kellycandthedragons
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I agree. Sounds horribly stupid. He's talented and all but I don't think a song about eliminating an entire family should sound that bright.
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I agree. Sounds horribly stupid. He's talented and all but I don't think a song about eliminating an entire family should sound that bright.
Hot Coldman
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This is fantastic.
The Hermit
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damn!
Tom Brohanks
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Redwall...I remember reading that when I was a kid. The feels.
kellycandthedragons
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Can someone settle an issue for me and my friend? When the wolves attacked the wildlings, was it Bran warging both of them or was Rickon's wolf just following Bran's because they're bros? My friend says she thought he was inside both, but I don't see any reason to believe that that's possible. Besides, that has to be super complicated, seeing through the eyes of both wolves at the same time.
Bran is so alpha even animals he wargs become alphas.
But it's probably a case of direwolf see, direwolf do.
Well I mean that's immediately false because Theon was unconscious.
Not if they had set the fires before Theon rallied everyone for their suicide charge, right?
I don't know. There better be an answer by tomorrow. :lol
kellycandthedragons
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I don't see where it says that. All I see is that it says it was destroyed shortly after Theon forced Bran to yield it.
It seems so obvious who has Theon after looking at these scenes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu280lSyWKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu280lSyWKk
ElectricBlue187
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I'm sure Olenna Tyrell can put two and two together.
Seriously though, that is pretty interesting. The comet comes around, and suddenly there's magic in the world again.
Funky Papa
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I'm pretty sure Olenna is planning her next move to counter Tywin's. I think she may be the Stark's best and only hope ATM, as an unruly North may deter the Lannisters from utter domination.
Frank the Great
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instead of merely a magic meteor, i much prefer to envision a comet-riding magical alien god. preferably one with a long beard and sunglasses. and he plays electric guitar.
red wedding: part deux?
i am NOT a book reader, in case this theory is accurate.
red wedding: part deux?
Yeah, it could be a cyclical thing. Every time it comes around, the Whitewalkers rise. Since it comes by so sparingly, the next group that has to deal with it is many generations removed, so they don't know how to fight them.
Ugh, it was late when I posted that. So many gods man.
Old Gods
Seven (The New)
Drowned God
Lord of Light
Is the Red God the same?
I'm pretty sure Red God = Lord of Light. Didn't Beric say something about the Red God?
Edit: Yeah, Beric says "The Red God is the one True God."
Ok good. Because Jaquen follows the Red God. Lord of Light wins.
kellycandthedragons
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I don't think he does. He says that because Arya saved them from burning, which is how the Red God prefers to have his victims sacrificed.
Well if the Red God is a true source of "magic" in Westeros and Essos, it would explain his shape shifting.
kellycandthedragons
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Or whoever taught him to kill people in plain sight also taught him the magic. The warlocks who Dany encountered had no affiliation with the Lord of Light, but they clearly had magic.
Hmm, I think it could be either.
Rewatching Blackwater now...
Varys: "My little birds tell me that Stannis Baratheon has taken up with a red priestess from Asshai."
Tyrion: "What of it?"
Varys: "You don't believe in the old powers, my lord?"
Tyrion: "Blood spells, curses, shape-shifting. What do you think?"
Chie Satonaka
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We've seen all three of those things.
Welp.
I want to know more about the Lord of Light. This is one of the most fascinating mysteries of this series.
Edit: Rewatching Season 3. I really, really hope the Blackfish wasn't in on the Red Wedding. I like him.
GenocidalMarshmallow
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Stannis should just divorce his wife and marry Dany when she arrives in Westeros because a Stanny/Dany combination would be killer and the two of them combined have the most legit claim to the throne. They both only have one facial expression so they have some things in common too.
This is ALL Sansa's fault! She is so stupid and unlikable I really hope she dies! She lied to her father and THE KING for Joffrey after he bullied the farmer's boy and tried to KILL Arya with a sword. Meanwhile Sansa's telling Arya to stop while Joffrey's trying to cut her up. Her lie causes the farmer's boy to die, Sansa's wolf Lady dies Joffrey gets off scott free, all because she wanted to be with her precious prince. Had Joffrey succeeded her sister would be dead.
