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If I was him I would have been buffing up in case I was sent to prison. He could have had a good trainer, when/if he's in prison he will be limited in where he can work out safely.
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George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty
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If I was him I would have been buffing up in case I was sent to prison. He could have had a good trainer, when/if he's in prison he will be limited in where he can work out safely.
Big Baybee
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So looking at the placement of Trayvon's body, how was Zim getting his head bashed on concrete? No blood was found on that concrete either.....
Arrowgigantic
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Yeah, I gotta wonder if Zimmerman slipped and fell a couple times somewhere much further away when he started stalking Trayvon, and if his "fight wounds" were from that, and his own clumsiness is what made him mad enough to kill, not anything that Trayvon did.
soundscream
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The stream is decent so far today.
vas_a_morir
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Which teenage witness? As far as I know, the only one I know of is Trayvon's phone-friend. She hasn't taken the stand yet, has she?
soundscream
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That was an emotional 911 call.
Snowden's Secret
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I don't follow this super closely but was listening to a recap yesterday on the radio. A guest (a judge) said that the 911 audio could have been the definitive evidence if they could have proven who was yelling for help.
Conceptually, how could that have been Zimmerman? You here screams for help, immediately followed by the gunshot. Zimmerman had the gun, why is he calling for back up? Additionally, it goes scream-scream-gunshot pretty rapidly, so Zimmerman would have been calling for help while shooting/preparing to shoot Martin?
What's the defense's theory on this?
Conceptually, how could that have been Zimmerman? You here screams for help, immediately followed by the gunshot. Zimmerman had the gun, why is he calling for back up? Additionally, it goes scream-scream-gunshot pretty rapidly, so Zimmerman would have been calling for help while shooting/preparing to shoot Martin?
What's the defense's theory on this?
GrandHarrier
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Prosecution's case is very weak so far.
BattleMonkey
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Because you got a gun you don't call for help?
Folks have shown many times even while armed great fear and would be on the phone calling for help while armed or shooting.
Snowden's Secret
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That's not what I'm saying. From the audio, it's screams for help basically as Martin is being shot. It's not Zimmerman calling for help, no help arrives, then he decides to use his weapon. The screams are happening at the same time as the weapon is being used. And the screams stop after the gunshot. Which one of the two lost the ability to scream after the gunshot? If it were Zimmerman, wouldn't he still be calling for help after shooting Martin, either to tend to his own injuries or Martin's?
If two guys are fighting, which one is more likely to scream for help, the one with a gun or the one with a gun pointed at him?
The Abominable Snowman
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Wait.... The witness said the person who was on top was walking toward the window and didnt look like they were hurt AFTER the gunshots.
methane47
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Yeah i love how they cut to Zimmerman looking uncomfortable at that exact moment lol
Definitely. There is nothing pointing to a murder 2 charge.
A lot of (misinformed) people are going to be upset because they don't understand the case. If I have to hear one more person tell me the police told Zimmerman not to follow...
DragonSworne
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Wow, Zimmerman doesn't stand a chance of getting out of this one. These first few days have been brutal.
What part of "We don't need you to do that" is a 28 year old man not supposed to understand?
I see people saying both... would love lawyer GAF to let us know what they think.
The Abominable Snowman
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According to Witness: Dominant badgering voice in argument - Zimmerman, Softer more defensive voice - Martin.
I think its more relevant to the case that the main thing being preached in Neighborhood Watch is that they told members to never approach, follow, or engage a suspect, just call the nonemergency number and report what you can see from your current vantage point.
He, and it was nonemergency not 911. He said "ok" but there were audible movements and footsteps afterwards, and I must remind you this was after the Neighborhood Watch 'training' and prior consultation with police telling members to never follow or act
I think its more relevant to the case that the main thing being preached in Neighborhood Watch is that they told members to never approach, follow, or engage a suspect, just call the nonemergency number and report what you can see from your current vantage point.
He, and it was nonemergency not 911. He said "ok" but there were audible movements and footsteps afterwards, and I must remind you this was after the Neighborhood Watch 'training' and prior consultation with police telling members to never follow or act
At what point are you not able to distinguish who is a police officer and who is a 911 operator?
And what did Zimmerman say after she said that, by the way?
I'm getting pretty much the opposite impression from some lawyers in the field
Defense is doing their best to seed doubts on the witnesses statements, so Zimmerman's narrative is the only one left standing.
Honestly I could not be a good witness. If someone asked me if I was testifying on what I saw or what I thought I saw, I would have some very well chosen words for the lawyer.
