ThoseDeafMutes
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He'll start along down the path to redemption then get stabbed to death by Joffrey, who gathers all the dragon balls and is granted eternal life.
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He'll start along down the path to redemption then get stabbed to death by Joffrey, who gathers all the dragon balls and is granted eternal life.
Nameless
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As much as I like Stannis, my prayers to the One True God are for the reign of the Red Queen, whether he sits beside her or not. #TeamMelisandre.
Sooner later, though, it's only fair the Targaryans should reclaim what's rightfully there's. But I don't officially include Dany in the Game until she reaches Westeros, if she ever does.
Sooner later, though, it's only fair the Targaryans should reclaim what's rightfully there's. But I don't officially include Dany in the Game until she reaches Westeros, if she ever does.
Funky Papa
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Just because she's hot doesn't mean she's right.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
This is also likely.
And given the show's mortality rate, this too.
soundscream
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Littile head always beats big head.
lastplayed
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Well it does help...
Who knows, Stannis might become the Constantine of Westeros, converting all to the one true god... or not.
Nameless
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But she is right; her God is real.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Something is real, doesn't mean it's a god or that her interpretation of what it is or what it wants is correct.
But nobody knows it was the lannisters right? It will just seem like old Walder Frey is loonie with an appetite for revenge.
Me and my boyfriend think the Lord of Light business is a sham.
We believe there is someone powerful out there, but not a god.
If anyone is familiar with the Redwall series (RIP Brian Jacques), there's a 'god' called Malkariss, who loads of animals worship, but it turns out he's just an old, old animal who cowers away.
We believe there is some sort of sorcerer orchestrating these events behind the scenes, that could be interpreted as a god's intervention.
We believe there is someone powerful out there, but not a god.
If anyone is familiar with the Redwall series (RIP Brian Jacques), there's a 'god' called Malkariss, who loads of animals worship, but it turns out he's just an old, old animal who cowers away.
We believe there is some sort of sorcerer orchestrating these events behind the scenes, that could be interpreted as a god's intervention.
ThoseDeafMutes
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My money is on demon of some sort. Idk if they have "demons" per se, but you know what I mean. There's definitely some supernatural shit behind the scenes.
Hours Left
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Well yeah we have seen gianst and such, and a couple of wacky ghosts. None of it really aims to something we can put our foot on.
hah
That was my guess. They call him the god of light, but really it's the god of fire. Light makes him sound good. Arya's right, though. Only death is real!
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I take the Red God as some force that does exist, but the religious element is just an interpretation of it, one not necessarily incorrect. It, like the old gods, are a mystical force that some recognise, others do not, yet nobody seems to fully understand. Melisandre gets on her high horse a bit, but then she's meet with characters like Thoros and Beric, who contest per perception of what the Red God wants. She's baffled at Thoros having the ability to resurrect Beric, and is shot down by Beric when she comments on "the other side" of death, and he notes there was nothing. She has in her head this idea of the Red God and what he/she/it wants, but she's really just throwing shit against the wall like everybody else.
"I've said the words, damn you."
That's all the Lord of Light's 'miracles' have been. Words. Incantations. It's just as likely to be run of the mill sorcery as the whims of an ethereal being. It seems like characters have labelled Mel a witch as often as a priestess, so they're probably getting the same vibe.
They may not be as flashy, but the Seven have weeping face trees which is pretty legit.
That's all the Lord of Light's 'miracles' have been. Words. Incantations. It's just as likely to be run of the mill sorcery as the whims of an ethereal being. It seems like characters have labelled Mel a witch as often as a priestess, so they're probably getting the same vibe.
They may not be as flashy, but the Seven have weeping face trees which is pretty legit.
curlyfriski
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That's the Old Gods, not the Seven.