How could Sansa lie for Joffrey when he tried to kill her sister? And she'd really rather take her chances with Stannis or Joffrey than leave with the Hound at Blackwater after he saved her from the rapists? And she hates Tyrion simply because of his last name despite him always being kind to her and saving her by standing up to Joffrey in front of the royal court? She's a special kind of stupid, isn't she?
So who's left in The War of Five Kings? Robb and his Northern army are dead. Unless the Northerners are pissed off at Bolton for betraying their king everyone swore fealty to and rally troops to fight him, House Bolton controls the North and is on team Lannister.
Renly's dead so that leaves Joffrey, Stannis, The Greyjoys, and of course although not officially a part of this war Dany. Stannis is the weakest, so the only real threat the Lannisters have are the Greyjoys, which looked pretty bleak and depressing and a pathetic excuse of a house.
Now that crippled Bran is going North of the wall (why couldn't they have met Jon Snow, they were SO CLOSE!?) and Rickon is pretty useless despite having more than 2 lines to say this episode, it seems the only Starks or Stark allies that could help raise and rally troops and avenge Ned, Robb and Cat are Arya, Edmure or Blackfish, assuming they're still alive. I hope the latter two become good, major characters and the torch is passed onto them to be leaders of the free people of the north, not the wildlings of course.
I'd actually like to see the massive Wildling army team up with their northern brethren once they're south of the wall. They're closely related to the Northerners, I think someone on the show said the only difference between them and the wildlings is that when the wall went up they were on the right side. When the wildlings found out Jon Snow was the son of Ned Stark, one of the first men who had as much a right to the North as Ygritte and her gang, his name seemed to have some standing since the Starks were like them once. If the North had the help of all the wildlings, they could crush the Lannisters and maybe they could hold their own against Dany.
Stannis can go into exile and make fedoras for Jorah and company. Dany's really pretty so she can make anything look good.
I really hope there's some retribution for the "good guys" in the finale. i want to see at least one bad guy die. Maybe Joffrey, because of Stannis the Mannis's curse? Maybe Bolton or Frey. Maybe the sick fuck torturing poor Theon. Did sick fuck actually castrate his penis or did they leave that open ended? I remember the scene ending before he cut it off, so I wasn't sure.
How many honorable people or "good guys", or, people that aren't total sacks of shit, are left? I have Arya, Tyrion, Bran, Rickon, Jon, Dany (sorta) Jorah Fedora, Brianne, Selmy, and Theon, Jamie, and the Hound are all on the path to redemption.
According to the HBO viewers guide (it's just about the show I don't read the books) House Bolton already rebelled once plus Bolton let Jamie go without telling Robb so I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised to see him betray the King of the North. I guess no one takes their vows seriously anymore.
Some questions about things I don't understand:
1. What happened to that Edmure guy that married the only attractive Frey girl? Are they really going to kill him after he married one of his daughters and made a powerful alliance?
2. People have pointed out that Blackfish guy went to take a piss, and I believe he said he needed a tree outside, so is it possible he escaped? I don't remember seeing him die but it's hard to remember what everyone looks like with all the secondary characters.
3. How in the world did they manage to slay the entire Northern Army? I mean in that hall we say a few dozen people die and Robb, Cat and Talisa, but according to you guys Robb's ENITRE NORTHERN ARMY was slaughtered as well. How do you destroy such a large force? I get that they were getting drunk and fat feasting and were ambushed/betrayed so they were caught off guard, but Robb must have had at least 10,000 men or so so if his whole army was there I just don't see how all of them could be killed so easily without some escaping or inflicting heavy Frey casualties even if they were caught unawares. Thousands of men would fight back for their king or flee to regroup and counter, would an ambush really make their numbers that ineffective?
4. ROOSE FUCKING BOLTON! Okay, he's alive for now but were his troops spared or was House Bolton slaughtered too with the rest of Robb's Bannermen and entire army and Bolton just watched a his House get slaughtered and didn't care because he'd live and acquire wealth or power. If they weren't killed, would House Bolton really follow their leader knowing he had betrayed Robb Stark, their leigelord and King of the North. Bolton swore fealty to Robb and broke his oath and murdered him. House Bolton would either be loyal to Roose or royally pissed and revolt because they are subservient to house Stark and he was their king. Even Locke, the guy that cut off Jamie's hand, did so because he was bad mouthing them and their losing cause and he was loyal to Robb and the North.
