Tyrone_Biggums
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Yep, if only it played and looked as well as Driveclub. Now THAT'S a next gen game. I mean, have you seen it?
TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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Yep, if only it played and looked as well as Driveclub. Now THAT'S a next gen game. I mean, have you seen it?
Tyrone_Biggums
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I bet you typed this from an iPhone or iPad.
Which side does a Macbook Air with Windows 7 VM put me on?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=65154131&postcount=1401
Was easily missed, but that's his most recent one from 6/20.
I don't think you know what you're arguing anymore.
Tyrone_Biggums
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It makes your comments about "customer friendly" policy and arguments over "proprietary" standards mute.
Tyrone_Biggums
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I'm surprised you didn't actually refute the comment. No really, I am.
1. Everything I posted was TRUTHFACT on Sony/MS console accessories and policies.
2. Please tell me which proprietary standard does a Macbook Air use? Mini-Displayport? USB? SD Card? 3.5" jack? Only thing is the power adapter, but almost every notebook uses their own AC adapter anyways.
Iacobellis
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Gemüsepizza;65579586 said:
Pretty much. MSR on the Dreamcast had weather effects and different times of day.
Driveclub is going for dynamic real time lighting, night, and possibly weather, something we haven't seen much of in a racing game. It looked rough at e3 but they still have lots of time to polish.
Forza has the same bad pre baked lighting engine that doesn't allow for night, no weather, and a 60fps look that comes at the possible expense of 30fps reflections and mirrors, which are plagued with popup. At a glance it's impressive, until you see the engine and sacrifices they're making to hit launch.
Two different games, both with different goals, each impressive in their own right yet disappointing in others, mainly because we're only seeing e3 code. I hope evolution can up e frame rate and turn 10 can update their reflections and lighting engine.
Edit: and now you're ignoring my post, hah.
Tyrone_Biggums
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You expect an open environment like PC's for Apple to have their very own proprietary connectors for every single thing? What? They like going bankrupt from lack of sales?
If defending your comments about your favorite console leads you to defending Apple
about consumer rights in the process, well, I'm not sure we can take this any further.
Gemüsepizza
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Yes, that's true, I will correct this in my original posting. They would have to make multiple versions of a track for different light situations. But I'm not sure if that is feasible, and news articles said there won't be any night tracks. I guess weather effect implementation depends on how much power they have left for them.
zomgbbqftw
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Well that confirms it for me then. #TeamCBoaT
MS tried to charge a fee for GFWL and now they're trying to get Office to a subscription model. All in the name of profits.
Apple hardware is expensive, but at least it's good quality and materials. And they don't charge an iCloud subscription fee to watch Netflix on their devices.
So MS is even worse then Apple, who are no saints themselves.
The crazy thing about the ESRAM issue is that it all originated in Microsoft's vision of making a console that wants to be an optimal entertainment hub, not just a gaming device. I dont think that many people would have blamed them for general technical difficulties or inferior specs per se.
Why would Phil spencer necessarily know about yields anyway? Isn't he off working on software and browsing thread less.com?
And it is impossible to prove he is lying anyway. What does 'we don't have a problem with yields' mean anyway?
They could have 1% yields but have accepted them and taken the hit on cost and lowered production. Doesn't mean they have a 'problem' just that they have adjusted their targets. Plenty of room to back up whatever they want to say
And it is impossible to prove he is lying anyway. What does 'we don't have a problem with yields' mean anyway?
They could have 1% yields but have accepted them and taken the hit on cost and lowered production. Doesn't mean they have a 'problem' just that they have adjusted their targets. Plenty of room to back up whatever they want to say
Tallshortman
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Very good point. If Sony ship huge numbers compared to MS, and/or MS ship a lot less than with 360, they will need to report something. And if true, they will probably admit low yields impacted them 'but we have measures in place blah blah' - not so bad retrospectively, you just don't want it before launch.
Err... Apple absolutely would charge a subscription fee to watch Netflix, it's just that Netflix do the sensible thing and get around it by breaking subscription signup on Apple devices.
What does buying a Macbook Air have anything to do with not being customer friendly?
Not really. Over a decade with macbooks has told me something else. All my macbooks have broken down in one or more ways and they are running hotter than hell. They are expensive pieces of shit in a delicious design on my opinion. I have a unibody mbp now and i had to disable the external graphic chip to make it not sound like an airplane taking off. Not to mention how os upgrades makes the macbooks slower and slower when it should go the other way, like MS' s OSes tend to do.
And now that windows laptops like the new samsungs and acers are coming with nice sleek design, and not the least big glass-like accurate trackpads, i see no point in buying apple laptop anymore.
Hmm Did i digress..?
But how cool would that be?
In my experience, any laptop with a discrete GPU runs hot as hell. Apple cannot defy the laws of physics, and that's why I don't buy laptops with extra GPU's. They're just extra cost, heat, and problems, really. I only had two Apple laptops, a Macbook Pro unibody and the Air I use now, and they're great.
This has not been true in my experience.
End result = you can watch Netflix on Apple devices without an extra subscription fee. Can you do that on the Xbox? NO
Tyrone_Biggums
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Salty? That right?
What the shit? First, you say those supporting cboat are mad fanboys, now you say that "In other words, it looks amazing" - that is not to say "despite that, it'll still look amazing", which is a way of defending the way it look, despite its lacking in obvious technical steps we've made several years ago. No, it is saying that, because it is not doing rendering techniques which have made racing games look fantastic during the last 10 years, it'll look amazing.
That's an absolutely absurd statement. It is nothing but being apologetic, and that is coming from someone who seems to despise fanboyism. It is as if you'd wish people didn't listen to cboat by trying to discredit what he says and what those who defend him say.
