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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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Sure we can, it was finished on time.
Dude really? I thought this was the no book thread. That to me is a massive spoiler.
kellycandthedragons
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So I just realized that Roose chuckled when Catlyn told the story about how Ned wouldn't let himself break a man's jaw at his wedding....because he knew what was coming.
"Aw, that's cute. Well, nice knowing you."
What a troll.
"Aw, that's cute. Well, nice knowing you."
What a troll.
ebullientprism
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I doubt it. Arya seems to have great scenes with awesome characters, they happen for two episodes and then they move on. Its fucking infuriating.
Sword teacher dude? Awesome. Never seen again.
Interactions with Tywin? Over way too soon.
The super cool assassin? Awesome. Not seen again.
I know they cant really linger on one forever but I really wish some would stick.
Nope.
There was an article posted back after the episode aired of him talking about how tough that scene was to write.
ebullientprism
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Yep. This scene was really great.
Androidsleeps
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I can't
wait another week.
wait another week.
Zoso Achilles
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Put some answers in bold....
Some questions about things I don't understand:
1. What happened to that Edmure guy that married the only attractive Frey girl? Are they really going to kill him after he married one of his daughters and made a powerful alliance?
Find out next time on Game of Thrones!
2. People have pointed out that Blackfish guy went to take a piss, and I believe he said he needed a tree outside, so is it possible he escaped? I don't remember seeing him die but it's hard to remember what everyone looks like with all the secondary characters.
Yep, went outside for a piss. He did not die on screen, so there is hope.
3. How in the world did they manage to slay the entire Northern Army? I mean in that hall we say a few dozen people die and Robb, Cat and Talisa, but according to you guys Robb's ENITRE NORTHERN ARMY was slaughtered as well. How do you destroy such a large force? I get that they were getting drunk and fat feasting and were ambushed/betrayed so they were caught off guard, but Robb must have had at least 10,000 men or so so if his whole army was there I just don't see how all of them could be killed so easily without some escaping or inflicting heavy Frey casualties even if they were caught unawares. Thousands of men would fight back for their king or flee to regroup and counter, would an ambush really make their numbers that ineffective?
Pretty much this. They didn't have their weapons on them and were not dressed for battle. I'm sure some tried to fight back, but besides that it was a brutal slaughter.
4. ROOSE FUCKING BOLTON! Okay, he's alive for now but were his troops spared or was House Bolton slaughtered too with the rest of Robb's Bannermen and entire army and Bolton just watched a his House get slaughtered and didn't care because he'd live and acquire wealth or power. If they weren't killed, would House Bolton really follow their leader knowing he had betrayed Robb Stark, their leigelord and King of the North. Bolton swore fealty to Robb and broke his oath and murdered him. House Bolton would either be loyal to Roose or royally pissed and revolt because they are subservient to house Stark and he was their king. Even Locke, the guy that cut off Jamie's hand, did so because he was bad mouthing them and their losing cause and he was loyal to Robb and the North.
Doubt Roose would be in on it but have his men killed. That's pretty harsh. But Red Wedding is harsh too, dunno. Find out next time I guess.
5. Would the rest of the North outside of House Bolton follow Roose as their leader or would they amass more milita troops and revolt? The North will never forget and I can't imagine Bolton ruling the North instead of Robb and everyone forgiving and following him after he backstabbed their king. When they find out they probably will kill Roose and attack house Bolton, no way their letting their king and all their slaughtered brothers and fathers who were in his army go unavenged.
Yeah, the North is is a dark place right now.
6. The Tullys will want revenge on Frey and Bolton. Cat's breastfeeding sister was neutral for a while, even when she captured Tyrion for Jon Aryn's death. Now that her sister is dead, will she help rally troops and contribute to the North's side of the war?
Littlefinger is heading to see her/marry her.
7. Littlefinger is getting even more powerful just as Varys feared. Will he do anything to avenge Cat, whom he loved?
And...
For the love of God, WHY ROBB!!!???
kellycandthedragons
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NVM
Repost.
That was terrifying.
DrForester
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I don't mean that he actually forgot, just that he wrote that bit for the onion.
Summary Man
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Why would you think that?
She should be thanking her stars that the Hound stopped to munch on some pig's feet en route!
I've had this set sitting on my iPad for about a year.
I just can't bring myself to read it because it would completely rob me of moments like last night. I am so into the TV show, I don't want it spoiled or ruined for me.
But that temptation to start reading is haaaaaaaard to resist.
Black-Wind
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Vid is cool! Gonna watch the others now :]
Seems like Dragons are magical annnnnd HUGE so ... yeah, I don't think Bran can control them.
Chie Satonaka
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This is what happened with me, too. It wasn't the dude walking to the door, but as soon as that song started playing, before Cat turned her head, I was like, "Oh no. No, no, no, no, no."