5. Would the rest of the North outside of House Bolton follow Roose as their leader or would they amass more milita troops and revolt? The North will never forget and I can't imagine Bolton ruling the North instead of Robb and everyone forgiving and following him after he backstabbed their king. When they find out they probably will kill Roose and attack house Bolton, no way their letting their king and all their slaughtered brothers and fathers who were in his army go unavenged.
6. The Tullys will want revenge on Frey and Bolton. Cat's breastfeeding sister was neutral for a while, even when she captured Tyrion for Jon Aryn's death. Now that her sister is dead, will she help rally troops and contribute to the North's side of the war?
7. Littlefinger is getting even more powerful just as Varys feared. Will he do anything to avenge Cat, whom he loved?
And...
For the love of God, WHY ROBB!!!???
This is ALL Sansa's fault! She is so stupid and unlikable I really hope she dies! She lied to her father and THE KING for Joffrey after he bullied the farmer's boy and tried to KILL Arya with a sword. Meanwhile Sansa's telling Arya to stop while Joffrey's trying to cut her up. Her lie causes the farmer's boy to die, Sansa's wolf Lady dies Joffrey gets off scott free, all because she wanted to be with her precious prince. Had Joffrey succeeded her sister would be dead.
How could Sansa lie for Joffrey when he tried to kill her sister? And she'd really rather take her chances with Stannis or Joffrey than leave with the Hound at Blackwater after he saved her from the rapists? And she hates Tyrion simply because of his last name despite him always being kind to her and saving her by standing up to Joffrey in front of the royal court? She's a special kind of stupid, isn't she?
So who's left in The War of Five Kings? Robb and his Northern army are dead. Unless the Northerners are pissed off at Bolton for betraying their king everyone swore fealty to and rally troops to fight him, House Bolton controls the North and is on team Lannister.
Renly's dead so that leaves Joffrey, Stannis, The Greyjoys, and of course although not officially a part of this war Dany. Stannis is the weakest, so the only real threat the Lannisters have are the Greyjoys, which looked pretty bleak and depressing and a pathetic excuse of a house.
Now that crippled Bran is going North of the wall (why couldn't they have met Jon Snow, they were SO CLOSE!?) and Rickon is pretty useless despite having more than 2 lines to say this episode, it seems the only Starks or Stark allies that could help raise and rally troops and avenge Ned, Robb and Cat are Arya, Edmure or Blackfish, assuming they're still alive. I hope the latter two become good, major characters and the torch is passed onto them to be leaders of the free people of the north, not the wildlings of course.
I'd actually like to see the massive Wildling army team up with their northern brethren once they're south of the wall. They're closely related to the Northerners, I think someone on the show said the only difference between them and the wildlings is that when the wall went up they were on the right side. When the wildlings found out Jon Snow was the son of Ned Stark, one of the first men who had as much a right to the North as Ygritte and her gang, his name seemed to have some standing since the Starks were like them once. If the North had the help of all the wildlings, they could crush the Lannisters and maybe they could hold their own against Dany.
Stannis can go into exile and make fedoras for Jorah and company. Dany's really pretty so she can make anything look good.
I really hope there's some retribution for the "good guys" in the finale. i want to see at least one bad guy die. Maybe Joffrey, because of Stannis the Mannis's curse? Maybe Bolton or Frey. Maybe the sick fuck torturing poor Theon. Did sick fuck actually castrate his penis or did they leave that open ended? I remember the scene ending before he cut it off, so I wasn't sure.
How many honorable people or "good guys", or, people that aren't total sacks of shit, are left? I have Arya, Tyrion, Bran, Rickon, Jon, Dany (sorta) Jorah Fedora, Brianne, Selmy, and Theon, Jamie, and the Hound are all on the path to redemption.
According to the HBO viewers guide (it's just about the show I don't read the books) House Bolton already rebelled once plus Bolton let Jamie go without telling Robb so I guess I shouldn't have been so surprised to see him betray the King of the North. I guess no one takes their vows seriously anymore.
Some questions about things I don't understand:
1. What happened to that Edmure guy that married the only attractive Frey girl? Are they really going to kill him after he married one of his daughters and made a powerful alliance?
2. People have pointed out that Blackfish guy went to take a piss, and I believe he said he needed a tree outside, so is it possible he escaped? I don't remember seeing him die but it's hard to remember what everyone looks like with all the secondary characters.