It's quite frankly quite ugly.
Never mind. You're not worth my time.
Tyrone_Biggums
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Watching Netflix without a paywall is one hell of an argument. I think that pretty much shuts this whole deal down man ...
Tallshortman
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That's right.
You are disputing facts by using nothing but sassy remarks and general displeasantness. I'd say this is unbecoming of any decent human beings, but seeing as how you seem to thrive on this, is seems that you just weren't there the day they had polite-lessons in school. However, it does seem that you were maldiagnosed with something requiring the "mocking everyone saying something in opposition to yourself"-medication, and when you got that prescription, you just went and emptied the entire pharmacy for it, didn't you?
Tyrone_Biggums
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The game looks fantastic, and that's been verified by pretty much everyone who saw it in person at E3. Now, if you don't like the game or it use of assets, that's fine. But saying it's not a good launch title isn't a fact, it's an opinion.
My opinion that the game looks fantastic is backed by multitudes of folks who've seen the game in person.
And I don't expect to have HDR in hardly any launch title, especially one running at 1080/60 on brand new hardware without likely final devkits. Most games on PC that use HDR run like piss unless you sacrifice in other areas. That's MY experience with such techniques.
But keep on telling me how I'm being impractical or impartial or whatever while beating your anti-MSFT drum. And we can go back to where this conversation started, which is you on one end and me the other.
Good. Since your misguided opinions about Apple were a poor attempt at misdirection in the first place.
It's a HUGE argument, and it's in ADDITION to all the other stuff MS does limiting accessories. Even Apple allows bluetooth devices to be connected, MS does not.
Tyrone_Biggums
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This might be the only accurate thing you've written in this thread.
Gemüsepizza
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What? How do you get to this conclusion?
Isn't that the point that's being made though?
As Eurogamer said, you can have 1080p/60FPS with nice graphics or 1080p/30FPS with nicer graphics.
Media services not being behind a paywall is pretty major, yes.
Aaand he's gone! Farewell Tyrone_Biggums, we hardly knew ye.
Maybe that's been your experience but if it is it's the exception, not just in my experience but in every job I've held that uses Macs & PC's.
Windows OS updates and upgrades have generally been a fucking mess. Bloated and problematic
Mac OS updates have decreased the install footprint (particularly snow leopard iirc) and have been much more stable overall.
Phawx
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Sony was the king of proprietary hell. The Vita says hello. Also paying for gold on microsoft now gives you dedicated multiplayer servers whereas PS+ does not. PS+ is still an awesome rental service though. But don't fool yourself, Sony only introduced PS+ because MS was mopping them up. Unless you think going from 150 million consoles to 75million consoles is a success?
Oh and don't get my started on the PS2. Want to play 4-player? Buy a multitap. Want to save your game? Buy a memory card. Want to go online? Buy a modem.
Xbox one's proprietary wireless signal and kinect means you don't even need to turn on your controller or assign the correct player to it. And you can add an additional hard drive to it, though it's only external drives through USB 3.0. It's not as integrated as the PS4 sure, but for the vast majority of end users that don't know what the hell a SATA hard drive is, plugging in USB is dirt simple.
Shall I list Apple's fault as well? How bout when they shipped Macbooks with 802.11n in them but locked them behind a paid driver. Or they tried shoving the (admittedly better) firewire on everyone and eventually realized they lost to USB. Or how about facetime? Remember when Steve Jobs said it would be an open standard? What ever happened with that? Or how about Apple's old and continued practice of form over function. Such as placing a hard drive right next to a speaker that would cause the machine to crash any time a loud sound was played? Or how bout cramming hot parts into ever smaller and smaller compartments with very little ventilation which leads to machines failing in three years? I suppose it doesn't matter when they shame their customers when the next big thing comes out.
TL;DR Apple, Sony, MS are not your friends. Anytime anyone of them gains dominance they will shove proprietary crap down your throat.
BibiMaghoo
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Has there been any confirmation at all, that these 300,000 servers are actually physical blades? And not virtual?
That would be hilarious if they are not.
That would be hilarious if they are not.
FacelessSamurai
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I don't think the paywall is a major concern anymore next gen, considering that both PS4 and Xbone will become pretty useless (at least for me) without either PS+ or Xbox Live. Don't want to start arguing here, I just think that a lot of people who get a PS4 will most likely get a PS+ subscription now.
Is it a benefit to not have it behind a pay wall? Of course it is! But is it a major one, considering pretty much everything can do netflix now? I don't think so.
Phawx
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The only confirmation we got at all was the PR fact sheet that was given to all MS people for E3.
The benefits of the cloud offer scalability. 300k today could be a million in a year or two. I think referencing that quote is a better metric.
Awesome.
It is major depending on how you use your console. I'm not getting PS+ as I don't play multiplayer for anything except FPS, and for that I can just move to PC. Having the multimedia features work as they did on the PS3 without the paywall is great since I'll be using the PS4 much like I do my PS3 as the centerpiece of my multimedia room setup. A great many 360 players don't play MP online, and I'm sure the same is true for PS3 - going forward, it's nice to at least have media services without an extra paywall barrier - that's a pretty big deal.
BibiMaghoo
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Hmm, what does 'equivalent' mean in this context though? That still may not mean many physical servers at all. We need clarification on this I think, because it means the difference between a PR bullshit line and it being an actual valuable, useable benefit of the system.
Phawx
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Any service that is external to MS or Sony is frankly BS if it's behind a paywall. I get where you're coming from and I'll be in the same camp but that doesn't mean I don't think the practice of doing so is crap. It's just the principle of it.
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