I just watched the whole scene at work. This is my third time seeing it. I've got closure, but it doesn't make watchng it any easier.
GenocidalMarshmallow
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Ah thanks man that really cleared some things up! It's still depressing though. Robb's gone, Cat's gone, Talisa and baby Ned are gone. Like you said, the North is a pretty dark place right now.
Now that crippled Bran is going North of the wall (why couldn't they have met Jon Snow, they were SO CLOSE!?) and Rickon is pretty useless despite having more than 2 lines to say this episode, it seems the only Starks or Stark allies that could help raise and rally troops and avenge Ned, Robb and Cat are Arya, Edmure or Blackfish, assuming they're still alive. I hope the latter two become good, major characters and the torch is passed onto them to be leaders of the free people of the north, not the wildlings of course.
I'd actually like to see the massive Wildling army team up with their northern brethren once they're south of the wall. They're closely related to the Northerners, I think someone on the show said the only difference between them and the wildlings is that when the wall went up they were on the right side. When the wildlings found out Jon Snow was the son of Ned Stark, one of the first men who had as much a right to the North as Ygritte and her gang, his name seemed to have some standing since the Starks were like them once. If the North had the help of all the wildlings, they could crush the Lannisters and maybe they could hold their own against Dany.
Stannis can go into exile and make fedoras for Jorah and company. Dany's really pretty so she can make anything look good.
I really hope there's some retribution for the "good guys" in the finale. i want to see at least one bad guy die. Maybe Joffrey, because of Stannis the Mannis's curse? Maybe Bolton or Frey. Maybe the sick fuck torturing poor Theon. Did sick fuck actually castrate his penis or did they leave that open ended? I remember the scene ending before he cut it off, so I wasn't sure.
How many honorable people or "good guys", or, people that aren't total sacks of shit, are left? I have Arya, Tyrion, Bran, Rickon, Jon, Dany (sorta) Jorah Fedora, Brianne, Selmy, and Theon, Jamie, and the Hound are all on the path to redemption.
Anyone else hate Sansa? I remember in one of the first few episodes of season one Joffrey tried to kill Arya and that dumbass Sansa lied about it to Robert and Ned even though had he succeded her sister would be dead which also resulted in Lady the Wolf and the farmer's boy being executed just so she could be with her "lovely prince" Bet she's regretting that now. If she would have told them Joffrey was bullying Arya and the boy and he tried to murder her, Joffrey would be in a world of hurt.
How could Sansa lie for Joffrey when he tried to kill her sister? And she'd really rather take her chances with Stannis or Joffrey than leave with the Hound at Blackwater after he saved her from the rapists? And she hates Tyrion simply because of his last name despite him always being kind to her and saving her by standing up to Joffrey in front of the royal court? She's a special kind of stupid, isn't she?
Isn't that marriage bit a spoiler? Or did I miss something from the previous episodes?
Psychoward
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=agEsiKeSqkw
Keyboard cat plays off the Red Wedding.
Keyboard cat plays off the Red Wedding.
Summary Man
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But these moments are in the book as well, so they will still be surprising, just in a different medium.
Plus, there's the added benefit of never having to worry about spoilers again.
Sansa has always been the least likeable Stark. I'm curious to see if they can make her character worthwhile or more likeable in future episodes.
MeBecomingI
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Alrighty, well... hmm. That was certainly surprising. Oh man... I guess this episode really drove it into my head that I should just stop caring about anyone in the series now, haha.
Ugh, that episode.
Ugh, that episode.
But these moments are in the book as well, so they will still be surprising, just in a different medium.
Plus, there's the added benefit of never having to worry about spoilers again.
Well, the medium is important as well. I get where he's coming from. I too want to read the books, but am refraining myself to do so because of the show. I know the books are superior, but I don't want to switch between the two, not now.
You should choose the Lannister side, they seem to have a good survival rate....for now at least.
MeBecomingI
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Yeah, I guess so. Tywin is the greatest man ever! SUCH A GOOD MAN!
The original troll. Oh man he trolled Tyrion and his first wife so hard. Good times.
Liquidsnake
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This is how I view Jaime, he could still have a great impact and redemption. But we'll see how he acts on e he gets back to his family.
kellycandthedragons
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"We mothers do what we can to keep our sons from the grave, but they do seem to yearn for it. "
Olenna Tyrell knows what's up
Olenna Tyrell knows what's up
1. I'm not 100% sure they actually became husband and wife. Walder Frey said it wasn't yet official, as they still hadn't consummated their marriage. It's likely the entire marriage was a sham. Perhaps the girl wasn't even related to him.
