Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
MS is in it because they resent not getting any revenue from used games, not because of pressure. That will become more clear when Sony doesn't have this DRM authentication.
And DIVX was dreamed up by entertainment lawyers, not studios.
I think he's talking about US military personnel stationed over seas not citizens of other countries. Truth be told Xbox One is a terrible proposition for most developing countries as well.
mentalfloss
Banned
MS should have called it XBOX Online. At least the branding would then make sense and they could properly market the product.
omg that would be one of the biggest clusterfucks in gaming history
What does turned off from the mains mean?
akidnamededdy
Banned
Welp.
Because 360 made a distinction between physical and digital games. Like Steam, the One treats them as one (lol) and the same.
zeopower6
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They were planning on doing this before publishers got involved apparently.
SwiftDeath
Member
I cannot wait until someone hacks MS's authentication servers and has fun with it
You know it's going to happen
It's sad though as I cannot imagine the PS4 won't have similar
You know it's going to happen
It's sad though as I cannot imagine the PS4 won't have similar
maabus1999
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This is a strawman argument about GoG having good sales, especially since I wasn't stating DRM caused the sales. What I and others pointed out is when Steam came into being and started doing all these sales (which are done with publisher discounts, not 100% by Valve), piracy started to decrease. Steam having a good DRM just showed the consumer accepted it and most likely helped Steam convince publishers to give good discounts in the BEGGINING. GoG.com came after Steam and does good sales as a COMPETITOR with Steam and others; having no DRM or Steam having DRM doesn't come into play with this argument.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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That's exactly what it should be if you don't have a internet connection...
That's what digital distribution is for.
Except this is clearly the result of MS and Sony both wanting to go full digital with their consoles but with the obvious issue of physical media still being popular with their customer base.
With a full digital distribution model most of these hoops could be ignored since you wouldn't own a physical disc. This is the end-result of a weird in-between world where you are physically buying a digital copy via a disc.
Always online requirement would disappear, as with Steam. Don't think people could get over the no used games thing though.
Agent Dale Cooper
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I don't like dealing in hyperbole. If MS cut the servers off in 8 years or so, we'll that's bad. I'm not going to just assume its going to happen and then use it as an argument.
Unknown Soldier
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So you're willing to give up all of your rights as a consumer because you're too lazy to put a disc in a slot?
Not supporting this.
Fuck you, Microsoft. I'm absolutely fucking amazed that Nintendo's shitty online system has turned out far more favourable than what Microsoft can shit out. I'm flabbergasted.
If Sony continue with the same as Microsoft, then It's over for me. PC and Nintendo only from now on. Congratulations, Microsoft - you're destroying the hobby I've loved for twenty years. Burn in hell.
Fuck you, Microsoft. I'm absolutely fucking amazed that Nintendo's shitty online system has turned out far more favourable than what Microsoft can shit out. I'm flabbergasted.
If Sony continue with the same as Microsoft, then It's over for me. PC and Nintendo only from now on. Congratulations, Microsoft - you're destroying the hobby I've loved for twenty years. Burn in hell.
The problem I see with that is that people will complain why the premium DLC wasn't in the game in the first place. It works for a game that is already filled with content to the brim like Skyrim or Gta, but what about a Heavy Rain? And free DLC would probably be quite expensive since they always have to have mo-cap sessions etc. And I don't know what a Heavy Rain with user generated content would supposed to look like either.
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Deleted member 1235
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Hey, publishers are the anonymous ones. MS is the one telling them not to fuck off. MS needs to take the shit for this because they're the ones implementing it. No 'I was only following orders' bullshit here.
they've killed used game sales in one hit and this shouldn't ever be read any differently by anyone.
There are hundred thousands of soldiers overseas in places without internet? That can't be true, right?
Aquamarine
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But then they wouldn't be able to trick some poor unsuspecting casual purchasing the XBONE who doesn't realize he's being subjected to mounds of arbitrary DRM being pushed down his throat.
you have had the option for digital for 8 years don't need this DRM for that.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Which would only affect the ONLINE portions of games and have no effect on single player.
Be great if someone could tally up the dead
This guy did
You're part of the problem.
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Deleted member 752119
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Didn't they already say previously that they'd come up with some exception system for soldiers overseas and other special cases? Sometime of special activation code etc.?
I seem to recall some statement about that after the reveal conference.
