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George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty
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vas_a_morir
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They took Zim to the station from the scene and questioned him, I thought?
Just let it slide. Exponential derailment!!!! lol
Devolution
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I should have been more specific. Questioned him as a perp rather than a victim.
If she added two new bits of evidence at the trial suddenly then it is she is not credible at all she could have made up more things. That's what the defense is trying to show. The prosecutors have had two witnesses do this now doesn't look that great for them. IMO anyway.
vas_a_morir
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Gotcha.
This was Zim's dumbest move. Never talk to police, because the stuff they asked him as a 'victim' is being used as the meat of the case against him for murder. LAWYER UP, and never talk to police, people!
Big Baybee
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Not gonna lie, I'm having a hard time following this chick.
She might not have known she even should. Unless she knew Zimmerman had a gun, which does not seem to be the case, how would she know the confrontation would escalate to Martin's death.
Her whole testimony is kind of painful to listen to she is pretty nervous and they are talking about her friend who was killed so I can understand it's hard for her. But her lisp or whatever it is along with slang makes it even worse.
GrandHarrier
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If one feels that one is innocent they are more likely to talk straight up. One shouldn't have anything to hide in that situation. Whether he is guilty or innocent, he'd want to appear so, regardless and so is going to cooperate.
Xenon
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I guess this is how they bring in all their victims.
We all know the police fucked up here. But that's no reason to make shit up.
Ignatz Mouse
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When it is know that somebody killed somebody, the onus is then on them to establish self-defense.
So calling Zimmerman a killer is completely warranted until his defense came exonerate him.
So calling Zimmerman a killer is completely warranted until his defense came exonerate him.
polyh3dron
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I can understand that feeling. I didn't go to my brother in law's sister's wake back when I was 16 (she was 19), because I didn't want to remember her that way. I hated that I went to my cousin's wake when he was killed when I was 20, but I did to be there for my family. I really regret it, though.
Why she lied, though? I don't know. Maybe she was somewhere that she didn't want her parents to know about. Teenagers lie to get out of trouble, I guess.
So much this. But I can't even understand half the stuff she's saying.
Devolution
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I guess this is how they bring in all their victims.
We all no the police fucked up here. But that's no reason to make shit up.
I'm not making bullshit up since they obviously bought his story and didn't probe further. That's kind of the whole point.
Actually, the onus is on prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Nice try though.
vas_a_morir
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Yep. And it was DUMB!!! After reading about the Norfolk 4, I'm never waiving my constitutional rights to speak with authorities ever. Besides, if the cops are talking to you, they already think you are suspicious.
I think she is coming across more laid back than even nervous. She is also being quite snippy with them with attitude every now and then, some times worse than others. If she was smart she would back right off of that no matter how frustrating this no doubt is for her.
Thanks for posting the link that would work on my iPhone btw!
I think basically what people are trying to say is that there are plenty of reasons why the girl wouldn't have wanted/known to call the police with the information. It could be anything from simple trepidation to misunderstanding/confusion.
Personally, the more I see her talk the more I feel like it was a bunch of reasons in one. She seems uncomfortable with talking to authoritative figures in general, she seems to have a poor understanding of how the system works, she seemed to have assumed that a fight wasn't a reason to call the cops and all in all was just out of the loop.
Personally, the more I see her talk the more I feel like it was a bunch of reasons in one. She seems uncomfortable with talking to authoritative figures in general, she seems to have a poor understanding of how the system works, she seemed to have assumed that a fight wasn't a reason to call the cops and all in all was just out of the loop.
Does not mean he is not a killer.
He did kill an unarmed teen without any provocation at all.
Both sides have onuses, I don't know why you are trying to discredit Ignatz statement.
Devolution
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He's a killer.
It's up to the defense to prove it was a killing in self-defense.
It's up to the prosecution to prove it wasn't and that he's a murderer as well.
Also, what could she have said? "Hi, I was on the phone with my friend who was out of town somewhere visiting his step-family and I heard a scuffle. I don't know anything else. Kthxbye."
Dude Abides
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She's getting pissed at defense counsel.
Xenon
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Er, we don't know that. That's kind of what this trial is about.
faceless007
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She didn't want to face Martin's parents and didn't want to get involved at all, knowing she was the last person to talk to him. She doesn't know much about the justice system and isn't predisposed to thinking of it as helpful. That's the reality for a lot of minorities, especially uneducated and in low-income communities. It's not hard to understand.
I'm not getting what the defense strategy here is, unless it's just trying to frustrate her. Prosecution is being oddly quiet and not trying to get her to stay on track.
I'm not getting what the defense strategy here is, unless it's just trying to frustrate her. Prosecution is being oddly quiet and not trying to get her to stay on track.
User 100115
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I personally think that since if he had just called the police and remained in his vehicle, no one would have died or been even been arrested (though, to be honest, Travon might have been for walking while black) he's kinda a fault here. Can you at least agree with that?
Oh wait, so you aren't assuming that Trayvon was innocent until proven guilty of attacking Zimmerman?
That sounds biased to me.
No, all the defense has to do is provide reasonable doubt that it wasn't murder. Sorry.
I think he should have done things differently. Based on the evidence, I don't believe he's a murderer.
Ignatz Mouse
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Right. There's no reasonable doubt that Zimmerman killed him. The default state is that it's unjustified. Look at some delf-defense cases.
Devolution
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He'll be a killer whether or not he's proven guilty of murder. But you just keep coming back to being unable to parse words.
calling the cops ended up with my neighbor threatening me with his rifle. They are not always great at their jerbs.
"Well who called you?"
"...the feller across the street."
"Tarnation!"
Plus she was in Miami, not Sanford. And even if she did call 911 (in Miami) and they asked her what happened and where, do you think she had the address or the name of the neighborhood? And even if she did, how long would it have taken for the dispatch to happen?
Probably part of their plan keep her talking see if she slips up? It's pretty annoying just watching it.
In this case it's up the prosecution to prove that Zim committed a non premeditated murder. The defense just needs to show reasonable doubt.
EDIT: Also, she keeps saying she lied about things and why. This doesn't go well for the prosecution as the jury might discard her testimony.
User 100115
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From everything you are posting, though, you are kinda picking and choosing what 'evidence' to believe, and completely throwing out testimony on the fact that the witness lying when you have NO evidence of that, ya know?
Van Owen's not even sure the police exist!
What the fuck does this even mean? Martin isn't a defendant in this case. If he was, he would be innocent until proven guilty, yes.
Yeah, but it's possible he'll be a free killer if the prosecution doesn't prove it was murder beyond a reasonable doubt.
Does that really matter? I mean if this were anyone you care about you do everything you can to help them. Your thought process right there is much deeper than anything this chick has going on she thought the real world worked like a TV show man your giving her to much credit.
Yeah, basically it's really really easy to understand why in her position she didn't call the cops.
Well her statement on the matter is pretty clear as well. As far as she was concerned it was just a fight. I don't want to make assumptions, but teens fight - and she might have seen a fight here or there in the past. It probably didn't end in people getting shot, so she wasn't worried or upset. Also, if she had never called the cops before in her life (I don't know if she has or hasn't) she might not even have considered it.
Basically - it's absolutely understandable. You might have acted differently in her position, but it's less about what you do and whether or not her statement makes sense.
What indisputable evidence do you have that Zimmerman's testimony is a lie?
vas_a_morir
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I can't understand her.
The Abominable Snowman
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Spring-Loaded
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...Okay.
Who said he's guilty? Who specifically is speaking as if he's guilty of murder?
Now, of those particular users/people you list, who's opinion on the matter has some effect on the outcome of this case?
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