Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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#TeamStannis
#Teamwhitewalker
#TeamMargaery
 
I'm quite fond of Margaery, so I'm fully expecting either Cersei or Joffery to murder her next season.

Or she murders them.
I think that in the midst of the Starks having revenge stripped from them, we forgot that the Tyrells are going to be giving the Lannisters plenty of trouble. So while the Starks may not get their happy ending, at least we have hope for the Tyrells to own the Lannisters. I bet they'd be really good at it too, making things look like accidents. "Joffrey wanted to show me how awesome he is at hunting. Then he fell off a bridge and died." OR, how great would it be if Cersei's son died the way she killed Robert?! Get him nice and drunk/distracted and let a boar get him. Perfect.
 
Or she murders them.
I think that in the midst of the Starks having revenge stripped from them, we forgot that the Tyrells are going to be giving the Lannisters plenty of trouble. So while the Starks may not get their happy ending, at least we have hope for the Tyrells to own the Lannisters. I bet they'd be really good at it too, making things look like accidents. "Joffrey wanted to show me how awesome he is at hunting. Then he fell off a bridge and died." OR, how great would it be if Cersei's son died the way she killed Robert?! Get him nice and drunk/distracted and let a boar get him. Perfect.

The irony.

I'm concerned for her though because Joffery is so unpredictable. All Cersei would have to do is find a way to plant it in his ear that he's being manipulated, and whoop. But I do agree with Blader in that she's playing the game. Olenna Tyrell is crafty too. Maybe it'll be the Tyrells that ruin the Lannisters.

Or soften them up for Arya. ;D
 

ShinAmano

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Theon - ever since he was taken as Eddard's ward, he never felt he truly had a home. He's been more than punished for his sins - enduring at least several months of brutal torture, including castration.

Jaime - believes he had been misunderstood ever since he slew Aerys. He believes the name Kingslayer is a huge injustice. Joined the King's Guard at the age of 15 so that he wouldn't have to part with Cersei, only to be torn apart from her anyway (until some many years later). This left him stuck for life in his duty as a member of the King's Guard, being forced to protect the Mad King and witness all his atrocities - including that which was done to Rickard and Brandon Stark. His pride was greatly wounded after having been a prisoner in Riverrun for over a year and having his hand sliced off, which has shattered his sense of self-worth and identity.

Theon - he killed 2 innocent kids.

Jamie - boo fucking hoo.
 
The irony.

I'm concerned for her though because Joffery is so unpredictable. All Cersei would have to do is find a way to plant it in his ear that he's being manipulated, and whoop. But I do agree with Blader in that she's playing the game. Olenna Tyrell is crafty too. Maybe it'll be the Tyrells that ruin the Lannisters.

Or soften them up for Arya. ;D

Yeah it will always be preferable to have the Starks get their revenge, but I'm equally happy seeing bad things happen to the Lannisters. Would it be more fitting for the Lannisters to all die, or for them to be alive but in really terrible circumstances? I feel like death would be too kind for (some of) them at this point...
 
Yeah it will always be preferable to have the Starks get their revenge, but I'm equally happy seeing bad things happen to the Lannisters. Would it be more fitting for the Lannisters to all die, or for them to be alive but in really terrible circumstances? I feel like death would be too kind for (some of) them at this point...

I would say that they deserve a House Reyn type situation so we can make a jaunty little tune about their extinction as well, but All the Lannisters aren't horrid. Just this current batch. Additionally, Mycella and Tommen are good kids, and Tyrion is okay (though I'm mad at him by proxy of being a Lannister right now), so...

Yeah. Death is too good for some of them.
 
Theon - he killed 2 innocent kids.

Jamie - boo fucking hoo.

This is what's great about these characters. No one is forcing you to sympathize for them. If you hate them, you're perfectly justified.

I personally feel that in the case of Jaime and Theon, they have done unforgivable things, but they aren't fundamentally bad people - they just had paths that led them astray. That doesn't mean their actions are excused.

But I root for them because I see the humanity in them. If you root against them, I'm not going to argue with you.

I'm just pointing out the fact that many characters on this show have experienced loss, and that GRRM doesn't simply give characters the world.

And when characters like Theon and Jaime, who have done very bad things, experience something like losing a hand - or worse in Theon's case - I think in George RR Martin's world this makes them more, not less, likely to be real difference makers in the story.
 

ShinAmano

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This is what's great about these characters. No one is forcing you to sympathize for them. If you hate them, you're perfectly justified.

I personally feel that in the case of Jaime and Theon, they have done unforgivable things, but they aren't fundamentally bad people - they just had paths that led them astray. That doesn't mean their actions are excused.

