Supermanisdead
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I'll cut Sakurai!
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS: Info Collection - Dojo, Mega Man and Trailer! 2014!
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I'll cut Sakurai!
DICKS AHOY
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Personally I think it was due to Mega Man easily eclipsing the inclusion of Pac-Man, which probably would've ticked off Namco somewhat.
I'll imagine we'll have another, smaller Smash-event/Direct sometime before the year's up (or even sooner considering these trailers are already made) where Pac-Man along with Mac, Mii and hopefully a few more veterans like Yoshi and Falcon will show up without having Mega's huge revival stealing their thunder. Unless Dojo comes back in full-swing we'll probably have another big character bonanza at E3 2014 to tide people over until the game releases and we can see who's unlockable.
I'd prefer Snake but I actually hadn't thought about Advance Wars before. While I doubt it since both of those series seem fairly dead (especially AW), I wouldn't mind seeing somebody like Andy getting in. Technically that series dates all the way back to Famicon Wars in the 80's, right?
Needs more focus on character balancing this time. Also known as: I want to play using link and not get destroyed because hes a terrible character.
Seriously though the most balanced game was the first one. I'm all for new characters, but please make all of them playable.
Seriously though the most balanced game was the first one. I'm all for new characters, but please make all of them playable.
I think the series still deserves a rep though
more so because it's going to be revived on the 3DS
And yeah, it does go back to FW as far as I'm aware.
Freezie KO
Banned
Don't say that.Ike was such a fun character in Brawl. Ideally, they would keep Ike, and replace Marth with "Marth".
I liked playing as Ike. It was fun using his extremely powerful moves.
I just don't see them getting rid of Marth. Marth will be there as the series veteran, first game and all that. In addition to Marth, Smash will then always include the latest Fire Emblem's protagonist. Maybe we'll get someone else from Awakening because of the nature of the game.
Yea I'm expecting Sonic and Megaman only for the 3rd party reps. Sakurai said around brawl-time he didn't wanna go overboard with 3rd party members and it's the same this E3.
Megaman is the 'exception'.
Sonic is most likely in because of Sega and Nintendo's unprecedented partnership (3-game exclusive deal).
Snake really won't be coming back. Mark my words. Sad yes, but if he's back I will be completely surprised. He's not relevant to Nintendo. People argue 'but ugly, he was hardly relevant when Brawl came out either!' Those people are right, but the circumstances were different then. Kojima 'practically begged' to have Snake in Melee and he was put in Brawl as a favour and some kind of sign of good-will or something. Since Brawl, Snake's only contact with Nintendo has been a port of a PS2 game. Really I don't see the favour carrying over to this iteration. If Nintendo had gotten an original Metal Gear game, or hey, anything on Wii or Wii U, then he'd have a better chance. Snake's moveset can be given to someone else and edited - or some of his moves can be dispersed into new characters' sets. That, or he can just be completely dropped. That's my two cents. He was great in Brawl and really they put a lot of work into making him fanservice-y as possible. He was great and his style of play was very unique. But it is just not in Nintendo's best interest to keep him in.
There is a bigger picture here. Nintendo is not in a great position in terms of interest. MGSV is coming out for PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I don't know brefbvjikovervner
OMG PLEASE CAN IT BE SAMI WHO GETS TO HAVE SNAKE'S MOVESET
Megaman is the 'exception'.
Sonic is most likely in because of Sega and Nintendo's unprecedented partnership (3-game exclusive deal).
Snake really won't be coming back. Mark my words. Sad yes, but if he's back I will be completely surprised. He's not relevant to Nintendo. People argue 'but ugly, he was hardly relevant when Brawl came out either!' Those people are right, but the circumstances were different then. Kojima 'practically begged' to have Snake in Melee and he was put in Brawl as a favour and some kind of sign of good-will or something. Since Brawl, Snake's only contact with Nintendo has been a port of a PS2 game. Really I don't see the favour carrying over to this iteration. If Nintendo had gotten an original Metal Gear game, or hey, anything on Wii or Wii U, then he'd have a better chance. Snake's moveset can be given to someone else and edited - or some of his moves can be dispersed into new characters' sets. That, or he can just be completely dropped. That's my two cents. He was great in Brawl and really they put a lot of work into making him fanservice-y as possible. He was great and his style of play was very unique. But it is just not in Nintendo's best interest to keep him in.
There is a bigger picture here. Nintendo is not in a great position in terms of interest. MGSV is coming out for PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One. I don't know brefbvjikovervner
OMG PLEASE CAN IT BE SAMI WHO GETS TO HAVE SNAKE'S MOVESET
???