6. Yeah, but at this point what even constitutes "the North?" There are a collection of great Northern families still around, I'm sure, such as the Umbers and the Karstarks, but who will they rally around? What is the purpose of this war now that the Stark family has essentially been reduced to a few scattered children, and the King in the North is dead? There are so many directions the story could go. Sunday can't come quickly enough.
Zoso Achilles
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Nah that was in there. He's being sent to the Vale to court Lady Lysa and become Lord of the Vale, or protector, or reagent or something since technically the little kid Robert Arryn is Lord of the Vale.
I doubt it. Arya seems to have great scenes with awesome characters, they happen for two episodes and then they move on. Its fucking infuriating.
Sword teacher dude? Awesome. Never seen again.
Interactions with Tywin? Over way too soon.
The super cool assassin? Awesome. Not seen again.
I know they cant really linger on one forever but I really wish some would stick.
Yeah I guess that's true, but maybe it could be different now that she has virtually no family to return to. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. Man those scenes between her and Tywin were so good. Some of my favorite in the series.
What the story is doing with all these major deaths isn't only raising the stakes, but forcefully putting forth the fact that, if a character doesn't put their morals to the side to do the smart pragmatic thing, they're likely to be killed or go into ruin.
Now when you're watching the show, you'll know that virtuous, naive characters are in grave danger at all times. There was some of that after Ned's death, but the Red Wedding really emphasizes it beyond nothing else.
It's a great concept for Arya Stark in particular because she has already shown some potential for violence, and she's likely to be very hardened after these events. When/if she starts killing people who aren't outright and unambiguously evil but from her perspective need to be removed anyway, it should thus be less jarring for the viewers. It's not a world we can look at through the prism of our 21st century morals.
BurningNad
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I felt so bad for Ygritte.
You do realize that the TV show is based on the book, right? That's like saying you don't want to see Romeo and Juliet because you want the ending to West Side Story to be a surprise.
If you can read, read the books. If you can't read, have someone read the books to you.
There's a series of Westeros short stories about Dunk and Egg. It takes place almost a century before the Song of Ice and Fire, so it won't spoil anything - and chances are, they won't do it in the TV show. Try reading the first Dunk and Egg story (The Hedge Knight, I think) and see what it does for you. It's a good introduction to Martin's Westeros style and I think it'll become quickly apparent how much depth and value you are missing with just the TV show (also, you have no idea how much of the word "mottled" you are missing).
Hmm yes your triggering my memory now. Thanks.
Nameless
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Maybe she wasn't totally blowing smoke up Gendry's ass telling him he was destined for great things. Perhaps he's the Lord of Light's chosen king and Stannis is merely the facilitator. Either way it would be dumb to kill him as his claim to the throne is a nice insurance policy.
Melisandre taking the throne for herself is the best case scenario if Daenarys fails in getting what's rightfully hers. Dragon Queen or Queen of Light, I'd welcome either. The remaining usurpers must be dealt with first, though.
Zoso Achilles
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You obviously mean well, but it's not worth it. Other thread.
He's invested in the TV show now, reading the books will just ruin that investment IMO. He can read the books another time, at least that's what I might do.
ElectricThunder
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Quite a fine episode, still thoroughly enjoying the series. The chaos towards the end made it hard to keep track of the state of well being of the lot of them, but I figure at least a fair bit of that will be cleared up next week for the season finale.
I'm not sure what to think of Ygritte's situation, pretty much just reckoned it was a bid to save her given Snow probably figured he was going to die in that brawl---though on the other hand this is GoT, and the show doesn't generally take kindly to most established tropes...probably another thing that'll progress or cap off depending next week.
It is going to be such a long wait for the next season....hopefully Bourdain's new series has a much shorter hiatus than GoT else my Sunday night's are going to be once again utterly bereft of good show watchin' barring some unforeseen awesome something coming out.
I'm not sure what to think of Ygritte's situation, pretty much just reckoned it was a bid to save her given Snow probably figured he was going to die in that brawl---though on the other hand this is GoT, and the show doesn't generally take kindly to most established tropes...probably another thing that'll progress or cap off depending next week.
It is going to be such a long wait for the next season....hopefully Bourdain's new series has a much shorter hiatus than GoT else my Sunday night's are going to be once again utterly bereft of good show watchin' barring some unforeseen awesome something coming out.
Made any promises lately?
haha wow... yea I was thinking great apology Rob well done, hermph hum and all that ... I guess the guy is just happy they marry into the Kingdom and then holy shite.... don't break an oathe.
also just reading through the thread... glad to see the hammer come down in this thread... I can see now why it's so important, this show is a roller coaster
Love it
You know, after last night, I think I'm ready for a little break from this show. :lol
You gotta get on that Breaking Bad shit, man. Final season starts in August.
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