Honestly I could not be a good witness. If someone asked me if I was testifying on what I saw or what I thought I saw, I would have some very well chosen words for the lawyer.
Dude Abides
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911 dispatcher was a he, not a she. If I have to hear one more person tell me something something.
Unfortunately I've been doing hearings of my own the last two days so I haven't caught much of the recent testimony.
My typo is clearly the same thing as equating a police officer to a call operator. Nice job.
Snowden's Secret
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I'm confused. I think I might be missing something?
Regardless of whom he was speaking to, he was advised not to follow, correct? And still did anyway?
Dude Abides
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Yeah, mistaking a man for a woman is clearly a minor mistake compared to mixing up 911 and police.
Yes, he was asked if he was following Martin by the 911 operator and when he said yes the operator said they did not need him to follow. The operator explained that he could not give a direct order to the caller to stop because then the department becomes liable for whatever happens as a consequence.
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That.. is pretty damning IMO
Wow, are some of these witnesses new? I don't think we had heard about them previously.
vas_a_morir
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Question: Is there any recording of Trayvon's normal speaking voice at 17 years of age? I would like to know if his pitch was higher or lower than Zim's.
He was told to stop following by someone with no authority yes, and said "ok". And his version of the story says he was attacked while walking back to his car, not while following. Regardless, following someone doesn't give Martin the right to physically attack Zimmerman.
I didn't mistake a man for a woman. I accidentally typed she instead of he. Not that it's relevant.
The Abominable Snowman
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Is anyone watching now?
The lady on the stand says the physique of the person on top during the struggle was Zimmerman before the shot
Thats the THIRD witness who 'saw' Zimmerman BTW
The lady on the stand says the physique of the person on top during the struggle was Zimmerman before the shot
Thats the THIRD witness who 'saw' Zimmerman BTW
Nice, the more holes poked in Zimmerman's story, the better.
The prosecution must have some damn good evidence if they decided to go for more than manslaughter. I will celebrate when Zimmerman is locked up.
BronsonLee
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... Wat
vas_a_morir
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He had a broken nose, didn't he? To me, unless they are trying to say he injured himself after the fight, how he walked after it was done shouldn't matter.
The Abominable Snowman
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Prosecution looks... good. I'm still scared in my gut that he won't get what's coming.
Three witnesses have completely contradicted the Defense.
Three witnesses have completely contradicted the Defense.
Snowden's Secret
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Well, that brings up my other question: how can Zimmerman claim self defense without also giving Martin the self defense argument? If Zimmerman is claiming self defense, that automatically means Martin was acting in self defense, especially if Zimmerman was following him through a dark neighborhood.
Basically, Zimmerman can't claim he was self-defending himself from Martin without also admitting that Martin would have been self-defending himself from Zimmerman first, making Zimmerman the aggressor. You can't start a fight and then kill the other person and claim it was self defense.
What's the defense's argument on that?
Future PhaZe
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Were these guys not wearing different colored clothing or something? I know it was raining but damn.
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His version of the story doesn't make sense considering where his call was made, and where Trayvon was killed.
It's called a typo. I didn't hear the tape and go "THAT'S A WOMAN!"
Christ almighty.
The defense says Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon, then stopped his car and got off to check an address to better point the police to the place, and then was ambushed by Martin who was hiding.
Uh, what? You can't physically assault someone in "self defense" because they might be following you.
You can claim self defense if someone is punching you in the face, hitting your head against concrete, and you feel your life is in danger.
The witness said the guy on top got up and walked away after the gun shot. Zimmerman said he was on bottom getting his ass beat when he shot Trayvon...
Future PhaZe
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Was the witness cross-examined? That's pretty damning.
The Abominable Snowman
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No DNA on sidewalk, dirt on clothing indicating struggle in grass, several feet from curb, which was several feet from car. 3 witnesses pointed to Zimmerman having the upper hand at least one point in fight. It didn't happen on concrete. That much is clear, at least.
Would you be watching the case? or are you going off of older information or what?
This is incorrect, although obviously someone just following you isn't sufficient. Following someone when combined with other circumstances can amount to the conclusion that the person had reasonable belief of an unlawful threat. You do not have to wait for the other person to strike first or even necessarily see a weapon. If someone is following you in dark, you can definitely reasonably feel threatened. That alone may be insufficient, but self-defense is always determined on a case by case basis, so to suggest that you can't use self-defense against someone who is following you is incorrect or misleading.
The witness said the guy on top got up and walked away after the gun shot. Zimmerman said he was on bottom getting his ass beat when he shot Trayvon...
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