Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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kellycandthedragons said:
Well we will agree to disagree. Honestly, being pessimistic is probably the best defense mechanism possible for this show. But since I don't really connect with fictional characters, I'm okay with telling myself that she's safe for now. There's nothing to recover from if I'm wrong :)
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I mean, I'd generally agree with you. If any character on the show has plot armor, it's Dany. Followed by Jon Snow as the main Wall/White Walkers plotline dude.

It's just that we're following ordinary story logic to come to that conclusion, and it's not clear that ordinary story logic applies to this story. :P By all story logic, I wouldn't have expected all the buildup of Robb and Cat and Talisa to end in ignominious death in some no-name Lord's gloomy halls.

So, it's not that I'm trying to be pessimistic. I'm just saying that if the Red Wedding was meant to convince us that ordinary story logic doesn't apply here, it worked on me.
 
The Real Abed said:
Well, how far ahead of time did he know what was going to happen to his character? I mean the show's based on books that already exist so they can't change things too much. Surely he knew it was going to happen?
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Even if he knew in advance I'm sure that last day of filming would be tough. Probably formed a family bond with his cast mates and crew over the last 3 years. It's like leaving high school but knowing all your friends were going to stay behind.
 
kellycandthedragons said:
No I don't think it exists on its own. No one is safe...once they're part of the main story. It's just pointless to write this character who never has anything to do with most of the story. I said she has plot armor at least until she interacts with someone else. She is doing NOTHING to contribute. Her scenes are cool and all but why include a character who never affects other characters and is just killed off? To troll everyone? That's some severe commitment to a bit.
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Again, maybe not killed off entirely, and maybe not now, but she can't stay this powerful. It just does not compute.
 
Calling it now.

- Arya will become Queen (and will continue to have some sort of relationship with the Hound)
- Bran will control dragons.
- Ygritte will kill Jon Snow.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Even if he knew in advance I'm sure that last day of filming would be tough. Probably formed a family bond with his cast mates and crew over the last 3 years. It's like leaving high school but knowing all your friends were going to stay behind.
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Yeah. I guess your right. Sucks. Hope he finds good work soon.
 
Plywood said:
Via imgur,

When you lose the throne....
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& in the comments,

No idea if true.
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I doubt it's true, but it still kind of sucks when your breakthrough role just gets killed, lol

CyclopsRock said:
Calling it now.

- Arya will become Queen (and will continue to have some sort of relationship with the Hound)
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I hope you mean a purely platonic relationship
 
Cyan said:
I mean, I'd generally agree with you. If any character on the show has plot armor, it's Dany. Followed by Jon Snow as the main Wall/White Walkers plotline dude.

It's just that we're following ordinary story logic to come to that conclusion, and it's not clear that ordinary story logic applies to this story. :P By all story logic, I wouldn't have expected all the buildup of Robb and Cat and Talisa to end in ignominious death in some no-name Lord's gloomy halls.

So, it's not that I'm trying to be pessimistic. I'm just saying that if the Red Wedding was meant to convince us that ordinary story logic doesn't apply here, it worked on me.
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But I'm not basing this off of what typically happens. They didn't "buld up" Robb and Cat. We jumped to that conclusion that they were. In fact, it's been said repeatedly that marrying her was a huge mistake. That we couldn't trust Walder. I'm basing this off of the fact that Dany has done nothing to influence the characters who make up the vast majority of the story. Because of that, her existence wouldn't make sense. It would essentially just be trolling. And there is a difference between defying convention and making a decision you know people won't be happy with vs doing something solely for the purpose of making people unhappy. Killing Dany before she affects the other stories would be the latter, in my opinion. That would mean that (I know we shouldn't mention the books, but its stupid to ignore that they exist) GRRM took the time to write at least two books in which she was present. He wasted time and energy on this storyline which would eventually be completely useless and could have made a separate book series and made him more money. That would mean that the show runners decided to hire extras, make props, invent languages, entirely to mess with people. I get the idea of "no one is safe" but there comes a point where it just goes so far beyond practicality and you're just messing with people.
 
CyclopsRock said:
Calling it now.

- Arya will become Queen (and will continue to have some sort of relationship with the Hound)
- Bran will control dragons.
- Ygritte will kill Jon Snow.
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Lol. I thought this. But could she really do it?
I don't think so. Jon gave her pleasure she had not known, I don't think she could kill him.
 
Steelyuhas said:
Yeah he said he did that in several interviews from the past couple days.

He said almost right away. First off, he signed on the show for 3 years. Second, although he read the book content for each season prior to that season to not get ahead of himself with the character, he said people spoiled it for him almost right away.
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Damn, can't blame him. :/
Liquidsnake said:
Is there a secret to growing your beard like that?

When I do it its a jumbled mess. The only times it looks nice is when I have a barber trim it and line it up. But I want it to look kind of like this or Snow's Where the cheeks have just the right amount of hair, like in stylized patches or something.

Is that just due to the growth style?
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You have to groom and trim your beard.
 
Liquidsnake said:
Lol. I thought this. But could she really do it?
I don't think so. Jon gave her pleasure she had not known, I don't think she could kill him.
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Oh yeah. I think there'd be a typically John Snow'ish moment of hesitation, then she'll just bring the knife down.

