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Parallax Scroll
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LOL this got stupid again.
Passive Assassin
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Webster turns heel? WHO CAN I TRUST NOW?!
Beast Legacy
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Nothing is going to change if people keep taking potshots at each other as whole communities rather than addressing the problems by each individual person that's actually responsible for them. Stop with these blanket "Fuck Capcom community" and "Fuck NRS community" statements, it's nonsense that doesn't help and just increases the animosity between sides.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
He's real.
I actually met Brian (known as Karate Lincoln at the time) at the very first tournament I ever went to: a small, not at all noteworthy free-to-enter 8-player TvC side tourney at an anime con in my hometown (Huntington, WV). He definitely stuck out enough to leave an impression on me.
When that "I'm not a real n*****" video blew up, I had one of those "woah, small world" moments.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
DevilMaySpy impressions are the best.
Passive Assassin
Member
And here we go again.
Only NRS has enough jank in their system to faithfully characterize ODB.
So this went down exactly as expected. All weekend they got themselves hyped up on "Fuck Keits! Fuck UFGT!" Then they all started making declarations on Twitter about the huge blow ups that were gonna happen. Earth-shattering, monumental blow-ups that would change the FGC forever! Then, after the people who were focused on running UFGT could pay a little attention to this, it turned out there wasn't much controversy. Then all the guys on the rage train blew themselves up on OBS because they had absolutely nothing constructive to say and just made themselves look like assholes. At the same time, the scene feels a bit devalued for it, but that feeling is just temporary until we get some more hype matches in our system.
Props to those who confronted these guys and keits for not getting super dragged into it, despite being the target. It was obvious these dudes were going to hang themselves all on their own. Their goal is to get someone down to their level just so they have some to keep the drama going and validate their egos. The only way to win is to not play /war games
We can only hope these predictable motherfuckers manage to feel enough shame to shut the fuck up, eventually.
Props to those who confronted these guys and keits for not getting super dragged into it, despite being the target. It was obvious these dudes were going to hang themselves all on their own. Their goal is to get someone down to their level just so they have some to keep the drama going and validate their egos. The only way to win is to not play /war games
We can only hope these predictable motherfuckers manage to feel enough shame to shut the fuck up, eventually.
Smooth Operator
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call_kotaku
Member
Wouldn't bet on that, even with bison dollars.
I should probably get a ps1 pad too then, huh? IIRC all of the official ps2 controllers had analog buttons, although very few games actually made use of them.
This weekend made me want to hit a future UFGT, provided it ran a game I wanted to play and was on another weekend. (Memorial Day weekend there are like 3-4 events I'd go to before a major) I was impressed.
I hope TFC is run the same way as UFGT.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Getting caught up on all the OBS drama I missed from last night...sigh. This is why the NRS community can't have nice things. That community really needs some more leaders to step up and show that they ain't about that shit.
This is the weirdest comparison. Injustice is a new game that has a lot of momentum, gets a lot of entrants, and gets a lot of stream numbers. Persona and SFxT aren't those things. Remember when SFxT headlined NCR when it was new? The Persona comparison is kind of valid because after it came out it got the 9am slot at its first major (DoA had a much better slot at that event), and I really had a big issue with that when it happened too, but Persona was never going to have broader appeal in the FGC like Injustice has a shot at.
lol
This is the weirdest comparison. Injustice is a new game that has a lot of momentum, gets a lot of entrants, and gets a lot of stream numbers. Persona and SFxT aren't those things. Remember when SFxT headlined NCR when it was new? The Persona comparison is kind of valid because after it came out it got the 9am slot at its first major (DoA had a much better slot at that event), and I really had a big issue with that when it happened too, but Persona was never going to have broader appeal in the FGC like Injustice has a shot at.
EarlyEarly
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I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone complaining about the Bari Bari ball game on stream so late. I mean, switching that with injustice would have been cool right? Not main stream but whatever.
Immortal Technique
Member
It's a fairly big deal to be on the main stream. Lot more exposure for the game that way.
As a european who has to watch most of the "prime hour" finals on the archives the day after, because they begin at 4 in the morning, I find all of this talk quite amusing. While I can kinda understand the no-trophy thing, I think this schedule-drama is quite bullshit, to be honest: as long as your game's finals show up on stream, I don't get the importance of it being at 9 in the morning or 9 in the evening.
