Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features

hardcastlemccormick said:
We already had a system in place where people could choose from digital or physical, with all of those benefits. Now Microsoft has eliminated the choice and made the digital worse.
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Agreed on elimination of choice sucking.

But digital downloads are actual better as there will be someway to trade them in online for credit, give them to a friend etc. apparently, where as now you can't sell or trade any games you buy on XBLA, games on demand etc. Also every game will be available to download day one.

I prefer discs so I can resell them however I want. So I'm not really on board with digital distribution unless prices go way down. But I'll still admit there are some added benefits with being able to trade them in or gift them that does help a bit.


Brushing it off as "just videogames" is a poor argument. It matters to me. It matters to a lot of other people. It's not fair to tell anyone that it shouldn't matter to us.

I mean, I won't go out of my house and protest this crap, but it's fun to shoot the shit and debate the pros and cons of the system. That's why we're on NeoGAF.
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I didn't mean it that way really. Just more that it's kind of silly to expect someone who is perfectly fine with all this DRM crap as it doesn't effect them to waste energy caring about people who are affected by it.

It's just a hobby. As long as I enjoy my hobbies I couldn't give a rat's fart whether anyone else does as the only opinion that matters on hobbies is my own as I'm the one either enjoying wasting my time on it (as let's face it, we all have more important things we could/should be doing to better ourselves or the world instead of playing games, watching movies etc.) or not. :D

If I was one who was totally unaffected by the DRM due to my gaming habits, I'd buy an Xbone and PS4 without a second thought to those who are affected and hated it.
 
Bornstellar said:
The way I see it, they have to have something in order for the large publishers to retain the PS4 as a platform.
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People keep saying this, but I imagine most publishers don't want to abandon the majority of sales in Europe and Asia by going Xbox exclusive.

Like, the suggestion that Fifa wouldn't be on the Playstation platform as well is kind of far fetched.
 
Jarmel said:
Best case scenario is that you and one other person could play at the same time which would be a megaton. You and a friend could split the cost of a game and play together.
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I agree, it would be amazing and in my opinion would make all this other restrictive bullshit worth it. My sister and I buy many of the same games to play online. We would only need to buy one copy now instead of two, effectively halving the price. If we did this across 10 family members game sales in my family could be reduced by 9/10. So it makes no sense but that is exactly how it reads to me. It is somewhat ambiguously written.
 
Delusibeta said:
There will be at least two cases Microsoft will lose, on resale rights and on Kinect being always-on.
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Would probably be the same in Australis as well.

Restricting the ability to sell to any party is also market manipulation (aka carteling); so they would probably get in trouble with ASIC as well.
 
TideTime said:
I have a reliable internet conection, I don't buy used games, I don't sell my games, but there's no way in hell I'm touching this console. The terms are outrageous and any consumer should be offended. If Sony goes an even remotely similar route I quit console gaming.

You're not getting another dime out of me M$.
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Same here, I'm already making my mind to get back to Warhammer 40.000 if Sony screws this up. Maaaan… now that I finally had a NeoGAF account.
 
Wolves Evolve said:
Fact: Sony have said PS4 doesn't need to be online.

Problem: How can games have DRM if it can't be sure it's online?

Answer: Sony will have versions of online passes.
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Hypothetically speaking, while online pass isn't cool for the second owner since they have to pay to unlock the online part of the game after getting the game cheaper used, at least this doesn't block the single-player portion of a game that they should have no right to block which is what Microsoft is doing with online check-in where you don't even own the single-player part of your game that you should be able to play forever without having to jump through any hoops.
 
These terms are hilarious. I don't play FPS games so I wasn't that interested in a new Xbox anyway, but I can't imagine anyone looking at this from the consumer standpoint and thinking it's a good idea.
 
Why don't the publishers release digital games for 15 dollars less? Oh right the retailers would freak.

Pretty much everyone else matters but consumers.
 
I am not planning on reading 100 pages but did we really have some microsoft shills in this thread white knighting this? That is hilarious if true.
 
I see the two week Microsoft spin is fooling some of you. None of that sounds good.

This is all horribly terrible.
 
