bgassassin
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What resolution do you think I'm making the comment based on?
Do you like what you've seen so far from Wii U's visuals?
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What resolution do you think I'm making the comment based on?
I thought Xenoblade worked out better than Twilight Princess. Mario Galaxy as well.
Projectjustice
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You said it isnt comparable to next-gen. Deadrising 3 is next gen game. Stop moving the goalpost.
I just watched that Infamous video, i agree with Bgassassin. It doesnt blow X away dude. Stop exaggerating. lol
Barack Lesnar
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I don't care what your comment was referring to, I wasn't talking to you directly, just to anyone reading to "click the gear to watch in 1080p".
And you chose one of the weaker looking next-gen games. That's not moving goal posts. DR3 isn't even made by Capcom.
PdotMichael
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Well, I'm not saying that X is a bad looking game or something. It looks pretty good imo and it would be something I would buy it if the Wii U would have more such games - the WiiU is already barely more expensive than the PS3 Super Slim here.
But we don't need to act that X is a title that close the gap between current gen and next gen.
tkscz
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Never gamed on a PC I see.
Projectjustice
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DR3 is a Xbone next gen title. You said X doesnt compared to anything next gen. X looks better than DR3.
Goalpost is being moved.
vagabondarts
Member
I love how they look. Mario Kart 8 is the standout for me
I don't think anyone with eyeballs expects WiiU to output graphics that match PS4, but they look good to me.
I don't think anyone with eyeballs expects WiiU to output graphics that match PS4, but they look good to me.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Not as good as current gen so no. It is slightly better than last gen though, but last gen does not look good either.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Wait, DR3 is made by Capcom Vancouver. That's a shame then, it looks only a little better than current gen save for the # of zombies on screen.
Exclusively for the past 4 years @ 1080p.
"That video looks great but it's not comparable to most of the next-gen games we've seen."
No goalposts being moved.
Exclusively for the past 4 years @ 1080p.
"That video looks great but it's not comparable to most of the next-gen games we've seen."
No goalposts being moved.
bgassassin
Member
Considering you were agreeing with Pdot's post, you should care. I think Infamous is clearly better than X, but does it destroy X? To me it does not.
Oh no I'm not saying you said that. I was just focusing on the aliasing comment.
POWERSPHERE
Member
Mario Kart looks incredible. Smooth, solid and as good as it needs to look. Excited to see it in full res playing on a nice tv.
I think you're right. On the other hand there comes a point when technology is good enough to make games with great art remain always pleasing to the eye. Rayman Legends will be attractive for years. So will this Mario Kart, and most Nintendo games who rely on colorful primitive textures. Wii U seems to be able to render more than a handful of games in 60fps/1080p, which is good enough to remain relevant in terms of appeal. Before this E3 I wasn't sure of that.
Barack Lesnar
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At 1080p that video destroys X. Look at the geometry... it's a fully detailed city in an open-world. Look at X, it's flat, empty plains. Compare the lighting, the textures, the animation, the particles, the physics, the destruction. Cool looking mechs transforming and it being a JRPG doesn't render those comparisons invalid.
Projectjustice
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Its comparable to other next gen games besides DR3. Second Son, WatchDogs, to name a few others.
Are you under the impression that a building and a big hill in technical terms are completely different? That detail is just the textures looking different.
X looks way better than FFXII Gran Pulse or White Knight Chronicles...
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Yes
OH...MY...I MUST HAVE THIS!
So? Some can't enjoy X because there's better elsewhere?
Otherwise, to my mind, it's enough. Slightly better than PS360 with next-gen effects, so in between two gens, that's what I'm expecting from Wii U.
Closest comparison would be F1 Race Stars. Caroony art style and runs at 60 fps on consoles.
MK8 kills it
What about Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed? I think you should try to find screenshots of that game to compare. But I also think that both Sonic Racing and F1 Racing Stars were coded for a multi-platform release and I think that also makes a difference.
Barack Lesnar
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I'm not that tech savvy and even I know that's not true, at all. Look up what geometry is. Second Son has a fully, densely packed cityscape with far more geometry and art assets being used than the empty flat plains of X.
Nowhere does it say or imply that people shouldn't enjoy X because there's better elsewhere. How did you get that from my post? We're just talking about graphics, not fun factor.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Get the fuck outta here. X looks good but it is in no way comparable to infamous, watch dogs, or AC IV. The division might be open world as well.
metalslimer
Member
I still disagree on Donkey Kong. That game still looks the same (or maybe worse) than DKC on Dolphin. It looks like they don't have a full team working on it (or maybe my wishful thinking).
I have to say though I do wonder how Monolith is getting millions of dollars to expand and create a game like X while Retro's last game outsold Xenoblade by a factor of 10 and get much less.
I have to say though I do wonder how Monolith is getting millions of dollars to expand and create a game like X while Retro's last game outsold Xenoblade by a factor of 10 and get much less.
Yeah, I know. Maybe you prefer "are pleased by what they see" instead of "enjoy".
Projectjustice
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Infamous has low polygon structures in its environment and jaggies. ACIV is a cross gen game. Watchdogs does look good as well as The Division but I said comparable, not better.
X looks better than DR3.
I'm hoping Retro's second team is working on a Wii U game.
