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[Chie Satonaka]

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die, and poor Robb died. I don't know if I like people saying the Starks are too honorable for their own good or that if they play dirty, they'd be alive or win.

That's just not who they are. Why compromise your values, your beliefs, etc.

Thank you for this.

People seem to think you have to be a cutthroat to survive in Westeros, and this just isn't true. As I said before, House Stark was just fine until Robert came to get Ned to be the Hand.

God. Is it Sunday yet?

 

[StopMakingSense]

What was the last we saw of Benjen? I can't remember at all.

 

[Black-Wind]

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die, and poor Robb died. I don't know if I like people saying the Starks are too honorable for their own good or that if they play dirty, they'd be alive or win.

That's just not who they are. Why compromise your values, your beliefs, etc.

He actually wasn't HONORABLE ENOUGH!

Rob said "Fuck everything, REVENGE! Home-land just got ran over?!? Keep moving forward!"

He also said ... "Ooook, I'm gonna wife one of your girls if you help me. Deal?!
... Ooook, nope, not gonna do that. Gonna wife this random ass that fell in my lap ... fuck you and yo deal! BUUUUT you can have my Uncle! Ok?! I fucked you over but it's OK!!!"

He also said ... "You mofos gonna die for killing these boys as a reasult of me and my mom fucking around on the Jamie problem! Fuck yo revenge and pain, MY revenge is all that matters! Oh? You all were just following orders from your leader? YOU DIE TO! >:["

Starks don't play to honorable for the game ... they play too dumb and short sighted. You win the Game by being the smartest and most cunning ... not with evil or good acts.

Rob made his own grave and now he's been put in it.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I still don't understand why they burned Winterfell. Who could that possibly benefit if they were planning to off Robb?

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die, and poor Robb died. I don't know if I like people saying the Starks are too honorable for their own good or that if they play dirty, they'd be alive or win.

That's just not who they are. Why compromise your values, your beliefs, etc.

I'm only admitting that I was ignorant to how this story is been treated. I should have known better...The elder Stark's were mostly by the book and they've paid the price with their lives. The youngest Stark's are in various states of duress, situations that will only, hopefully, lead them towards a fate better than those that came before them.

 

[Blader]

I still don't understand why they burned Winterfell. Who could that possibly benefit if they were planning to off Robb?

It must have been Bolton's bastard who did that, right? Which would make sense, since between the red wedding and sending Jamie to King's Landing, Bolton is clearly trying to align himself with the Lannisters.

 

[Frank the Great]

From HBO's viewer's guide.



House Stark must have the worst life expectancy in Westeros.

lol why is shae in the stark household? mistake or did i miss something?

 

[Blader]

lol why is shae in the stark household? mistake or did i miss something?

She's Sansa's handmaiden.

 

[StopMakingSense]

lol why is shae in the stark household? mistake or did i miss something?

Tyrion made her Sansa's handmaiden to hide her.

 

[jaxword]

Things we don't know:

1. Who is torturing Theon.
2. Who burned Winterfell.
3. Where is Benjen.

Book readers probably do but these are still mysteries in the show.

 

[Atraveller]

He's not the only warg, she's the only mother of dragons. She has the upper hand in this.

He's the most powerful warg, usually a warg can "mind meld" with a single kind of animal(and usually just the one he/she picked), it is shown that Bran can not only warg into his wolf, but into a lot of stuff.

Edit:He warg'd into Hodor, and Jojen seemed fairly suprised.

 

[Ephemeris]

I legit sat there in silence for a couple mins.

Someone made a gif of Silver Linings Playbook, an other member wanted a longer version SunhiLegend-style. I tried to make something, but I'm new at this, it ended up long and choppy. anyway:

Part 1:

this is too real to me right now.

 

[Moaradin]

Things we don't know:

1. Who is torturing Theon.
2. Who burned Winterfell.
3. Where is Benjen.

Book readers probably do but these are still mysteries in the show.

Didn't Roose Bolton send his bastard son to recapture Winterfell? With all the events that happened Sunday, I think it's safe to say Bolton had some part in the burning of Winterfell.

 

[defel]

Which he left on the floor like a complete bell-end.

Who enchanted it, anyway? I don't remember that at all.