But I root for them because I see the humanity in them. If you root against them, I'm not going to argue with you.

I'm just pointing out the fact that many characters on this show have experienced loss, and that GRRM doesn't simply give characters the world.

And when characters like Theon and Jaime, who have done very bad things, experience something like losing a hand - or worse in Theon's case - I think in George RR Martin's world this makes them more, not less, likely to be real difference makers in the story.

I agree...just playing devils advocate ;)
 

cashman

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Doing some random twitter browsing and Bran seems like a cool ass dude. Hodor seems... a little to friendly with Bran ( although Bran doesn't seem to be bothered by it.)
 

nomis

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Rewatching season 2, and man, fuck Theon. By the time he sacked Winterfell, he was "truly lost" just as Roderick said with his head on the block.

He deserves to be a eunuch for needing to be bludgeoned with the truth who his true family was for so long before accepting it. If he had sent that letter to Robb and hopped on the next rowboat off of Pyke he could find, maybe he would still have a dick.
 

cashman

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Rewatching season 2, and man, fuck Theon. By the time he sacked Winterfell, he was "truly lost" just as Roderick said with his head on the block.

He deserves to be a eunuch for needing to be bludgeoned with the truth who his true family was for so long before accepting it. If he had sent that letter to Robb and hopped on the next rowboat off of Pyke he could find, maybe he would still have a dick.

He was just trying to make dad proud.
 
#TeamMargaery
#TeamMargaery&Sansa for life!

They are my endgame. They'll commission a second Iron Throne, made from the charred, smitten remains of their foes, for these BFF rulers. They will rule with a velvet fist with Olenna and Varys at their sides dispensing sage and sassy advice.

DON'T TAKE THIS FROM ME GRRM!
 
Rewatching season 2, and man, fuck Theon. By the time he sacked Winterfell, he was "truly lost" just as Roderick said with his head on the block.

He deserves to be a eunuch for needing to be bludgeoned with the truth who his true family was for so long before accepting it. If he had sent that letter to Robb and hopped on the next rowboat off of Pyke he could find, maybe he would still have a dick.

No, he would have been murdered at the Red Wedding, which happened independent of anything he did, as far as I know.

And he was sent there as kind of a hostage so that his father didn't decide to do any more rebelling. What kid would find it easy to believe he was actually wanted there or anywhere else? He was constantly under threat of death and we know he saw it as being given away. I don't think it's ridiculous that he needed to be "bludgeoned with the truth." Daddy/Mommy issues tend to be pretty difficult to get over irl. Roderick might have meant he was beyond saving or he might have meant he was truly confused. Because he was. Everything he's done up until that point has been him grabbing madly for approval and acceptance. His boasting during Bran's lesson, proclaiming Robb King in the North, etc. He went about it in shitty ways and did terrbile things, so sure, fuck Theon. But I understand why he made those decisions so I don't FULLY hate him or thing he deserves to have his dick cut off. Such a thing should be reserved for the worst of the worst men. And even then, I'd think twice about it. Just my opinion.
 

Cyan

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She's actually playing the game though. I could definitely see her outliving some other major characters. Like Joffrey, if we're lucky. :lol

I've got high hopes for the Joff biting it as the big episode 9 event next season. Hell, they can spend the entire episode on a lingering, pathetic death for him, I'd be down for that.

#TeamMargaery&Sansa for life!

They are my endgame. They'll commission a second Iron Throne, made from the charred, smitten remains of their foes, for these BFF rulers. They will rule with a velvet fist with Olenna and Varys at their sides dispensing sage and sassy advice.

DON'T TAKE THIS FROM ME GRRM!

That's all well and good, until she gets beheaded for witchcraft.

lol Anne Boleyn joke.
 

Sajjaja

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No, he would have been murdered at the Red Wedding, which happened independent of anything he did, as far as I know.

You never know. Robb did treat him like a brother and just may have heeded advice that Theon would have given him, and that advice may have been against him going against Robb's promise to Frey. That's not likely though because from what we've seen, his character is act first, think later so it may have never made much difference.

Still curious how Theon will react to Robb's death at the hands of Bolton and Frey especially if Bolton's men are his captors/torturers.
 

Minion101

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You never know. Robb did treat him like a brother and just may have heeded advice that Theon would have given him, and that advice may have been against him going against Robb's promise to Frey. That's not likely though because from what we've seen, his character is act first, think later so it may have never made much difference.

Still curious how Theon will react to Robb's death at the hands of Bolton and Frey especially if Bolton's men are his captors/torturers.

I see Theon becoming worse then Joffrey.
 

nomis

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No, he would have been murdered at the Red Wedding, which happened independent of anything he did, as far as I know.