I hope whatever solution PS4 comes up with, i don't need the disc in the drive. I buy mostly physical discs because they are cheaper but i want all my games instantly available to play
 
Duxxy3 said:
oh god i love your name
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Thanks


I just loved this shit from the site


"With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. OFFLINE GAMING IS NOT POSSIBLE AFTER THESE PRESCRIBED TIMES UNTIL YOU RE-ESTABLISH A CONNECTION, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies"


So i should thank you for letting me use it as something other than a game machine if no internet available?
 
Wildstar75 said:
I agree, it would be amazing and in my opinion would make all this other restrictive bullshit worth it. My sister and I buy many of the same games to play online. We would only need to buy one copy now instead of two, effectively halving the price. If we did this across 10 family members game sales in my family could be reduced by 9/10. So it makes no sense but that is exactly how it reads to me. It is somewhat ambiguously written.
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Kotaku or anyone really, needs to directly ask about the simultaneous part. This would be a huge deal if even one person is allowed simultaneous use.
 
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Wow. Looks like MS finally let all the info hang out. For all to see. With no shame whatsoever. They put the rumors to rest. The beginning of the end.
 
TideTime said:
I have a reliable internet conection, I don't buy used games, I don't sell my games, but there's no way in hell I'm touching this console. The terms are outrageous and any consumer should be offended. If Sony goes an even remotely similar route I quit console gaming.

You're not getting another dime out of me M$.
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This.

I think the other thing that bothers me is that I can no longer have a game to call my own. It sounds like an odd thing, but I really do value buying a product and having that product be mine, retrievable even after extended periods of time.

If Sony does this, I'm getting a super smash bros. machine and migrating to PC.
 
JrBaconCheeseburger said:
Been busy working and just saw this, WTF?


So basically it's not the end of Gamestop . It all works to their benefit.


Ha Ha


Bullshit.
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Anyone that though GameStop and all their retail presence would go away was fooling themselves. The industry used them as a scapegoat for horrible management and to guilt consumers into feeling bad for using their rights, and now they're going to be in bed with them more than ever. They just wanted some of that Gamestop money because they felt entitled to it.
 
Revan said:
You know, this level of asshatery has really polluted the MS ecosystem.

Windows 8 - desktops and laptops are impossible to navigate and use because of the tablet interface and caused PC sales to drop massively because the interface was absolute shit.

Office - is moving towards becoming completely subscription based and regulated on where you can install it and how long you can use it for (meaning you don't pay your month/year subscription fee the software becomes dead). The next iteration of Office probably won't have a one time purchase option.

Xbox One - probably the most anti-consumer product released in recent memory (as everyone has been talking about the last few weeks).

I'm amazed at what they've become - only a few years ago, with Windows 7, Office 2010 and the Xbox 360 did the company seem like it was on the top of it's game and really was moving forward with a vision.

Now? Everything they have done in the last year or so has been just absolutely horrific from a consumer standpoint.

They'll still make an ungodly amount of money but I'm afraid that going this route is going to set a precedent, especially if it is successful, that will allow more and more companies dictate the rights of the everyday consumer, thus taking away the basic freedoms of being able to resell purchased goods. It's almost like a capitalistic version of communism (yes I know what I just said and what it means).

Good luck to MS - they sure as hell won't be getting my cash. Sony either if they follow suit.
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That's what freaks me out. The Office example is a great one. Why would you pay for that when you have Open Office FOR FREE doing the same shit MS Office does?

No reason, no reason at all. People should be saying fuck you and installing Open Offices in their computer, but no, Joe six pack keeps buying the shit they put out.

I'm extremely concerned that gamers will do the same with the XBone.

And that ruins the playing field for everyone.
 
dmaul1114 said:
Agreed on elimination of choice sucking.

But digital downloads are actual better as there will be someway to trade them in online for credit, give them to a friend etc. apparently, where as now you can't sell or trade any games you buy on XBLA, games on demand etc. Also every game will be available to download day one.

I prefer discs so I can resell them however I want. So I'm not really on board with digital distribution unless prices go way down. But I'll still admit there are some added benefits with being able to trade them in or gift them that does help a bit.

I didn't mean it that way really. Just more that it's kind of silly to expect someone who is perfectly fine with all this DRM crap as it doesn't effect them to waste energy caring about people who are affected by it.