I still don't believe it took them 3 years of development time to finish DKC2, especially the people they hired.
bgassassin
Member
Like I said I think the difference is clear so I'm not saying those comparison are invalid. I do think it's subjective as I don't think "destroy" is an accurate description of the gap. I also don't think you're reading what I'm saying. My original point was that the aliasing comparison was not fair, but you agreed with Pdot. Unless you didn't really read what he said either.
I would like to see more of the city environments as well since what we've seen of X mostly focuses on where the action primarily takes place.
In the end we're also only half of the discussion. What should be done also IMO is apply the "CliffyB test". Take non-gamers and let them see if there is any real difference.
revolverjgw
Member
Sure, there's enough power for the kind of games I want on Wii U. Nothing technically impressive or surprising, but games like W101, Mario, MK and DKCR look as good as they need to. Though I was kind if hoping for Retro to make a technical showpiece that could really wow me like Prime did.
Barack Lesnar
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That AC4 demonstration from yesterday when it froze on them looked fully next-gen and quite a bit better looking than X. This is the PS4 version I'm talking about, not 360/PS3/U. Watch that footage again, especially the forest part where he's crouching through the foliage, looked unbelievable.
Here it is, the link should start at 2 minutes in: http://youtu.be/Kzpzbsuytkc?t=2m5s <-- And that's a 720p Youtube video when the game runs at 1080p. Just look at the lighting and insane level of detail in the environment. Compare that to X. Where do you see lighting like that in X?
The Witcher 3 is another game that looks a gen ahead of X and it's open-world as well. I dunno why people are forgetting that.
Here it is, the link should start at 2 minutes in: http://youtu.be/Kzpzbsuytkc?t=2m5s <-- And that's a 720p Youtube video when the game runs at 1080p. Just look at the lighting and insane level of detail in the environment. Compare that to X. Where do you see lighting like that in X?
The Witcher 3 is another game that looks a gen ahead of X and it's open-world as well. I dunno why people are forgetting that.
Sgt.McTigerbuns
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I think most of the games look great. Perhaps better than I expected. So glad that mk 8 isn't just an upresed mk 7. Just hope they all end being as great to play as they look.
Sonic Racing isn't 60 fps.
The lighting in MK clearly sets it apart from Sonic ASRT. And MK runs at 60fps.
DeuceGamer
Member
I also recommend this. In fact, I was disappointed in the Direct until watching it (along with Dev Videos) on the eShop. Part of it was I missed entire games in the horrible quality of the Live Direct.
The games look amazing in motion on the Wii U eShop. After watching the Bayonetta 2 video on the eShop I have to say it looks a decent bit better than what I remember Bayonetta looking like on 360...may be selective memory and all that. I'd love to see some comparisons.
Edit: To be fair, I think it's natural that a sequel (referring to Bayonetta) look a little better and it may be selective memory. I do think what we've seen does look like top of the line PS360 titles with a little extra (like higher/better framerates, IQ, textures, effects, etc....). It's not a huge difference and the titles for PS4/Xbone looked a step beyond what Wii U had to offer clearly. Still, if Wii U titles continue to progress (no reason to think they've maxed it out) we should see titles that are clearly superior to PS360 (not like PS/Xbone obviously though).
Angel Whispers
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You haven't included DKC: Tropical Freeze there. My answer is that I find all of it very impressive.
The visuals in mario kart were great , the lighting look more advanced then 360/ps3, but the tracks seemed a little lackluster.
B2 looks the same as the first one to me.
X looks very good too.
IF the WiiU can get major 3rd party releases, like fifa,madden call of duty and GTA I think it will do very well indeed.
B2 looks the same as the first one to me.
X looks very good too.
IF the WiiU can get major 3rd party releases, like fifa,madden call of duty and GTA I think it will do very well indeed.
WhiskeyKnight
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Why is Mario dressed up like a furry?
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I mean, it's all looked pretty nice for all I expect from a system that hardware-wise is somewhere between what we have now and what we'll have in 6 months.
Art style and art direction matter, and from a system that I expect more of a gameplay focus from, I can deal.
Art style and art direction matter, and from a system that I expect more of a gameplay focus from, I can deal.
Calamari41
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If the Wii U's graphics aren't good enough for you, especially in the case of games like X and Mario Kart, then there's no way in hell the XBone and PS4 graphics will be good enough for you compared to PC.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
How does that make any sense when the best looking PC games out are 360/PS3 console ports?
Calamari41
41 > 38
And they look significantly better, just like the eventual PS4/Bone ports will look significantly better. I'm sorry, I think I'm not understanding your point.
lightchris
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Technically the games look just like I expected (imo): Comparable level of detail as in current gen with a few enhancements thanks to the more modern GPU architecture.
Yes, I was pleased by what Nintendo showed. I looked at all the games shown by Nintendo, Sony, MS, 3d parties and to all of them I said "these games look awesome".
I feel like we are at a graphics plateau. Not that technology can't or won't improve. It certainly will. But everything looks good enough right now that most people will just say that looks awesome and move on. Whether a game appeals to you in asthetics, genre, gameplay, setting, multiplayer, etc, will be far more important going forward IMHO.
I feel like we are at a graphics plateau. Not that technology can't or won't improve. It certainly will. But everything looks good enough right now that most people will just say that looks awesome and move on. Whether a game appeals to you in asthetics, genre, gameplay, setting, multiplayer, etc, will be far more important going forward IMHO.