#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"

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RobbieH said:
Here's where we stand. I'll update it again in the morning.

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http://www.consolewars.de/news/41103/drm_und_gebrauchtspiele_fans_starten_kampagne_auf_twitter/
 
eLZhi said:
EA has to have been a driving force. They were the only ones to include online passes other than Sony. I can see Capcom jumping behind this full steam as well, but so far they do seem to be strictly in the PS4 camp.

Sony taking the "let pubs decide" approach is possibly the best we can hope for and they have mentioned it and only those that utilize it will be the bad guys. If that does happen, I just won't buy games from pubs that use the DRM system, just as I didn't buy any games with PSN/Online Passes. Until they hit $20 at least.

I'm not buying BF4 regardless, but I would refrain from buying a Mirror's Edge 2 if it has DRM.
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This is what I was planning on doing as well. If EA, CAPCOM or ACTIVISION decide to impliment DRM into their games, I won't buy. I didn't buy BF3 because of the online pass too. My brother in law brought it over and I coudln't even try it out. Complete lost sale there.

What I'm scared of is Sony's first party titles like UC. How may games make it out to public that don't have DRM?

zomgbbqftw said:
Which is partly what this campaign is in response to. Sony are getting theirs now for being too vague.
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Yeah it's good they're getting blasted. They need heat on this issue right now.

SolidSnakex said:
EA is obviously the one that everyone is going to think of. They had their online pass and then dropped them out or nowhere with no warning while claiming that they'd listened to consumers and that's what helped them come to the conclusion that they have. And then we hear about MS implementing an anti-used game DRM and then a report that Sony's also considering it, and all of a sudden EA's decision makes a lot more sense.
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Does anyone here actually think people would boycott publishers though? How large of an effect would that have? As an example, I think COD will sell a ton of copies even if Activision sent pieces of horse shit out inside everycase.

My concerns are that the average gaming consumer isn't as knowledgeable as we few on GAF.
 
We need to get more support from Japan and try to get Gamestop on board. Used games are huge in Japan and retailers mentioning this would be crazy awesome.
 
One of Norway's biggest papers has the story on their front page:

http://www.pressfire.no/nyheter/PS4/7008/Spillere-bnnfaller-Sony-ingen-kopisperre (part of "Dagbladet")

TRANSLATED:

GAMERS BEG SONY: NO DRM!

(PressFire.no): - Sony hasn't overlooked the last weeks PR-nightmare Microsoft's been through. The events this week have heavily moved them in the direction of "Okay, we'll drop it". Do you want to give them the extra push?

That's what "famousmortimer" asks, a user on the gaming forum NeoGAF who's started a crusade in social media to advise against used game blocks and DRM on PlayStation 4.

The game forum, renown for likely being the most influential meeting-place for gamers, answered with driving #ps4nodrm to be a huge phenomenon"
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The article continues on about the coverage so far.

EDIT: Oh, I see it's already covered.
 
Key2001 said:
What would stop Gamestop and other retailers from telling their customers that they will offer them more money for their used games if they sell it to them for $0 through Microsoft's system to avoid giving anything to MS and publishers?
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Specific EULA agreements that $0 sales cannot occur to an institution such as Gamestop.
 
I'm really looking forward to seeing what Sony says.

If they confirm no anti-used games DRM, so many people will embrace them.

If they have a restrictive DRM system, the backlash is going to be insane--maybe even more so than when Microsoft announced theirs last week because of the intense work people are putting into getting the word out.

Fascinating times.
 
falconzss said:
What happened here since my last post? Pretty grim mood suddenly.
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There's conflict about the direction we should take. Some people want to focus on MS primarily rather than Sony. Personally, I don't see how that makes sense when Sony has been the focus the entire time, though I'm not against sending MS some tweets as well.

A shift in focus now is going to undo everything that's been accomplished so far.
 