Monado Eater, Monado Purge, Monado Cyclone, Monado Shield and Monado Armor can be used offensively / supportively, and would totally fit in smash. You're seriously going to dismiss a bunch of moves because their "side effects would not translate?" Smash is completely about bending the rules, it's absurd to imply otherwise (notice how Ness' PSI Magnet doesn't even work like that in the actual game). Hell i'm sure he could get Monado Enchant and Monado Speed to work if he really wanted too.
If Sakurai were to seriously consider Shulk, i'm positive he'd adopt a less strict mindset.
Freezie KO
Banned
Hey, don't let anybody call you... oh.
Poltergust
Member
Darn it, I was about to make that joke. =<
Karsticles
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What would Monado Purge do?
Monado Eater would be a sword attack that adds a DoT - whoopie.
Monado Shield and Armor could be combined into one move, but it wouldn't be interesting to add damage reduction.
Monado Cyclone would be interesting.
That's it, though. It's not a good attack set.
It doesn't matter anyway, since Shulk isn't getting in. He was in a one-time game. X is not a Xenoblade sequel.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
what if kiefer sutherland's kid really wants solid snake in smash bros. for the wii u though
A Link to the Past
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I'm personally rooting for Lucina or Chrom + Avatar. I'm actually super hyped for the idea of Lucina. I don't want to just put a character in only because she's a girl, but I think she could be a super-speedy character and be fun to play.
Freezie KO
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It's ok, I'm used to it now
In the Smash Bros. Thread, everyone's beautiful. Except Ridley. He's too fat.
peaceiscloser
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Yeah, Sakurai's team will definitely be able to come up with *anything* for Smash.
I also just realized the inspiration for some of Marth's moveset -- mostly abilities he doesn't even have himself in his own game
Shield Breaker (B) - Luna
Dancing Blade (Side-B) - Astra
I also just realized the inspiration for some of Marth's moveset -- mostly abilities he doesn't even have himself in his own game
Shield Breaker (B) - Luna
Dancing Blade (Side-B) - Astra
That'll actually be kinda disappointing, none of those characters are exciting. Snake, Sonic and Mega Man bring cool stages, items and music with them, with pac man we'll get a load of boring shit.
Where's my square enix character. ;_;
Pennies & Nickels
Banned
I really hope Pacman is not in this game.
Remeber Blazing Sword comes before Sealed Sword as well.
Preferably with these weapons
That's badass, is it a parody of something or original?
I just think that it has to happen since... Namco Bandai is one who are co-working with Sora Sakurai on SSB 3DS/WiiU project.I really hope Pacman is not in this game.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Mii I agree with, but Pac-Man could have a fairly interesting moveset and stage even if the character himself is fairly mundane, while Little Mac is long overdue and deserving.
I would love to see a Dragon Quest character in. But knowing SE, they would probably try to convince Sakurai to including fuckin' Lightning in the roster, ugh
(and thankfully that can't happen lol)Pennies & Nickels
Banned
This I agree with. They should have this guy egg him on from the background, Pokemon Trainer style.
I would love to see a Dragon Quest character in. But knowing SE, they would probably try to convince Sakurai to including fuckin' Lightning in the roster, ugh
While I love Dragon Quest, I don't think any Dragon Quest character would make a good Smash Bros fighter.
TBH, if any Square Enix character would make a good SSB fighter, I think it would be Lightning. The way she moves in the games (the original game, at least) + her moveset would be really fitting in the SSB universe, unfortunately she doesn't have much of a presence on Nintendo systems (even less than Snake), so it's highly unlikely, if they were to choose an SE character.
How can you possibly say that about me when you've never even seen me! I get you're trying to be nice, but you haven't even seen my collision box
ugly through and throughI really hope Pacman is not in this game.
You and me both, kid. Get it, I'm calling you kid cuz you're a junior.
I've been a member for like a week, we're homies secretly
Then Kiefer Sutherland's child quietly goes missing and his father stays silent if he wants to keep his job.
If they were to choose a final fantasy character, I'd hope it would be someone like an NES-style black mage or white mage, anything else would be pointless if you ask me.
I guess that means you were the Brawl rooster. RIP in peace.