It's just a hobby. As long as I enjoy my hobbies I couldn't give a rat's fart whether anyone else does as the only opinion that matters on hobbies is my own as I'm the one either enjoying wasting my time on it (as let's face it, we all have more important things we could/should be doing to better ourselves or the world instead of playing games, watching movies etc.) or not. :D

If I was one who was totally unaffected by the DRM due to my gaming habits, I'd buy an Xbone and PS4 without a second thought to those who are affected and hated it.
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Are you saying in general? I assume we will be able to sell/trade in games whether they are digital or disc. At least I hope so. If not, this blows even more than I thought.
 
Shoeless said:
I'm unbelievably curious about how the general American market is going to react to this.
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Nearly 60% of all cell phones in the US are smart phones. This model of DRM, aside from the physical part of the equation, is already mostly familiar to anyone who buys iOS and Android apps, or software from DD storefronts, like Steam and Origin. There's no doubt that this will be a transition that will peel off some previous consumers, whether by lack of requirements or by lack of interest, but most people adapt very quickly when the product is something they like. Consumers, even hardcore ones, I think, are generally very pliable when it involves something they cannot quite get somewhere else. Are people going to skip consoles games over this? I don't think very many will since, to them, games are an ephemeral experience whose value is only in memory after finished. This is probably the average person selling or trading their games into a Gamestop or other big chain who takes trade. This is also the average person that rents games from GameFly or Redbox. Games, to most people, I think, are transitory and therefore disposable. Can't say I blame them as games are, in fact, mostly disposable entertainment as they were designed to be a product to maximize sales, not necessarily serve a loftier intent of making interactive art or focusing themselves on being an expression. It's a business, after all, but especially on the console side. Just how many leave or get left behind will determine whether it's a contracting market in a couple of years or a growing one. Gonna say it...I think this is like people spending all of those years railing against Steam and the rise of the very nearly DD-only PC market in the US. It will overwhelm and become the new norm. Not saying people shouldn't feel like they can make a difference if they want to or if they feel compelled to, with regard to educating others and trying to mount some form of organized protest in addition to not buying, but let's face some serious reality about who the main audience consoles are aimed at going forward. It's not people on NeoGAF. Current gen/last gen is basically the tail-end of the traditional console era. You can tell because there are all of these bones and fossils of the animals that used to run things then. Maybe next-gen is the last gasp of the traditional model, but the changes are all informed by what's going on all around consoles. Stump and others are right in that there needs to be more positives given for the stricter control over the games, like MUCH nicer prices and more frequent sales. I see the next-gen consoles as all having those things, eventually or from nearly the start.
 
Sounds ok to me. I currently use a US model 360 and am living in Japan. My internet never goes down, I never sell or trade-in used games anyways, and I don't have any other friends here who play on American 360 games. Also, I'm not currently able to use the vast majority of services outside of Xbox Live anyways.

As long as the games look good then I'm in.
 
That 24 hour phone home is honestly the worst thing ever. OK, always online was bad, but 24 hours isn't all that much better.

Its obscene how tight they want the noose.
 
I said i would get an xb1 but at this point i don't know how i can justify supporting ms.

I cannot send a message that i am okay with these policies by buying this console.

Also i love how some of you are excited about the gifting...YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW IT'S CALLED HANDING THEM THE DAMN GAME. Unreal, some of you are so fooled.
 
strata8 said:
These two are only the case because Steam doesn't allow used games. But your 'competition' point is valid.
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The PC used game market hasnt existed in forever. Remember before Steam? The PC retail market was shit and the used game market was non existent. That's why Steam works.
 
Wow over 5000 posts in a little over 5 hours. DAMN! I sure hope you guys are letting Microsoft hear your voice as fast as you are on here.
 
Jarmel said:
Kotaku or anyone really, needs to directly ask about the simultaneous part. This would be a huge deal if even one person is allowed simultaneous use.
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There's NO point to ask.

It is 100% not happening. You guys are absolutely nuts if you think they will allow simultaneous use of this stuff.

Even Sony changed their minds with all the game-sharing going on and severely limited it.
 
With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.
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I'm surprised there isn't more discussion on how tremendously ridiculous this is.
 
The 24 hr check is way too aggressive. Other than that I don't mind the other stuff too much. The family share stuff is actually a lot better than I was expecting. Initially it sounded like other profiles on your xbox wouldn't even be able to access the content.
 
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