3. How in the world did they manage to slay the entire Northern Army? I mean in that hall we say a few dozen people die and Robb, Cat and Talisa, but according to you guys Robb's ENITRE NORTHERN ARMY was slaughtered as well. How do you destroy such a large force? I get that they were getting drunk and fat feasting and were ambushed/betrayed so they were caught off guard, but Robb must have had at least 10,000 men or so so if his whole army was there I just don't see how all of them could be killed so easily without some escaping or inflicting heavy Frey casualties even if they were caught unawares. Thousands of men would fight back for their king or flee to regroup and counter, would an ambush really make their numbers that ineffective?
4. ROOSE FUCKING BOLTON! Okay, he's alive for now but were his troops spared or was House Bolton slaughtered too with the rest of Robb's Bannermen and entire army and Bolton just watched a his House get slaughtered and didn't care because he'd live and acquire wealth or power. If they weren't killed, would House Bolton really follow their leader knowing he had betrayed Robb Stark, their leigelord and King of the North. Bolton swore fealty to Robb and broke his oath and murdered him. House Bolton would either be loyal to Roose or royally pissed and revolt because they are subservient to house Stark and he was their king. Even Locke, the guy that cut off Jamie's hand, did so because he was bad mouthing them and their losing cause and he was loyal to Robb and the North.
5. Would the rest of the North outside of House Bolton follow Roose as their leader or would they amass more milita troops and revolt? The North will never forget and I can't imagine Bolton ruling the North instead of Robb and everyone forgiving and following him after he backstabbed their king. When they find out they probably will kill Roose and attack house Bolton, no way their letting their king and all their slaughtered brothers and fathers who were in his army go unavenged.
6. The Tullys will want revenge on Frey and Bolton. Cat's breastfeeding sister was neutral for a while, even when she captured Tyrion for Jon Aryn's death. Now that her sister is dead, will she help rally troops and contribute to the North's side of the war?
7. Littlefinger is getting even more powerful just as Varys feared. Will he do anything to avenge Cat, whom he loved?
And...
For the love of God, WHY ROBB!!!???
IAmtheFMan
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kellycandthedragons
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Ehh, I thought he was just listing the things magic is rumored to be able to do. The fact that she's from Asshai was supposed to indicate that. As in, the priestesses from Asshai are known to be witches, so by saying that's where she's from, he is essentially saying a witch. I don't think he was referring explicitly to things that the red priestesses do. I thought he was saying "you don't believe in magic?" And we know in hindsight that he was asking Tyrion that question because he HAD seen blood spells performed, though not necessarily by a red priest. The woman Dany burned also used blood spells.
kellycandthedragons
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If there is any revenge to be had, it won't be for a while. I highly doubt it will be in the finale. This show doesn't work that way.
I believe they will use the marriage as an excuse to force their loyalty. Betraying family seems to be a big deal in Westeros.
If they were drunk enough to wrestle and take their shirts off, all it takes is the Freys setting up a boundary around the festivities. They're too drunk to climb over it, send in some Freys on horseback, and boom. Over.
I'd assuem Bolton left most of his men at Harrenhal, and told his own men not to drink and get out of there pretty quickly. Or at least leave their armor on or something showing that they are to be spared.
Her sister is insane. There is no reason to try to predict anything she might do.
No. This works in his favor. Send the north into a civil war, bring all the big names to his side, and start rising to power among them, while subtly driving them apart. I think he's bitter and doesn't care about Cat anymore. "You know what I learned losing that duel? I learned that I'll never win, not that way. That's their game-- their rules. I'm not going to fight them; I'm going to fuck them."
Doesn't sound like the kind of man to avenge Catelyn. If he does, it won't be in a big way. We may not even know he did it until after the fact.
CreepingFear
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After rewatching seasons 1 and 2, I'm now on season 3 leading up to tomorrow's finale. Lady Olenna is so awesome. #TeamLadyOlenna.
I had been thinking he was just killed off quietly, but the more I think about it, it seems more likely they'll just hang onto him. He's not exactly a threat to anyone, and as the head (I think? Unless it's Blackfish) of House Tully he's quite valuable, since Tully controls one of the seven kingdoms.