There are schedules you can check in advance, and they are archives for the things you couldn't watch.
There are schedules you can check in advance, and they are archives for the things you couldn't watch.
SloaneRisette
Member
What happened on the OBS since about 10:30 PST last night? Art was on at that point but I can't remember what he was talking about. Was it anything useful or just more stupidity?
The importance of prime stream time isn't for the community that's already there, it's to grow the community...
SloaneRisette
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Man Valle was on? Now I have to watch the archives of what I missed.
Immortal Technique
Member
The sense I got from this show is, yes, victim complex if you want to put it that way. Just.. certain people in the MK community taking this WAY too personally. I agree that ideally, a game with the entries that Injustice had, and the viewership it generally gets, should have had better placement. But, there are a lot of tournaments throughout the year, these tournaments are all independent of each other, they are run by different people, they are all going to have different schedules, different games are going to be highlighted more than others. It's impossible that everybody (all the various communities) could be happy all of the time. If all the tournaments followed the same template, that would be pretty boring anyway. But the point is, all games are gonna get the short end of the stick at times. (even AE, at some recent majors, AE top 32 /top 16 haven't been streamed at all). It doesn't mean the tournament director has a vendetta against these games. It just sucks to see people going after Keits, trying to smear Keits, trying to smear UFGT. These things do a lot more damage to your community than an unfavorable schedule slot ever could.
I'm really not convinced by this argument.
A lot of people watched and enjoyed KOFXIII at last year's EVO, and yet...
It does play a part, but I think people overestimate its influence.
get on irc scrub
DryEyeRelief
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If Injustice really is going to be the next big fad in the FGC it's going to be that regardless of timeslot, being on stream 2, whatever. I mean, that's how "whens marvel" became a meme.
I like that people want to overthrow the capcom overlords because variety is a good thing. However, you need to find better reasons to support your game other than the fact that it's the new shiny fighting game. Because inevitably, it's going to stop being a new shiny fighting game.
Smooth Operator
Member
Yeah i'm currently trying to learn the game too. It's hard
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I agree. Which is one of the reasons why I think the reaction has been way over the top, though I don't blame people for having issue with the timeslot.
Well yeah, it's definitely not a guarantee. The problem with KoF is that it's too hard for most people. I mean it might not be that hard to start with, but when you have so many characters and so many mechanics to keep up with... then you have to learn all your combos as well as those install combos (whatever the install's called in this game).
Same issue plagues Tekken (learning character matchups and frame data for each character) as well as BlazBlue (trying to figure out how each character works since they're all completely different).
Those issues definitely decrease the percentage of viewers who will eventually start playing the game. However, 1% of 10,000 is better than 1% of 1,000.
Is FightingGAF on Irc?
Immortal Technique
Member
KOF finals at EVO last year were on the main stream, Sunday, in a perfect early evening time slot.
Terareflection
Member
Those same problems plague SF and Marvel, in all honestly. The real reason is that the netcode is total shit.
Tallshortman
Member
Whens mahvel came about when people were getting bored of (mainly) SF4 on stream. It was never given shitty timeslots. There is literally no comparison.
Juicebox_FGC
Member
Absolutely true. It's one of the LEAST character-specific games I've ever played.
Hopefully the Steam release (when it happens) will have some new netcode opportunities. I wish gaming in general wasn't so online-centric that it's the primary reason not to play a game, but that's another discussion.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
So do you guys think Marvel would be a lot bigger than it already is if it didn't have shitass netcode? Marvel is almost unplayable online.
I don't think there's just one single thing that's responsible for KOF not being as big as people would like. It's a lot of different things mixed together. Though yeah, the netcode being terribad is one of them. On the other hand, BB/Persona/Tekken have godlike netcode.
I don't think there's just one single thing that's responsible for KOF not being as big as people would like. It's a lot of different things mixed together. Though yeah, the netcode being terribad is one of them. On the other hand, BB/Persona/Tekken have godlike netcode.
Terareflection
Member
Some people (on GAF as well) think Marvel's netcode is perfectly fine, though.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I've also seen people say that KOF's netcode isn't that bad. These people live in some parallel universe.