Honestly Sam leaving behind that fucking dagger upset me more than Robb and Cat. Im seething even as I type this...

 

[neoism]

From HBO's viewer's guide.



House Stark must have the worst life expectancy in Westeros.

wat since when is Shae apart of the Stark household....?

nm lol

 

[Minion101]

Someone made a gif of Silver Linings Playbook, an other member wanted a longer version SunhiLegend-style. I tried to make something, but I'm new at this, it ended up long and choppy. anyway:

Part 1:

"I guess he won't feel it though" hahaha

 

[Nameless]

Things we don't know:

1. Who is torturing Theon.
2. Who burned Winterfell.
3. Where is Benjen.

Book readers probably do but these are still mysteries in the show.

I thought Theon's men burned Winterfell before they abandoned it.

 

[jaxword]

Didn't Roose Bolton send his bastard son to recapture Winterfell? With all the events that happened Sunday, I think it's safe to say Bolton had some part in the burning of Winterfell.

That's probably a good assumption, yeah.

They also said repeatedly that the Ironborne are raiding everything across the North, so there may be some factions fighting there.

I thought Theon's men burned Winterfell before they abounded it.

It's never been said in-show.

 

[kellycandthedragons]

Honestly Sam leaving behind that fucking dagger upset me more than Robb and Cat. Im seething even as I type this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca2-q541rOQ
They actually found a lot.

 

[Psychoward]

From HBO's viewer's guide.



House Stark must have the worst life expectancy in Westeros.

Isn't that a spoiler for Jon's mom?...

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Didn't Roose Bolton send his bastard son to recapture Winterfell? With all the events that happened Sunday, I think it's safe to say Bolton had some part in the burning of Winterfell.

I thought Theon's men burned Winterfell before they abandoned it.

How is it episode 9 and we still don't have a straight answer on this lol

 

[kellycandthedragons]

Isn't that a spoiler for Jon's mom?...

No? They're basing it off of what has been said in the show, not what the truth is. Or else Shae wouldn't be a member of house Stark.

 

[Psychoward]

No? They're basing it off of what has been said in the show, not what the truth is. Or else Shae wouldn't be a member of house Stark.

Alright, I completely forget any of the minor details in S1, it's been a while. Didn't even remember who Wylla was.

 

[kellycandthedragons]

Alright, I completely forget any of the minor details in S1, it's been a while. Didn't even remember who Wylla was.

When Robert and Ned are going to King's Landing, Robert brings it up and Ned says he won't talk about it. But this woman definitely has been named. Just a loooong time ago.

 

[Black-Wind]

He's the most powerful warg, usually a warg can "mind meld" with a single kind of animal(and usually just the one he/she picked), it is shown that Bran can not only warg into his wolf, but into a lot of stuff.

Edit:He warg'd into Hodor, and Jojen seemed fairly suprised.

Dragons are magical in nature so I'm thinking he can't just warg them. From what it looks like they can boost magic (the reason the warlock wanted to keep them locked away in his ... place) and they are mentally or magically connected to Daenerys. (they seem to act and respond the way she wants them to without her ever saying a word. Reminds me of Daemons from the Golden Compass ...)

And how is he the strongest Warg? That other guy had far more control over his warging power.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I still don't understand why they burned Winterfell. Who could that possibly benefit if they were planning to off Robb?

I doubt the two events are linked. And if they are, it's still a good way to fuck with your enemy. Like toying with your prey before you kill it.

 

[Sajjaja]

Someone made a gif of Silver Linings Playbook, an other member wanted a longer version SunhiLegend-style. I tried to make something, but I'm new at this, it ended up long and choppy. anyway:

Part 1:

Part2:

Part 3:

Love it. 10/10.

 

[Minion101]

Stannis named 3 people when throwing the kingsblood leeches on the fire:

"The usurper Robb Stark, the usurper Balon Greyjoy, the usurper Joffrey Baratheon"

I'm kinda expecting Balon Greyjoy getting killed and turning out to be the one torturing Theon Greyjoy. (I have not read the books)

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Stannis named 3 people when throwing the kingsblood leeches on the fire:

"The usurper Robb Stark, the usurper Balon Greyjoy, the usurper Joffrey Baratheon"

I'm kinda expecting Balon Greyjoy getting killed and turning out to be the one torturing Theon Greyjoy.