Wait, now I'm confused myself. It's seven kingdoms, right? Starks have the North, Tullys have Riverrun, Arryns have the Vale, Theon's fam has the Iron Islands, Lannisters have wherever they're from, Tyrells have wherever they're from, Baratheons have Stannisland. That's already seven, but then what about King's Landing? Or am I counting something that shouldn't be counted?
They didn't show him dying, and "hey I'm conveniently leaving right before everyone dies" is usually TV shorthand for the character surviving. On the other hand, this is Game of Thrones, so who knows.
I think this is confusion due to book stuff. Preview spoilers:
I'm pretty sure we're going to see the army getting slaughtered at the beginning of the next episode. Some people just got ahead of the game due to book knowledge.
I really doubt they'll care. Feudal fealty is an odd system. Bolton owes (owed) allegiance to the Starks, but Bolton's men owe allegiance to Bolton. When allegiances are split, well, they'll probably default to their main allegiances. Remember, when Robb executed Karstark, his men left, they didn't stay behind just because the Karstarks owed fealty to the Starks.
So, to the extent that Bolton is forsworn and has shown himself untrustworthy, his men might be bothered. On the other hand, if Locke is a template for the rest of his men, they're not so great either.
Also, Locke cut off Jaime's hand because he was pissed that High Lords always get what they want. Don't think it had much to do with badmouthing the cause.
Another interesting question. It might mean inter-House war in the North, but on the other hand, if the bulk of the army is indeed slaughtered, it might just be that no one will be able to stand up to Bolton at this point. Especially if he's got Lannister backing.
She didn't give a shit when Cat came to visit, just wanted to keep to herself. If anything, I think she locks things down even further.
Maybe he cries a little over her picture one night. The next day he's right back to climbing the ladder that her death helps build for him. I think that if you think he'll throw away any of the power he's gained on vengeance, you've misjudged his character.
Morrigan Stark
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There's also Dorne. King's Landing is part of the crownlands, not a separate Kingdom. And the Riverlands (Riverrun) weren't a kingdom back when there were 7 kingdoms, the lands belonged to the Iron Islands, but house Tully is still a Great House, so I guess there's 8 Great House and 7 (former) kingdoms: North, Iron Islands/Riverlands (now separate entities), the Vale, Lannisterland, Tyrelland, Stannisland and Dorne.
lol @ Stannisland
It sounds pretty cool actually. Stannisland! Stannisland!I've been doing the same thing
Season 3 is a LOT better in binge mode.I'm still on #TeamStannis and #TeamVarys though.
There's also Dorne. King's Landing is part of the crownlands, not a separate Kingdom. And the Riverlands (Riverrun) weren't a kingdom back when there were 7 kingdoms, the lands belonged to the Iron Islands, but house Tully is still a Great House, so I guess there's 8 Great House and 7 (former) kingdoms: North, Iron Islands/Riverlands (now separate entities), the Vale, Lannisterland, Tyrelland, Stannisland and Dorne.
lol @ Stannisland
Ahhh, ok! Thanks for the clarification.
The Kingdom of the North - Ruled by the Starks from their seat at Winterfell
The Kingdom of the Rock - Ruled by the Lannisters from their seat at Casterly Rock.
The Kingdom of the Stormlands - ruled by the Baratheons from their seat at Storm's End.
The Kingdom of Dorne - Ruled by the Martells (breifly mention where mycella has gone)
The Kingdom of the Isles and Rivers- Tully who rule it from their seat at Riverrun.
The Kingdom of the Reach - Tyrells who rule it from their seat at Highgarden as the Wardens of the South.
The Kingdom of Mountain and Vale - Ruled by the Arryns,
The Kingdom of the Rock - Ruled by the Lannisters from their seat at Casterly Rock.
The Kingdom of the Stormlands - ruled by the Baratheons from their seat at Storm's End.
The Kingdom of Dorne - Ruled by the Martells (breifly mention where mycella has gone)
The Kingdom of the Isles and Rivers- Tully who rule it from their seat at Riverrun.
The Kingdom of the Reach - Tyrells who rule it from their seat at Highgarden as the Wardens of the South.
The Kingdom of Mountain and Vale - Ruled by the Arryns,
robotzombie
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I think Stannisland is technically Storm's End or something like that? I guess the Island (Dragonstone?) that Stannis is on is part of that area?