Games with good netcode dont get played
For proof look at the Evo grand final between Bala and MADKof.
Great execution and long combos VS. short combos and very smart movement and play
Terareflection
Member
I'll concede that I was one of those, because I really like the game a lot in spite of the netcode. But after playing Tekken online, I felt that I couldn't really justify bad online no matter how good the core game is. Part of the reason I am not too interested in Injustice is because the online is worse than Tekken's. I can't accept that anymore.
Marvel online is basically a completely different game from Marvel offline. It's playable, but some serious adjustments need to be made.
It'd be a lot better if the characters flashed blue during the frc window instead of the input bar so I could more quickly recognize and just see when it is. Looking through the frame data gives you general idea (like Baiken's j.D's frc is from frames 9-11) but it'd be easier if I could just see it instead.
Yeah i'm currently trying to learn the game too. It's hard
This video linked by Q in the last thread is a pretty good run through of all the basics. There's also a series of short character videos being put out to give people an idea of how these characters are played. Beyond that what sort of issues are you having with the game if any? I'm sure someone here can help you out.
Nah.
I wouldn't say Marvel is unplayable online. Plus a lot of the best players got good playing primarily online (Viscant, Flocker) so it definitely still has some sort of value.
Online is sufficient. It's not great like say SCV's netcode, but it is sufficient for lower levels of play. And netcode is a small factor in whether games stay alive, I agree with you. SCV fizzled out in weeks, KoF made it about a year, SG packed it up in a few months, etc. I don't buy that argument. But I can't really single out what was most influential in the downturn for KoF.
DryEyeRelief
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KOF suffers the same problems (they're not really problems) as 3D fighters. A lot of the action looks samey to spectators, and it has a reputation of being too difficult.
Marvel 3 came out in 2011. The expectation at the time was to stream almost the entire SF4 tournament, pool matches and all. Now we're stepping on each other toes trying to balance a dozen fighters but a couple of years ago, you got extreme tension for trying to impose on SF4 in any way. Marvel 3 wasn't magically granted prime time.
Given how hypersensitive everyone was to Injustice at UFGT makes me think how Evo will go. People talking now about how important being on stream 1 is, with appropriate time slots. Only two games are given the luxury at Evo to get their game's pools/top32 streamed and shown on stage. Is there going to be bickering about that too?
Marvel 3 came out in 2011. The expectation at the time was to stream almost the entire SF4 tournament, pool matches and all. Now we're stepping on each other toes trying to balance a dozen fighters but a couple of years ago, you got extreme tension for trying to impose on SF4 in any way. Marvel 3 wasn't magically granted prime time.
Given how hypersensitive everyone was to Injustice at UFGT makes me think how Evo will go. People talking now about how important being on stream 1 is, with appropriate time slots. Only two games are given the luxury at Evo to get their game's pools/top32 streamed and shown on stage. Is there going to be bickering about that too?
Delusibeta
Banned
Mentlegen, a scrub here. Sony of Europe is running a sale on fighting games, and I fancy a fighting game. I've already got Mortal Kombat, thanks to PlayStation Plus, so which out of that list is worth bothering with (again, using PS+ pricing). Single player existing preferable, since I'm about to go offline for an unknown amount of time.
Yes, the balance of movement and combos in KOF is just to my liking. My team is Kula/Kim/Shen, which isn't optimal by any means, but definitely strong and the team I have the most fun with. I played for a very long time, even suffering through the netcode, but after four poor ping matches that I was essentially forced to play I called it quits.
As for the good netcode games:
P4A: The game is a little too Marvel-like for my taste, pretty much get in once with one of the top 4 characters and you're done. As much as I have a tolerance for character strength fighting against Mitsuru and Aigis in tournament basically killed any desire to continue learning. Honorable mentions to Chie and Yu. I had a lot of fun with the game for the first two months, but as I became more of a PSR monster and after GUTS the more frustrating it got to play Yukiko to the point where I was doing more blocking exhibitions than actually fighting.
BB: LOL Extend, the snorefest. BBCP pls
Tekken: I am horrifically bad at 3D games, so I didn't bother. Shoutouts to Arturo's stream though.