Decided to refine my original roster guess a bit going off how I feel the roster's shaping up now we've gotten a proper look at the game. Doubt it'd be 100% correct, but after finally getting some time to play a decent amount into FE:Awakening I honestly do just see Sakurai replacing Ike with Chrom (I'd love to be wrong), appeasing people who want Mewtwo back by using his new X/Y form to also represent the new games, some sort of new Mario character (just mentally replace that empty space under Bowser with whoever) and resurrecting his axed Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik* idea to tie into WWHD and save a bit on development time (assuming anything had been started on them in Brawl). I'm a bit torn on whether Snake will stay, but ultimately due to his popularity in Brawl and the issue of having a completely original moveset being cut from Brawl to SSB4 with nobody to replace it with I'm siding with him making the jump to SSB4. Goroh's inclusion is complete wish-fulfillment but damn it F-Zero deserves a 2nd rep at this point.
*Still reckon this was supposed to be Tetra
May as well cross out Ridley, Samurai Goroh, Pac-Man, King K. Rool, Mii Snake and Shulk.
Ridley is too large in any and all of its forms to be a Smash character.
Captain Falcon as a character was already a stretch to represent F-Zero, so... Goroh is a no.
Pac-Man is likely not a priority, Namco characters are not being granted special treatment.
King K. Rool is a Rare character, they retained the rights to him when they left Nintendo.
Snake was a one-off as a favor to Kojima. My guess is that Nintendo (and by extension, Sakurai) would rather devote time to characters that the fanbase would actually care more about, like... oh, say, Mega Man and Sonic, among other possibilities.
Shulk is the only one I'm a little shaky on, but it seems like he'd be a weak choice and would possibly come at the expense of the 2nd Fire Emblem character.
These are both wrong.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
it's like you went out of your way to be wrong about every point you made besides Falcon.
Smash constantly dicks around with character sizes; Olimar's meant to be the size of a quarter and Bowser's been as large as buildings as recently as the NSMB and Galaxy games. Pac-man and Mii have already been strongly hinted as already being in the game as discussed earlier on this page. Rare own's jack shit over DK and K. Rool's been in tons of game's since the buyout. Snake co-existed with Sonic in Brawl, not sure why you think his inclusion would prevent somebody already in the game and somebody he co-starred alongside int he previous one. Absolutely no clue what relevance Shulk has one way or another to an FE rep.
like seriously what
Professor Beef
Banned
The Cycle will never die.
Franchuzas87
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I think we only need three third party characters: Mega Man, Sonic and Pac-Man.
Less is disappointing, more is saturation.
Less is disappointing, more is saturation.
Do you think the team behind the new Dojo site are careful enough to block some of the locations: http://www.smashbros.com/us/images/character/wii_fit_trainer/ for example, what if we replace wii_fit_trainer to king_k_rool (doesn't work), but just as an example.
I have tried a few, but some a different for example Bowsers character image locations are under 'koopa'.
The answer is probably no, unless someone can think of a crazy new character like wii_fit_trainer and might give it a try, they are probably uploading the data as they release it to public.
I have tried a few, but some a different for example Bowsers character image locations are under 'koopa'.
The answer is probably no, unless someone can think of a crazy new character like wii_fit_trainer and might give it a try, they are probably uploading the data as they release it to public.
DICKS AHOY
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This isn't Capcom we're talking about here.
Still find it hilarious how Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3's entire roster got leaked within the first few hours of its site going live. 101 website design and all that.
Kick sonic out and put Bayonetta in. Does she still count as third party ?
ChosenPredator
Banned
I rather have sonic in feels more fitting for him to be there
Franchuzas87
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I like Bayonetta, but I think it would fit in Smash less than Wii Fit Trainer.
(pun not intended)
RawkHawk2010
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I still dunno why people want Pac-Man.
He's sooooooo boring.
He's sooooooo boring.
Olimar's size is only relative to the objects and creatures around him in his own games and does not pose a problem of scale, as the only reference to size and scale within his own series is the Pikmin stage itself. Bowser has fluctuated in size to be as large as a castle and as small as he is in Smash within the Mario continuity and therefore doesn't bring a size/scale issue into things. Ridley has always been at least 10 times the size of Samus with the exception of the original NES Metroid, which was retconned in Zero Mission. So as a problem of scale, since there is a character from the same series present, Ridley would be required to shrink and would pose a severe problem of scale. I can guarantee 100% that Ridley is not on the Smash roster, I'd put an entire paycheque down on the odds being in my favor on this.
Where was this Mii and Pac-Man "leak" you speak of? I see mention of it without substantiation, and a lot of posters disputing it.
K. Rool, I'll concede my false point, thought he was part of the IP and characters created by Rare package that MS got at the acquisition. Strange he wasn't in DKCR or the newest one, though, like Nintendo is trying to write him out of existence.