I see some people using the hashtag to put their own message like:

Austin Keller @ImAustinKeller
People riding the #PS4NoDRM wagon do realize that studios lose a lot of money due to Gamestop and the selling of used copies?
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Why do so many people immediately think of this? Why don't they think about stuff like:

1. People trade in games to afford new ones
2. Private reselling (aka not to gamestop) which again can help afford new games
3. Borrowing/lending games. ie Xbox Ones solution would most likely cause issues with that

etc

It's ALWAYS "but but devs/pubs lose money to GS because of used games".
 
We're really doing it, guys. We're really doing it. Judging by the response from some of the executives I would wager that Sony is at least thinking this one over.
 
MogCakes said:
There's conflict about the direction we should take. Some people want to focus on MS primarily rather than Sony. Personally, I don't see how that makes sense when Sony has been the focus the entire time, though I'm not against sending MS some tweets as well.

A shift in focus now is going to undo everything that's been accomplished so far.
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Who's saying focus on Microsoft? I think at worst, most people are saying that tweets should be made about both. No focus should be taken away from Sony at all, and I don't think anyone's advocating that.
 
GuardianE said:
Who's saying focus on Microsoft? I think at worst, most people are saying that tweets should be made about both. No focus should be taken away from Sony at all, and I don't think anyone's advocating that.
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We should just continue what we were doing so far. Keeping the general tone of this focused on Sony, since all the media coverage has been about Sony.
 
Krusenstern said:
This is massive. Sony just has to respond to this in some way.
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From a PR perspective, and in the interest of actually minimizing the fallout from a DRM-centric go-forward strategy, Sony should probably just release a statement now saying "We will announce our plans at e3".

It shuts everyone up for 2 weeks (or at least quiets everyone down) kills the momentum of this campaign, and at worst, when they announce what they are actually doing come e3, they're no more of a villain than Microsoft. Then they can at least distract us with sweet sexy hardware, games, and exciting announcements at e3 conference to take some of the stink off.
 
Stuart444 said:
I see some people using the hashtag to put their own message like:



Why do so many people immediately think of this? Why don't they think about stuff like:

1. People trade in games to afford new ones
2. Private reselling (aka not to gamestop) which again can help afford new games
3. Borrowing/lending games. ie Xbox Ones solution would most likely cause issues with that

etc

It's ALWAYS "but but devs/pubs lose money to GS because of used games".
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That Austin Keller tweet really rustles my jimmies. If Gamestop is the publishers/developers problem, why are consumers the solution?

This makes me so mad.
 
I'm going to keep posting on my twitter at least once a day, and at least once a day on my FB. Keep it up guys - persistence is the key thing IMO. Word will spread from there.
 
PaNaMa said:
From a PR perspective, and in the interest of actually minimizing the fallout from a DRM-centric go-forward strategy, Sony should probably just release a statement now saying "We will announce our plans at e3".

It shuts everyone up for 2 weeks (or at least quiets everyone down) kills the momentum of this campaign, and at worst, when they announce what they are actually doing come e3, they're no more of a villain than Microsoft. Then they can at least distract us with sweet sexy hardware, games, and exciting announcements at e3 conference to take some of the stink off.
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What part of "nothing stops this train" do you not understand?
 
GuardianE said:
Who's saying focus on Microsoft? I think at worst, most people are saying that tweets should be made about both. No focus should be taken away from Sony at all, and I don't think anyone's advocating that.
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That's the inevitable outcome of abandoning the original laser-focused message. The power here comes from thousands of people saying the exact same thing to one company. Splitting things up only gives both companies confidence that they can whether the storm.

But whatever, clearly this is the direction we are now forced to go. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
PaNaMa said:
From a PR perspective, and in the interest of actually minimizing the fallout from a DRM-centric go-forward strategy, Sony should probably just release a statement now saying "We will announce our plans at e3".

It shuts everyone up for 2 weeks (or at least quiets everyone down) kills the momentum of this campaign, and at worst, when they announce what they are actually doing come e3, they're no more of a villain than Microsoft. Then they can at least distract us with sweet sexy hardware, games, and exciting announcements at e3 conference to take some of the stink off.
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I think they already have in one of the articles where they reached out to them. Don't know which one though.
 