I think Storm's End is the capital and the kingdom is called the Stormlands.
I think Dragonstone is part of the Crownlands, since it sits at the entrance to Blackwater Bay and isn't that close to the Stormlands.
Morrigan Stark
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Correct. So unfortunately, Stannisland for the Stormlands would be a misnomer since he doesn't live there. But I still like how it sounds.
Just because Bolton is now their liege doesn't necessarily mean that all the other Northern houses will follow, but most of the houses have already had important people killed during the RW and it might not be worth further blood shed.
Stannis is in a weak position right now, lol at siding with the Greyjoys, but Dany would be an attractive option if she eventually makes it back.
Storm's End used to be Renly's and is the traditional house seat for the Baratheons, so it would make sense for Stannis to be the lord there now.
Steelyuhas
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One correction above. The Tullys weren't kings when Westeros was seven separate kingdoms.
And I'm pretty sure there was another head kingdom in the Riverlands at that time.
And also the Tyrells and Baratheons were never kings.
edit: Yeah the ironmen ruled the riverlands during Aegon's landing
The God of Light did tell Stannis that there is trouble brewing in the north, so I think that whatever the God of Light is, he or she is not a fan of the White Walkers.
GenocidalMarshmallow
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@IAmtheFMan: Well, she was hot...
Thanks guys this really clears up some things that were confusing me!
Cyan I agree that they might show a massacre next episode now that I think about it. In the preview
I'm not a book reader but speculating based on the episode 10 preview
Also, does anyone know the numbers of men for the armies of the War of Five Kings? Most of Robb's army is dead or will die next episode so that leaves the Lannisters, the Tyrells, King's Landing, The Ironborn who have enough men to raid the North and Stannis the Mannis. The only one whose numbers are confirmed are Dany's 8,000 unsullied and 2,000 second sons sellswords.
How many men did Stannis have before Blackwater Bay and how many does he have now. I know Stannis had some and then got more when he killed Renly who had over 100,000 but the Tyrells didn't go to Stannis. Now it seems like Stannis has very few men left, he had some drag him back when it was hopeless and obvious the battle was lost.
Maybe the Umbers and the Karstarks and the other Northern houses can challenge the oath breaking traitor Bolton. The Karstarks are pissed their Karstark Leigelord was killed I'm sure but the King of the North they pledged fealty to was betrayed and i don't think they'd want to follow someone like that. They might have enough honor to challenge Bolton for slaughtering their kin.
Also the Umbers are still loyal to the Starks which is why Rickon was sent there by Bran and when the North finds out they're alive no way they'll follow that slimy Bolton, I hope!
Thanks guys this really clears up some things that were confusing me!
Cyan I agree that they might show a massacre next episode now that I think about it. In the preview
It shows Stark Banners burning and Tyrion says the North will never forget! So maybe the Stark banners are burned after the bulk of the army is slaughtered
I'm not a book reader but speculating based on the episode 10 preview
We breifly see Theon in pain and Yara his sister. So maybe, I REALLY hope, Yara will come and rescue him from his captor and then Theon and Yara can torture or kill sick fuck for revenge after he tells them everything he knows. Ironborn ftw! Fuck Balon though!
Also, does anyone know the numbers of men for the armies of the War of Five Kings? Most of Robb's army is dead or will die next episode so that leaves the Lannisters, the Tyrells, King's Landing, The Ironborn who have enough men to raid the North and Stannis the Mannis. The only one whose numbers are confirmed are Dany's 8,000 unsullied and 2,000 second sons sellswords.
How many men did Stannis have before Blackwater Bay and how many does he have now. I know Stannis had some and then got more when he killed Renly who had over 100,000 but the Tyrells didn't go to Stannis. Now it seems like Stannis has very few men left, he had some drag him back when it was hopeless and obvious the battle was lost.
Maybe the Umbers and the Karstarks and the other Northern houses can challenge the oath breaking traitor Bolton. The Karstarks are pissed their Karstark Leigelord was killed I'm sure but the King of the North they pledged fealty to was betrayed and i don't think they'd want to follow someone like that. They might have enough honor to challenge Bolton for slaughtering their kin.
Also the Umbers are still loyal to the Starks which is why Rickon was sent there by Bran and when the North finds out they're alive no way they'll follow that slimy Bolton, I hope!
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