Loyalty to Robb, his brother, instead of his absentee father who disowned him could have changed the balance of Robb's next mobilization. By "bludgeoned with the truth" I mean that it took horrific torture at the hands of house Bolton for Theon to soul search and figure out who he truly loved as family his whole life.

Another thing that watching season 2 again has me questioning is peoples love of Stannis. Sure he may be "The Mannis" but his pussy-out move to assassinate his brother singlehandedly eliminated the most mutually respectful and stable outcome for the Seven Kingdoms at the time. Being a benevolent Renly on the iron throne in complete trust and partnership with Robb ruling the north. Stannis had to go fuck it all up with his voodoo. I don't think it necessarily extends to his leech trick "causing" the red wedding though.
 

Koko

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Loyalty to Robb, his brother, instead of his absentee father who disowned him could have changed the balance of Robb's next mobilization. By "bludgeoned with the truth" I mean that it took horrific torture at the hands of house Bolton for Theon to soul search and figure out who he truly loved as family his whole life.

Another thing that watching season 2 again has me questioning is peoples love of Stannis. Sure he may be "The Mannis" but his pussy-out move to assassinate his brother singlehandedly eliminated the most mutually respectful and stable outcome for the Seven Kingdoms at the time. Being a benevolent Renly on the iron throne in complete trust and partnership with Robb ruling the north. Stannis had to go fuck it all up with his voodoo. I don't think it necessarily extends to his leech trick "causing" the red wedding though.

Bend your knee or get destroyed. #TeamStannis4life
 
Another thing that watching season 2 again has me questioning is peoples love of Stannis. Sure he may be "The Mannis" but his pussy-out move to assassinate his brother singlehandedly eliminated the most mutually respectful and stable outcome for the Seven Kingdoms at the time. Being a benevolent Renly on the iron throne in complete trust and partnership with Robb ruling the north. Stannis had to go fuck it all up with his voodoo. I don't think it necessarily extends to his leech trick "causing" the red wedding though.

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Ambition? No. He's doing it because he is being told he's supposed to save everyone by Melisandre and because he was next in line to Robert. Renly comes along deciding to say "screw you older brother," so he did what was necessary to preserve the rightful order. He also seemed pissed that she got him to do it after his defeat at Blackwater. "I killed my brother!"

But I don't want to go on that long about Stannis, except to say it's not about ambition. The guy does what is expected of him and thinks others should do the same. I suspect that's why he confessed his acts with Melisandre to his wife. Conscience and all that.
 

nomis

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But I don't want to go on that long about Stannis, except to say it's not about ambition. The guy does what is expected of him and thinks others should do the same. I suspect that's why he confessed his acts with Melisandre to his wife. Conscience and all that.

Hmm, I was searching for a more accurate descriptor than ambition. Single-mindedness? In an admirable sense.

I thought about "ruthless" but thats more what I would call Balon and his pillaging.
 
Hmm, I was searching for a more accurate descriptor than ambition. Single-mindedness? In an admirable sense.

I thought about "ruthless" but thats more what I would call Balon and his pillaging.

Stannis doesn't even want to be king, that's how badass he is. He's just doing it because it's required of him by duty and honour. He's the only one without any ambition at all, which is why I'm on TeamStannis!
 

demolitio

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It's going to be hard to go back to True Blood after this season is over with. True Blood is a fun summer show that you never take too seriously, but it can't possibly replace the feelings we all have when watching Game of Thrones. It's like going from a character-driven masterpiece to a typical summer flick that's just fun but doesn't have you counting the days until it's on again.

Can we go to kickstarter to get more episodes for season 4? Yea, I'm completely joking but I wish it was possible since a lot of the little information in this show is what counts the most. It's not all about the action but the minor moves in a game of chess where each pawn is actually important to the game but easily expendable overall. Then again, apparently rooks, bishops, knights, kings, and queens are expendable in Game of Thrones as the pawns live on. :D
 

SkylineRKR

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Rewatching season 2, and man, fuck Theon. By the time he sacked Winterfell, he was "truly lost" just as Roderick said with his head on the block.

He deserves to be a eunuch for needing to be bludgeoned with the truth who his true family was for so long before accepting it. If he had sent that letter to Robb and hopped on the next rowboat off of Pyke he could find, maybe he would still have a dick.

Hardly anyone really deserves what Theon is getting lately. He would deserve a quick decapitation for his acts of treason, but not this.

And its rather obvious who toppled him. The show doesn't reveal it yet but the go ahead was given by Robb during Season 2.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Stannis is a man of rules and duty. He struggles to see past that, though I suspect his character arc will force him to.
 
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