PaNaMa said:
From a PR perspective, and in the interest of actually minimizing the fallout from a DRM-centric go-forward strategy, Sony should probably just release a statement now saying "We will announce our plans at e3".

It shuts everyone up for 2 weeks (or at least quiets everyone down) kills the momentum of this campaign, and at worst, when they announce what they are actually doing come e3, they're no more of a villain than Microsoft. Then they can at least distract us with sweet sexy hardware, games, and exciting announcements at e3 conference to take some of the stink off.
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Spot on.

From Sony's point of view, releasing a very vage statement would be the best option at this point (until E3, at least).
 
Krusenstern said:
We should just continue what we were doing so far. Keeping the general tone of this focused on Sony, since all the media coverage has been about Sony.
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MogCakes said:
There's conflict about the direction we should take. Some people want to focus on MS primarily rather than Sony. Personally, I don't see how that makes sense when Sony has been the focus the entire time, though I'm not against sending MS some tweets as well.

A shift in focus now is going to undo everything that's been accomplished so far.
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Sounds about right. We've been throwing all our weight in that direction for the last two days.
 
Baller said:
That's the inevitable outcome of abandoning the original laser-focused message. The power here comes from thousands of people saying the exact same thing to one company. Splitting things up only gives both companies confidence that they can whether the storm.

But whatever, clearly this is the direction we are now forced to go. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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We're "forced" to go in this direction? It's the same message. There's no separation or distinction. People who have been tweeting Sony will continue to tweet Sony. If people feel like it, they can tweet Microsoft as well. This isn't like splitting up a mob. The numbers are still there.

But whatever. I've done my part and tweeted as many people as I could the #PS4NoDRM tag and messages. This thing remains positive no matter what.
 
Great things are happening because of this thread. Lets focus on that.
If you dont want to include MS in your tweets and hashtags, dont. If you do, do.
 
GuardianE said:
Who's saying focus on Microsoft? I think at worst, most people are saying that tweets should be made about both. No focus should be taken away from Sony at all, and I don't think anyone's advocating that.
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Miles Quaritch said:
Unified under a Sony banner? Everyone is seemingly ignoring the more important fact that MS actually plan this feature whereas Sony were only rumoured to be doing it.

We should be focusing on MS much more than Sony, but alas...console/brand allegiance BS seems to be getting in the way.
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This guy is one.
 
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Salaadin said:
Great things are happening because of this thread. Lets focus on that.
If you dont want to include MS in your tweets and hashtags, dont. If you do, do.
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That is probably a fine consensus for everybody. Though I have to add "Never change a running system"! :-D
 
GuardianE said:
We're "forced" to go in this direction? It's the same message. There's no separation or distinction. People who have been tweeting Sony will continue to tweet Sony. If people feel like it, they can tweet Microsoft as well. This isn't like splitting up a mob. The numbers are still there.

But whatever. I've done my part and tweeted as many people as I could the #PS4NoDRM tag and messages. This thing remains positive no matter what.
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Not gonna ever (I know it is low) have even a chance of trending the #ps4noDRM everyone chooses Microsoft or Sony to tweet. I guess at this point that's not a goal anymore.
 
Minions said:
Not gonna ever (I know it is low) have even a chance of trending the #ps4noDRM everyone chooses Microsoft or Sony to tweet. I guess at this point that's not a goal anymore.
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Why choose? Why not do both?

You guys aren't voting here. You're not committing yourself to one hashtag. It's in the interest of everyone to get both messages across... not waver in either.

Regardless, I'm supporting #PS4NoDRM, regardless of how people feel a general thread should be named.
 
GuardianE said:
Why choose? Why not do both?

You guys aren't voting here. You're not committing yourself to one hashtag. It's in the interest of everyone to get both messages across... not waver in either.
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Well depends how much you want to write and to how many people. There is limited space in tweets after all.
 
I'm proud of how big this has gotten, especially considering how it started. I've actually been here to see it from the very beginning, quite impressive :)
 
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