3rd-party inclusions, as has been said by Sakurai, take a LOT of work to make sure everyone is happy. It's time and money better spent on other things. Especially when they could use that time with Konami to negotiate a character that the fan base would have more exposure to, like... oh, I dunno, a certain whip-wielding vampire hunter?
The relevance to Shulk's inclusion as related to a FE character is the same reason Ike will be out this time: limiting sword-wielding characters or characters with similar move sets. The only one on the roster who gets a pass on having a similar move set anymore is Luigi. Why? Because HE'S FUCKING LUIGI, that's why, not to mention that even he doesn't play exactly the same.
Not sure what "fanbase" you are refering to. Snake being in Brawl was quite a megaton back in the day and everyone, Nintendo and Smash fans absolutely included, went wild. He's not a lesser wanted characer by any means.
I don't think he'll return, though. Snake in Brawl made sense, since it hasn't been too long ago that Nintendo and Konami worked together on Twin Snakes, but Snake has been a comlete no-shows on Nintendo plattforms since then. The only exception is the horrible MGS3 port, which was made redundant by the announcement of the HD Collection...
I absolutely agree with that, though. I think Shulk has a low chance simply because of his fight style. There are already quite a few sword fighter in Smash and I'm not sure if there's place for another one.
In terms of Xenoblade characters, I think the heropon is more likely.
He was in one of the Mario Baseball games. I think it may have been the Wii version. I also think they used Kremlings in Mario Strikers on Wii but I can't remember 100%
I really hope for a stage. Bionis and Mechonis have the potential to make for one of the most amazing Smash stages ever.
Looking at this gif Cold Train Game Freak posted, Mario does the Forward A mid-air Knuckle Smack very close to the ground and it fully is done before he lands. I think this might have less floaty gameplay and be more similar to Melee.
I do notice the levels are huger than Melee, though.
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L-Dashing didn't return? Boo!
Razgriz-Specter
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Well they might just have something more to your liking.
Dion Blaster
Member
Klonoa would be much more interesting
Yeah, Pac Man is just a ball with arms and legs and doesn't have any powers besides eating things. They didn't even let him fight himself without operating a robot in Street Fighter X Tekken.
Looking back, though, I'm glad that box art Mega Man was in that game and no Mega Man in Marvel because Mega Man in Smash is like 103,594,392,493,205,493,049x better.
Looking back, though, I'm glad that box art Mega Man was in that game and no Mega Man in Marvel because Mega Man in Smash is like 103,594,392,493,205,493,049x better.
I really hope Little Mac stays out. I get that people have some kind of unfounded nostalgia for him but he's just this standard boxing human. What are his moves gonna be? Neutral A? Punch? Sure. Forward A? Hard punch? Yeah sure. 5 minutes later Down B? Punch? AGAINN?? COME ON MAN
And look at that guy's Wii redesign. Just, so average. Ugh. I'd honestly rather take Mii integration.
I'd stoop that low.
I'd rather have my shitty Mii, with his shitty, Mario Kart Wii PAL version voice, and his shitty face than Little Mac.
OH MY GOD WHAT RIVETING DESIGN
Seriously fuck this guy. I'd sooner welcome tripping than this little asshole. What relevance does he even have to anything let alone Nintendo? Look at the sales for Punch-Out Wii. 300k? 350? No one cares about this guy. Pacman has more god damn charisma than Little Mac. Pacman is a circle with a mouth.
And besides, what kind of image does Nintendo want to set for a game that should be enjoyed by all ages? Little Mac is a NES era boxer. You know what kind of friends he has?
Yea. I'd think twice Sakurai before you put this guy in your game or believe you me, you are going to have some very angry letters coming your way.
And look at that guy's Wii redesign. Just, so average. Ugh. I'd honestly rather take Mii integration.
I'd stoop that low.
I'd rather have my shitty Mii, with his shitty, Mario Kart Wii PAL version voice, and his shitty face than Little Mac.
OH MY GOD WHAT RIVETING DESIGN
Seriously fuck this guy. I'd sooner welcome tripping than this little asshole. What relevance does he even have to anything let alone Nintendo? Look at the sales for Punch-Out Wii. 300k? 350? No one cares about this guy. Pacman has more god damn charisma than Little Mac. Pacman is a circle with a mouth.
And besides, what kind of image does Nintendo want to set for a game that should be enjoyed by all ages? Little Mac is a NES era boxer. You know what kind of friends he has?
Yea. I'd think twice Sakurai before you put this guy in your game or believe you me, you are going to have some very angry letters coming your way.