Having his own heir's dick cut off would be going a wee bit too far I'd think

 

[Black-Wind]

Having his own heir's dick cut off would be going a wee bit too far I'd think

Ehh, he doesn't seem to care about him anyway and sees the lady as the better of the 2.

 

[Minion101]

Having his own heir's dick cut off would be going a wee bit too far I'd think

Hmm I guess that's logical enough. Even for this show. Though that one dude seems to be acting on his own (killing his own guys and blaming Theon)

 

[Blader]

Ehh, he doesn't seem to care about him anyway and sees the lady as the better of the 2.

Doesn't matter which one he likes. If Balon wants his name to continue, Theon needs his dick!

 

[kellycandthedragons]

Dragons are magical in nature so I'm thinking he can't just warg them. From what it looks like they can boost magic (the reason the warlock wanted to keep them locked away in his ... place) and they are mentally or magically connected to Daenerys. (they seem to act and respond the way she wants them to without her ever saying a word. Reminds me of Daemons from the Golden Compass ...)

And how is he the strongest Warg? That other guy had far more control over his warging power.

How do we know Dany isn't a warg too? Here is why I say she could be: Remember Robb's wolf bites off that guys fingers? Well it did that when it sensed the guy was getting upset. He didn't tell the wolf to attack, it just did. That's the same thing that happened when Bran was in his coma. And Robb intimidated Jaime with his direwolf without saying a word. Then you have Sansa's direwolf who somehow stayed when she told it too, even though I doubt she'd done much training. Look at the awkward way she was walking it, almost like she didn't really care. There seems to be a natural connection between the wolves and their owners. IF the Starks are all wargs (Jojen said it was in Bran's blood, which he happens to share with his siblings), that means that it's pretty typical of a warg to have a connection with their animal outside of direct control. Which is the same thing Dany has with her dragons. So maybe Dany is a warg too and the fact that the dragons are magical doesn't matter.

And I think he(she?) meant Bran is the strongest in terms of latent ability. Potential to be great.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

How do we know Dany isn't a warg too? Here is why I say she could be: Remember Robb's wolf bites off that guys fingers? Well it did that when it sensed the guy was getting upset. He didn't tell the wolf to attack, it just did. That's the same thing that happened when Bran was in his coma. And Robb intimidated Jaime with his direwolf without saying a word. Then you have Sansa's direwolf who somehow stayed when she told it too, even though I doubt she'd done much training. Look at the awkward way she was walking it, almost like she didn't really care. There seems to be a natural connection between the wolves and their owners. IF the Starks are all wargs (Jojen said it was in Bran's blood, which he happens to share with his siblings), that means that it's pretty typical of a warg to have a connection with their animal outside of direct control. Which is the same thing Dany has with her dragons. So maybe Dany is a warg too and the fact that the dragons are magical doesn't matter.

And I think he(she?) meant Bran is the strongest in terms of latent ability. Potential to be great.

So far it seems like the story is suggesting that Bran's warg ability was manifested because of his disability. In the same way that people who lose their eyesight have strengthened hearing and such.

 

[kellycandthedragons]

So far it seems like the story is suggesting that Bran's warg ability was manifested because of his disability. In the same way that people who lose their eyesight have strengthened hearing and such.

That would be interesting. Does that mean that it would take really stressful events for it to manifest in the others? Because if they have the same gift at all (I'm really stuck on that "it's in your blood" line), I think Arya's should be manifesting pretty damn soon lol. Her life...so messed up =/. It sucks that Sansa's wolf was killed because we could test this if it wasn't. She's definitely been through some traumatic stuff.

 

[Zoso Achilles]

Bran is such a powerful warg that he can even be a rock. He can have all the awesome powers of a rock like sitting still and rolling down hills. It's unprecedented.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Bran should warg into his legs so he can walk

 

[Nameless]

It's never been said in-show.

How is it episode 9 and we still don't have a straight answer on this lol

It's smoldering as Theon's giving his speech, his men knock him out and carry him out of the city, and a little while later Bran and co. find Winterfell burning and deserted exceptpt for a dying Luwin. Bran screams something like, "They burned it, they burned everything." and Luwin urges everyone to leave in case "they come back."