I agree. They're all trying to make sense of the Lord of Light but each person's view of "it" is different to a certain extent but everything is attributed to "it" which might contradict another person's faith. Melisandre acts like she knows all about her god and is the supreme authority on its religion, but then gets that information from Beric which goes against what she believes her god wants, does, can do, or is all about really. They're all trying to understand the Lord of Light but each in their own ways and trying to piece if all together is impossible. Melisandre might think she's the high authority on her religion, but she has just as many questions as everyone else and only knows what powers she's able to do and nothing else. Like you said, she's just throwing shit against the wall too! The powers are very much real as we've seen, but their religion around it is the mystery and differs from person to person. For all we know, it could be some old dude playing a role-playing board game based on Westeros.
It mirrors the old days of religion in our world and the oral traditions that carried on those religions but were warped over time due to each person's individual beliefs or wants making each person's version of their gods different than the others and the overall views of those gods get more and more distorted over time like a game of telephone. Much like any religion today even where many people might identify themselves as a follower of this or that religion, but they have their own individual interpretations of their holy books or what is right or wrong to them.
Yep re-watching season 2 and the warlock who captures Daenerys and tells her 'When your Dragons where born our Magic was born again.'
Throw in Thoros only recently re-discovering his power and Melisandre only showing up in season 2 and it makes me wonder whether the Lord of Light is just another brand of dodgy (but powerful) magic dressed up as a way to try and control people.
ThoseDeafMutes
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White walkers started moving in S1, didn't they? Like, before the first ep?
My guess is that there is some background factor causing magic stuff to reappear.
Magic meteor!
True or at least something setting in motion the chains of events for the return of magic. If The Lord of Light is an actual God though I'd be really surprised.
i think the god of light is the demon that created white walkers, just a guess.
Bubblicious
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Has this version of Rains of Castamere been posted yet?
Sounds a bit Josh-Grobinish but better than the official one which sounds like a country song!
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Sounds a bit Josh-Grobinish but better than the official one which sounds like a country song!
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Chuck Norris
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I think they are keeping it vague for the sake of the kid's ageing
I know Jaime mentioned in early season three that he had been in captivity for at least a year.
Thoros was sent to Westeros along time ago though with the goal of converting the king. Seems like hes done heaps of crazy shit and survived too.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I just noticed that Bran is starting to look like a young Bill Maher.
What is seen cannot be unseen.
He said himself he didn't even believe in the Lord of Light by the time he got to Westeros though and just put on a show with the fancy robes. It's was only when he accidentally resurrected Beric that he truly believed in whatever power was out there.
wastewater
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Speaking of Gods, i've been wondering if the ball of light wreathed in..whatever at the start of the intro represents anything. It's up in the sky looking down on the world whilst the camera pans to all the relevant places in the story, a God?
Damon Bennet
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I think that's just a stylized sun
I agree. They're all trying to make sense of the Lord of Light but each person's view of "it" is different to a certain extent but everything is attributed to "it" which might contradict another person's faith. Melisandre acts like she knows all about her god and is the supreme authority on its religion, but then gets that information from Beric which goes against what she believes her god wants, does, can do, or is all about really. They're all trying to understand the Lord of Light but each in their own ways and trying to piece if all together is impossible. Melisandre might think she's the high authority on her religion, but she has just as many questions as everyone else and only knows what powers she's able to do and nothing else. Like you said, she's just throwing shit against the wall too! The powers are very much real as we've seen, but their religion around it is the mystery and differs from person to person. For all we know, it could be some old dude playing a role-playing board game based on Westeros.
It mirrors the old days of religion in our world and the oral traditions that carried on those religions but were warped over time due to each person's individual beliefs or wants making each person's version of their gods different than the others and the overall views of those gods get more and more distorted over time like a game of telephone. Much like any religion today even where many people might identify themselves as a follower of this or that religion, but they have their own individual interpretations of their holy books or what is right or wrong to them.
This also brings into question how the old gods the Stark's pray to are coincidence or direct intervention.
Are the Direwolves for each child a coincidence?