So I can only resell my games at Gamestop, Bestbuy etc? I don't mind that much considering they usually have trade 2 deals or so. Here in Canada Futureshop tends to even have Trade 1 game for $40. If they just gave us the option for resale (since I like to purchase games from other people rather than retail) I'd be happier. This news is meh... and wow this thread is moving almost as fast as a press conference thread lol.
Lol is there any other industry that restricts where you can resell it's products? I'm hoping game prices come down as in $30-$40 otherwise this is the last console generation. What if I have a gameshop near by that isn't a participating retailer for trade ins? Why are people being punished for supporting the industry?
Lol is there any other industry that restricts where you can resell it's products? I'm hoping game prices come down as in $30-$40 otherwise this is the last console generation. What if I have a gameshop near by that isn't a participating retailer for trade ins? Why are people being punished for supporting the industry?
No idea, really. I've never looked up any numbers on that.
Totally in agreement here.
I'd say that because no one has challenged them over it in court?
Do some searching and you'll find numerous examples of Valve/Steam giving refunds for various scenarios as a "favour" to the user; because they know damn well that if they refused they are breaking your consumer rights (Faulty goods; 7 day cooling off period for digital transctions etc, applies to AU/UK et al) They don't admit that, hence the "favour"
Like with Steam purchases... you are offered a game for sale; you purchase the game, and you are supplied with an invoice for the sale/purchase of said game. At no point in that transaction are you signing any kind of lease agreement.
If Steam ever tried to take your game library away; offer to take them to small claims court in your local state; it wouldn't last pissing time.
* Note: I am not a lawyer.
The remote possibility of something like that happening, is an argument in my eyes.
Magnific0giganticus
Banned
Really? then buy all digital and let them leave my physical discs alone. I take it you buy everything digital and you love it. Great for you. But I like my physical games to truly own them, not borrow them from a publisher and play it with their "permission".
Fox Mulder
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I don't know, MS isn't stupid and has lots of experience running services for businesses as well. Sony was the one that got hacked, but I'm sure MS was a large target all gen as well.
sometimes i game
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When iPhone launched servers were overloaded and people couldn't activate their phone (done through iTunes) for days. It was crazy.
It's weird to think in the future, single player games could be unplayable due to server maintenance.
Aquamarine
Member
Microsoft designed the XBONE around cloud connectivity and always-online.
For them, always-online is the future of gaming. Riding through all the ire towards it is just a "necessary step" in the evolution of video games. To Microsoft, we're nothing more than a bump in the road.
rohlfinator
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Microsoft doesn't support Windows XP only 12 years later, and they sold half a billion copies of that. What makes you think they'll support this console for decades?
CouldBeWorse
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Not all of the 1 million plus overseas troops are gamers.
xn0
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I was speaking to my local Gamestop manager this week and he informed me that Gamestop is currently trying to figure out what to do with Xbox One. That Microsoft might be incentivising GS somehow with the extra overhead of selling used games at a higher cost to the customer and effectively reducing used game sales. I'm not sure how true this is but he stated that GS and MS are currently in negotiations on repercussions of DRM and that GS was largely unaware of this move by Microsoft. He went on to say that over 50% of the overall 360 game sales came from GS and that Microsoft could be shooting themselves in the foot from a retailer perspective, and implied that it is very possible that Xbox One will get less floor space than the WiiU and GS will not promote the console nor hold midnight releases for xbox exclusives. Either way it sounds like the relationship is somewhat strained.
maabus1999
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The LIVE infrastructure is just like making an analogy to the network of Apple, Google, or Facebook. Once you start to build up contacts, titles, memories, etc... on one, you start to get vested as a consumer. PSN is the same now for those vested in it.
Those networks are by design to keep people within that network by playing off consumer psyche. I just used the COD crowd since it is the largest I believe. And the people will transition to new tech easier then you think. Just look how people line up and purchases new tablets, phones, gadgets, etc... that get appropriate marketing. Some may not be "day 1" but the transition to the 360 to X1 and PS3 to PS4 will be quicker then you think, unless the price is WAY outside the market segment.
May not believe me but I'm just stating this as someone who has experience in corporate finance and marketing with consumers (not with games, but it doesn't matter as consumer habits scale across industries).
The good thing is that people without internet will boycott it automatically.
Neither, he plays whilst driving lol ;oP
akidnamededdy
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Nahh, I'm sure retailers will pay big fees to become "XBox One Authorized Trade Centers" and then the cost of those fees will be passed on to us in one form or another.
Hurray next gen!