As Osha is leading them away, we see a clear shot of the city burning in the background. I never gave it a second thought to be honest.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Inside the Episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQsl5Bz312k

This seems to be longer than the one I watched on Sunday. Really neat.

 

[kellycandthedragons]

It's smoldering as Theon's giving his speech, his men knock him out and carry him out of the city, and a little while later Bran and co. find Winterfell burning and deserted accept for a dying Luwin. Bran screams something like, "They burned it, they burned everything." and Luwin urges everyone to leave in case "they come back."

As Osha is leading them away, we see a clear shot of the city burning in the background. I never gave it a second thought to be honest.

It's not smoldering as he gives his speech. Those are normal smoke plumes from nearby fires. The place is just grim and depressing looking. It wasn't burning when he was knocked out, they put a bag on his head, it's burned when Bran and the others see it, and we start this season with a bag being taken off of Theon's head. If any of the ironborn burned Winterfell, it was not Theon that gave the command.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaU_VpMu0cE

 

[ramyeon]

Inside the Episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQsl5Bz312k

This seems to be longer than the one I watched on Sunday. Really neat.

The irony is that this talks about the books just as much as the book readers that everyone was getting so angry at here.

 

[Blader]

It's not smoldering as he gives his speech. Those are normal smoke plumes from nearby fires. The place is just grim and depressing looking. It wasn't burning when he was knocked out, they put a bag on his head, it's burned when Bran and the others see it, and we start this season with a bag being taken off of Theon's head. If any of the ironborn burned Winterfell, it was not Theon that gave the command.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaU_VpMu0cE

Oh hell, there's a spoiler in one of those video titles on the right.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

The irony is that this talks about the books just as much as the book readers that everyone was getting so angry at here.

I'll give the showrunners a little more freedom in mentioning the boks as imspiration for what they did compared to random NeoGAF poster who might be trying to spoil things.

Besides, I don't recall very many book shoutouts. They were talking about the emotion of the event and their reaction to reading it, and their motivations for making it.

I don't see any irony at all, but whatever.

 

[ramyeon]

I'll give the showrunners a little more freedom in mentioning the boks as imspiration for what they did compared to random NeoGAF poster who might be trying to spoil things.

Besides, I don't recall very many book shoutouts. They were talking about the emotion of the event and their reaction to reading it, and their motivations for making it.

I don't see any irony at all, but whatever.

I was talking about people getting annoyed that book readers would say stuff like "He's not a POV character" or "Those scenes weren't in the books".

 

[Maxim726X]

I find it interesting that the same people who would complain that entertainment is too predictable are considering abandoning the show because characters they got attached to got offed.

Well, which is it? Now you don't want a show that isn't afraid to take a risk like this?

I personally love it.

 

[ramyeon]

Oh hell, there's a spoiler in one of those video titles on the right.

Don't look at any related videos or comments on youtube guys

 

[Psychoward]

Inside the Episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQsl5Bz312k

This seems to be longer than the one I watched on Sunday. Really neat.

Wish some of the actors chimed in, they just seem to be reiterating what's fairly obvious and what people have been saying since S1/First book.

 

[kellycandthedragons]

Oh hell, there's a spoiler in one of those video titles on the right.

Is there really? Welp, I'm not about to verify xD. Years of internet trolls has taken away my ability to see related videos or comments when I open youtube...

 

[indigo-cyclops]

I find it interesting that the same people who would complain that entertainment is too predictable are considering abandoning the show because characters they got attached to got offed.

Well, which is it? Now you don't want a show that isn't afraid to take a risk like this?

I personally love it.

So true; how boring would it be if good always triumphed, no one ever took risks, and things never went to shit? There's much more to come, why would anyone abandon it now. Moments like episode 9 are WHY you stick with a show. It's a catharsis. Fuck, now I want more.

 

[Zeliard]

The herp derp extension is invaluable for Youtube. Doesn't do much for spoilers in related videos, I'm afraid, but it does block out the viewer comments in case you randomly scroll down. Also makes the comments come out more eloquently than they do 99% of the time.