Is someone south of the wall with the ability to warg a coincidence?
Is the implication of the destruction of the tree shines in the southern kingdoms leading to a lower influence of that god mean it's protection has limits or never existent in the first place?
Mister_Bubbles
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Hoverhand from the heir of Winterfell? Disappointing!
wastewater
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Yeah that was my first thought, probably nothing.
RukusProvider
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That sounds amazingly stupid.
The song is very ominous and the slowness of it just feeds into that feeling perfectly.
If that was playing during the red wedding part, it wouldn't have nearly the impact as the slow/normal version.
Frank the Great
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what if it has to due with the ominous comet? remember everyone thought it had some significance and then everyone brushed it off as foreshadowing ned's death (? or something else, i don't remember). what if it had to do with the lord of light. what if he's a comet-riding alien! i have the worst theories.
i feel like the lord of light shit that has to do with the return of magic. magic ceased to exist for hundreds of years, and now all of a sudden that the dragons are back, the dude in qarth is able to teleport and do all kinds of crazy shit and people are resurrecting and whatever. the dude said that his powers were enhanced when he was close to the dragons, which is why he wanted to lock them up for himself.
of course, that begs the question . . . what if the return of magic is what caused the dragon eggs to hatch.
Silent_Bomber
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Also, if Theon hadn't sacked Winterfell then the Bolton's and Lannisters would've after the red wedding, and Bran and Rickon would've been horribly murdered.
Instead the two are safe, as Theon convinced everyone they're dead.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Except the Boltons now know they are alive thanks to Theon's greasy torturer.
They can switch the actor for Rickon if he gets too old, but they can't switch Bran and Arya now.
It's stupid that they didn't take into account how fast kids grow between 12-17 years old.
Bran already sounds so different in just a season. I imagine he'll have beard stubble next season.
I know there are time and budgetary constraints, but they really should have tried to film as much of the kids stories first, even in the off season. Half of Arya and Bran's scenes are just random forest shots anyways.
It's stupid that they didn't take into account how fast kids grow between 12-17 years old.
Bran already sounds so different in just a season. I imagine he'll have beard stubble next season.
I know there are time and budgetary constraints, but they really should have tried to film as much of the kids stories first, even in the off season. Half of Arya and Bran's scenes are just random forest shots anyways.
That's kinda hard to determine.
Sansa said she was 14, so she has only aged up a year, but Jaime was captive for about a year, and it was about a year from the beginning of the story up until Dany's dragons hatched. And then Dany said "A year ago I had no dragons" or something like that.
So I'd say Sansa is probably just about 15, and nearly 2 years have passed.
It's been described in the DVD commentaries as being an Astrolabe. The one thing I always wondered about is the fact that the world seems to be completely inverted, in that the astrolabe is right in the center and the land is wrapped around it. Seems to just be purely creative on the part of the creators of the introduction sequence and nothing more.
If you're interested here's a feature about the making of the show introduction.
wastewater
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Ah i see, i haven't read the books and i thought if the Gods are real and are orchestrating things then that seemingly irrelevant thing could turn into something significant, in true GoT fashion.
Thanks for this i'll watch it now
Victory Red
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I know the books don't exist in this thread, I just want to say that I was intimidated to start reading the books due to their size and all the lore involved but I just went and bought book 3 and I've been reading it for the past day and its awesome. He writes really well, its an easy read, and have the wiki up while you read will help also.
So yeah, if you are intimidated to start reading the books, don't be. They are a nice, easy read.
So yeah, if you are intimidated to start reading the books, don't be. They are a nice, easy read.
My mom just finished watching S2 and she already told me 'That Robb doesn't seem to be too honorable breaking the wows, I bet it'll come back to bite him in the ass big time'. It was hard not to show off any obvious reaction to that.
She also likes Ros and thinks she'll be a good spy
She also likes Ros and thinks she'll be a good spy
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