Also...

OH SHIT. I know. Bran's going to save the north (inc north of the wall) using his mad Warging skills, and THEY will be the army that free's the "south". Arya has returned to Winterfell, taken control, but the Lannister's and/or Stannis (having taken Kings Landing himself) is marching on Winterfell. All seems to be lost when out of no where comes Bran, Holder, the dire wolf and an army of wildling. This is definitely going to happen.

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lastplayed said:
And Jon Snow will become a wight and kill Ygritte.
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Yes! And Bran will them bring him back to life by Warg'ing his brain and killing the wight inside it.
 
IDK I think Arya might be growing tired of always being too little or too late to do anything. I'm thinking she'll be more compelled to take up that assassin training offer much sooner now...
 
ASIS said:
You still think this exists in GOT? She may not die but she could easily be left in a situation where she's good as dead. It happened before to her anyway. And I really don't know what to expect anymore, but the fact the her dragons may be taken from her, or killed does not seem far fetched in the slightest.

Think about it This girl:

A) is the only one who has dragons, THREE of them.

B) is immune to fire (and I assume wildfire as well).

C) an army of over 8000 unsallied, 2000 second sons, and dothraki's on top. ALL of them are loyal to her.

D) Is filthy rich now that Yunkai is under her will.

Add to that the she has no reason to stay on the other side of the sea anymore. She's ready to sail. I'm sorry but she is way overpowered, something will happen to her to set the scales again, I just don't know what, and I don't know where. All I know is that I don't want it to happen which, again in GOT terms, means it probably will.
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Bran Stark has the potential to stop her IF she gets power crazy and becomes a threat to everyone. He can take over her dragon and eat her etc
 
Kinyou said:
I hope you mean a purely platonic relationship
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Not even necessarily that. Like, he'll become her Queen's Guard or something. I have a feeling they're going to be stuck together for a long time. I think she'll come to the conclusion tht, though she hates him, it's better to have him on her side than to have him dead.
 
kellycandthedragons said:
But I'm not basing this off of what typically happens.
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You're using story logic. Why spend so much time on this character unless the plotline ultimately intersects with the other ones? That makes sense, but it's definitely story logic.

They didn't "buld up" Robb and Cat. We jumped to that conclusion that they were.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I'm saying that they spent a lot of time on Robb's war, his relationship with his mother, his decisions, his wife, his future child, his wife's relationship with his mother, etc etc. Generally this would all be leading somewhere other than "rocks fall, everyone dies."
 
Nothing about this episode was ruined for me except for the fact that "something big happens."

So I didn't watch the episode until today but during the whole watch I was left wondering what was going to happen and when it was going to happen.

Then it happened and, yeah....that's pretty crazy.

To be honest I wish I had gone in without any sort of expectations though. It's just that you can't really avoid all the buzz.

It was basically Ned 2.0. Sucks, but at least now I can invest fully into Tyrion's storyline.
 
CyclopsRock said:
Not even necessarily that. Like, he'll become her Queen's Guard or something. I have a feeling they're going to be stuck together for a long time. I think she'll come to the conclusion tht, though she hates him, it's better to have him on her side than to have him dead.
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Ah, I see what you mean. Secretly I'm still hoping that the killer guy from season 2 shows up again and sort of becomes Arya's mentor.
 
Persona86 said:
Bran Stark has the potential to stop her IF she gets power crazy and becomes a threat to everyone. He can take over her dragon and eat her etc
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That's not going to happen. He will fall in love with her and protect her at all costs. They will then proceed to take the iron throne and burn Joffrey alive. Everyone will love them and they'll happily ever after.
 
The Real Abed said:
Well, how far ahead of time did he know what was going to happen to his character? I mean the show's based on books that already exist so they can't change things too much. Surely he knew it was going to happen?
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of course he knew but he also loved his job though... I know I would if I acted on the show...
 
Dany's arc is still absolutely terrible. Her last good scene was the vision back in season 2.

I wish Jorah would take the next boat to Westros (Ser Barristan can come along) and we could just forget about her. I think GRRM really dropped the ball when he was writing the non-Seven Kingdom stuff (including the lands beyond the wall, the S2-S3 Jon Snow arc was pretty bad as well)
 
the season 3 soundtrack is so good, by far my favourite of the 3. just like the tv series actually

the myhsa track (name of the upcoming finale) is hauntingly beautiful
 
Hasardeur said:
Dany's arc is still absolutely terrible. Her last good scene was the vision back in season 2.

I wish Jorah would take the next boat to Westros (Ser Barristan can come along) and we could just forget about her. I think GRRM really dropped the ball when he was writing the non-Seven Kingdom stuff (including the lands beyond the wall, the S2-S3 Jon Snow arc was pretty bad as well)
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uh wait, are you saying her scene in the fourth episode of this season sucked...?
 
PhoenixPause said:
uh wait, are you saying her scene in the fourth episode of this season sucked...?
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Lol really. No matter what you think of her story, that was a pretty good scene. Even if you saw it coming. I have a feeling that this season is the season that gets better with age. When you rewatch it you pick up on so much more. Like freaking scumbag Trollton releasing Jaime.
 
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