used to document the effects.
Something like this could be used to document the effects.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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People need to focus here, there are enough other threads where you can discuss this, if you're interested in it at all.
And the best way to push back is to make people not want to buy their product. Why would you put more money into the pockets of a company trying to push this initiative?
Are you joking?
Krusenstern
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This has been posted somewhere 20 pages back. There is a lot of stuff OP needs to update.
No not really, if they end up caving in and then consumers giving them more money, you're supporting a company that was seriously pushing it into the consumer.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Maybe to add the pressure, someone could create a Tumblr page and We could add a bit more detail why we Dont want always online drm and anti-used games?
Just a paragraph will do but it would show execs exactly why we dont want this?
Just a paragraph will do but it would show execs exactly why we dont want this?
zomgbbqftw
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Yeah, if the publisher go for the first one then Sony can pull the plug on PS3 releases. No timed exclusive games. It is more likely that MS will get some token timed exclusive DLC and free co-marketing for Xbone.
Btw, an agreement like that which restricts consumer rights would be viewed very dimly by the EU Competition Commission. MS, EA, Sony, Activision and the rest had better hope that no such agreement exists or they could all be fined for forming a collusion and their products could be banned from sale within the EU which would be devastating to all gaming companies.
There's been some talk on Twitter about what effect Sony could make at this point, and thus the usefulness of a campaign like this. Some are saying it's probably too late.
If you believe Sony has mandated a universal regime, and contracts are signed, then there is probably very little Sony can do now. It might not be so easy for them.
On the other hand, if nothing is signed, it could be easy from a PR point of view, but difficult from a publisher handling point of view.
And then there's the middle possibility - that an opt-in regime is in place for publishers. In that case, lobbying sony and publishers could at least make them aware of consumer sentiment if they roll ahead with using such a system. As long as this is a possible scenario I think it's worth keeping on the pressure.
Baleoce
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I wonder if GameTrailers will use this as an example of how GAF can come together as a positive and productive force for the industry, in their documentary. It's certainly deserving of it, and it would provide a balanced perspective. Perhaps they've already completed it though. Quick edit in order perhaps? 
lightlamp4
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Maybe we should also tweet Microsoft telling them our thoughts like we are doing for Sony? As gamers. We should care about the industry. And not about a single company. Because this DRM bullshit will only be defeated if both companies get rid of it.
LiquidMetal14
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TC should link the accounts on top for the Sony guys with embedded links.
And #PS4noDRM and #PS4UsedGames do exactly that.
Schobeleth
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I've posted again for today. I think I'm going to start posting the tags regularly today, I just worry that if I post to the Sony bosses too much it'll make them block me or something lol.
lightlamp4
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That is limiting it to one platform. It should just be #noDRM or something like that.
Impeccable
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Better yet show executives why THEY don't want this.
No used games is a person who buys a lot of games at launch having their used games sales limiting their spending pool.
Less sales is less DLC sales.
No rentals and used games won't allow people to 'try' new intellectual properties to build fanbases for future purchases.
No used game sales and rentals won't allow young gamers to expand their horizons and explore other genres.
The value on games with short campaigns and tacked on multi-player suddenly won't seem worth a purchase.
People who actively advertise your games with Let's Play and streams won't be able to necessarily afford all games anymore.
Unsurprising but: https://twitter.com/RaveofRavendale/status/339353669600436224
No, it's supporting the movement while showing them you won't buy their crap if they keep pushing anti-consumer tactics. Why would you even advertise their box's name for them like that?
Muchi Muchi Pink
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In the OP are the people you need to tweet at Microsoft. And yes this is a problem for everyone.
I agree, they see this too. This isn't just for the fans of PS4, I think all gamers should stand up and let their voice (so to speak) be heard. This is just bad for the consumer, so if you are a fan of either console, you should be concerned.
TheDarkKnight774
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Now is the right time to stir things up for the attention of Euro PlayStation contacts.
Yesterday was amazing, but it was also a bank holiday in the UK, where SCEE is basedIt's now 9am, and UK based companies should be getting back to work. Noise this morning would be a good idea
I have updated the tweet links in the Open Letter to target PlayStationEU and other SCEE accounts as well as the UK wing of publishers: http://gofreak-ie.appspot.com/ps4usedgames
@PlaystationEU
@SCEEBlog
@ElectronicArts
@Capcom_UK
@Ubisoft
( As well as, still, the big wigs in Japan and the US, @yosp, @philrosenberg )
If anyone has more personal accounts of relevant people in the european arms of these companies, that'd be great.
Share, tweet, link...anything! Just do it
Later I'll switch things back in the open letter to target the US. It'll also be their first day back after the weekend...but for now, let's work Europe.
tweets sent. will fire off again when you update for the US side
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Yeah stuff like that would be amazing. I think ill set it up myself in a bit if no one else wants to.
zomgbbqftw
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I find it very, very hard to believe that contracts would ever be put in place for a system like this, everything would be conducted on the basis of a nod here and a wink there. Formalising a system that restricts consumer rights into a contract would be a highly risky move because it could be viewed as a collusion to fix prices of games by the EUCC.
We don't need to shout their name on this one, and the other thread is useless. We are kinda doing both. If Microsoft stays ignorant on all of this backlash Sony is getting, we can't help them.
lightlamp4
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Why advertise the PS4? The same should be said that you wont buy the PS4 if they push this anti-consumer tactic. Its pretty obvious they are planning to put used games DRM in it. Its just Microsoft was the first one to come out with it so they are getting all the hate.
Why do people keep saying this? Seriously there needs to be a sticky topic or something for these folks. Here are just two simple ways it is different.
1.PC games are super cheap( I've bought 5 GOOD games for 1 dollar before on steam, that shit ain't happening on console ever).
2. PC games are basically yours forever. If a publisher decides to shut down the servers it's okay cause a fan made one will just pop up to take it's place(example of this is you can still play Phantasy Star Online multiplayer on PC). Find an old game that's unplayable? Just look around there's probably a fan made patch to make it work once again. PC gaming keeps going, you don't ever have to worry about losing all your games once a new generation begins like you do on consoles.
Because they haven't confirmed any DRM measures and aren't actively supporting and pushing it. Hence #PS4noDRM and #PS4UsedGames to push that it remains that way.
lightlamp4
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Well both Sony and Microsoft know we don't like this DRM stuff. Now its about how many times we want to remind them.
Oh look it's the same insane argument.
1. There is more than 1 marketplace to buy games from on PC.
2. PC games are cheaper at launch in most cases.
3. On sale you can get basically any year old game for 10$ or less.
DAT strawman
The www.ps4nodrm.com site is a good one. I dont know who made that (mortimer?) but just in case you're reading this it might be a good idea to include some of the articles from the media. Thoughts?
You have no idea. I can still buy my pc games from multiple sources, all competing for my money.
I don't think you get what I'm saying. If Microsoft ignores this whole campaign and we still see that DRM, I don't think removing it was ever an option.
LunaticHigh
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@yosp is active now. He hasn't commented though.
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